[DEBATE] (DSM Kabuto)TRE MERCER vs Waltz(Killer bee).

[TRE MERCER]

Starting Distance: 50m
Intel: Full
Intent: To Kill
Mindset: OOC
Restrictions- Edo Tensei.
Conditions- Both are healthy
Location- Gaara vs Kimmimaro with no tree's around.

--TRE MERCER(I) will make the first post
--Each poster will get to post 3 times
--We need 3 judges

Judge 1- Varrah
Judge 2- Transcendence
Judge 3- Klaus​

 

[Lord Tywin]

This is debatable?

 

[KidGamer65]

This is debatable?

Actually it is.

 

[TRE MERCER]

This is debatable?

Yes it is dude.​

Actually it is.

I want you to judge this your one of the people who still thinks Hachibi can beat Manda II​

 

[Lord Tywin]

Yes it is dude.​

I want you to judge this your one of the people who still thinks Hachibi can beat Manda II​

I was going to say Manda2 solos, but ok.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nah, don't feel like judging.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I was going to say Manda2 solos, but ok.

Then your on the right track here.​

Nah, don't feel [like judging.

O alright.​

 

[solorflare99]

Killer bee got dis.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Good luck to both debators! Looking forward to this one

 

[TRE MERCER]

We got 3 judges i shall start my magnificent opener.​

 

[Lariatoo]

Good one. I personally personally put my money on Kabuto but lts see how the debate will go...
GL for both debaters!

 

[RustledJimmies]

Bijuu Dama GG L0l Manda 2 solos.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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Countering Killer bee in Cqc​

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Cqc basically means close combat fighting.

Countering base Bee in cqc- First of all i want to get right into the speed feats of both of these characters. Killer doing his famous 8 blade assault on Itachi and couldn't land not one blow. .(

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). Kabuto has shown speed feats greater than that of Itachi via dodging a Susanoo arrow. .(

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). Im aware that he used the rocks in his surrounding to aid him in this but it's still an impressive speed feat nonetheless. He also manage to effortlessly dodge an attack from Sasuke and he was easily able to strike Itachi down. .(

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). Plus he did in-fact blitz Itachi. .(

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). Kabuto quickly uses WR once Killer bee is blind Kabuto comes in for the quick kill he simply slices Bee in half like he did Itachi in scan 6. If Kabuto decides not to use WR and rushes Bee head on it still isn't a bad idea since he can beat Bee with 1 touch in multiple ways. Option 1 he can use Parasite Demon Demolition Technique which disassembles his body down to a cellular, and even to a proteinic level, and enters the enemy's flesh. This cruel technique gradually corrodes the inner bodily cells of those he merges with and kills the merging victom. This jutsu can hurt both users but Kabuto has Karin abilities and she was able to survive this. .(

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). So he should easily survive the affects of the merge while Killer bee doesn't also with that scan being shown Base bee literally has no way to put Kabuto down since we've seen how great Karin healing abilities work. His liquid body would mean physical attack won't work either. Yes im aware Killer bee has ration but

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which is why ration won't as affective against him. Option 2 with just minor touches he can obliterate Killer bee's organs and freeze his movements..(

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Countering V1 Bee in cqc.​

V1 Bee won't be a problem in cqc at all his speed is still very dodge-able seeing as 3tomeo Sasuke dodged it while in med-air. .(

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). Dodging his attacks won't be a problem but even if he couldn't dodge they'll be useless as all physical attacks are against the liquid body. .(

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) Plus while he's in his v1 state he doesn't utilize his ration either. So v1 Killer bee cannot harm Kabuto at all. He also is unable to counter WR so once he goes v1 Kabuto uses WR to immobilize him. Once Killer bee is unable to move he then uses Kidomaru's wed which is very durable. .(

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). Cutting it isn't going to happen here either plus Kabuto's webs are SM inhanced. Once Bee is done Kabuto proceed to use Jirobo chakra sucking dome. .(

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). Also while in the dome it's extremely hard concentrate chakra. .(

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). Once his cloak is sucked off he uses Kimmimaru and use Bone forest to impale his restricted body. .(

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). This same logic could be applied to v2 Bee as well. Brute force is bypassed via water body. He still doesn't have a counter for WR plus web combo. I also believe SM inhanced Kimmimaro bones can bypass v2 armor as well.​

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Countering Samehada​

Countering Samehada is the easiest thing about this debate honestly. Kabuto's aresenal consist on Senjutsu which Samehada hasn't shown it can control thus if absorbed Samehada gets the

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. either way would result in an end to Samehada so theirs no point of Bee even having it here since he can't fuse with it either.​

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Counting full Hachibi.​

Full Hachibi will be easy to counter contrary to belief plus there's even signs of Killer going into full Hachibi shown multiple times as his skin peels. .(

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). Bottom left panel. Once Full Hachibi comes out Manda 2 comes out. Regular Manda who Manda 2 outclasses confirmed by Kabuto himself. .(

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). regular Manda was able to tank c0 which dwarfs mountains. .(

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). Manda did in-fact tank c0 till the time it expanded. It was used around here. .(

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). Manda was used right then and there which how Sasuke survived also Suigetsu checks the Manda scroll here..(

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). This scroll shows just when Manda went poof and by that time the c0 explosion was/ did die down. Also Karin states that she can't feel Sasuke anymore which should be more proof that Manda and Sasuke recently went poof. .(

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). This should be more than enough to prove that Manda tanked c0 even though he did die his body was blown away or blown to shreds. .(

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). Once Hachibi tries to use his Bijuudama's Manda II escapes underground and Kabuto escapes underground via

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which allows the user to manipulate inorganic objects. Once underground Manda II proceeds to come from under Hachibi and completely restrict him. Manda II has shown enough strength to flip the Island turtle which is huge. .(

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). Hachibi will get wrapped up just like how Manda II shown

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Hachibi trying to restrain Manda II with it's tentacles is a joke via Manda II strength feats. Hachibi was also wrapped up neg dif by basic Mokuton. .(

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). Manda II would do this much easier. I also wan't to point out why the whirlwind is never happening while Manda is attached to Hachibi. Hachibi needs to move his body for whirlwind to be possible with Manda II wrapped around him that is never happening plus his tentacles aren't stopping Manda from getting his way either. Let's say Hachibi gets to fire off a Bijuudama. At the range he and Manda will be they'll both be caught in the aoe. Regular Manda tanked c0 i see no reason for Manda II not to be able to tank a standard Bijuudama with med-possibly heavy damage while regular

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after being hit with something on that magnitude.

Once Bee's wrapped up Kabuto proceed to use Bone forest which will rip right through Hachibi body from underground. Hachibi got his tail cut off by a Kunai from Minato. .(

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). Inb4 he body is more durable than his tentacles. His body was pierced by steel as well. .(

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). So Bone forest will definitely pierce him from the bottom and screw over his organs. Kabuto and Manda II combo that very possible if Kabuto fuses his cells with Manda II via Sakon which could possibly give Manda II water body just like it gave Kabuto

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. Once Killer reverts back to normal Manda II swallows him and then Kabuto poofs him away thus resulting in Bee's defeat.​

GG​

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[Waltz]

Methods

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As the stipulations of this match denote the knowledge between characters are full; that is, each character knows each ability of the other not only jutsu wise but their intelligence, strength, speed, strong and weak points as well. Given these factors, Kirabi will utilize this information to engage Kabuto cautiously enough to eradicate unforeseen circumstances which could only be due to a lack of intelligence and provide victory by presenting unavoidable situations. I will also like it to be made clear to the Judges that any course of action that has been prior attributed to my character in anyway does not take place or qualify.

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Formation and Strategy's.

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Kirabi begins by immediately entering a TBV1 Chakra cloak state and creates six

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which also assume the said state and the original then assumes his TBV2 State. The Sumi bunshin will then, in groups of 2's, surround Kabuto at a 3-4 meter radius from the target from both sides and his back parts and thus engage Kabuto strategically.

Strategy

Kabuto

• Each Sumi bunshin will wield eight Raiton powered Katanas with careful observation. If Kabuto performs any action during the process, two of the Sumi bunshin from opposite sides will immediately throw 4 high-speed raiton powered Katana's through his body. If there is a recurring reaction then another two Sumi bunshin will throw their Katana's through his body until he is forced to regenerate.
• The Original Kirabi will charge a Biju-Dama and simultaneously
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  his arms into the ground to grasp Kabuto's legs. While in the ground a
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  of arms will be created as a contingency.
• The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.
• If Manda II is summoned, Kabuto will be pierced by the Bunshin's Katana's. The original Kirabi will run directly to it and Manda II will, by instinct of it's defense mechanism as a snake, swallow him.
• Once inside Manda II and in contact with it's soft, fleshy insides; Kirabi will immediately charge a Biju Dama and roast his insides, causing major damage of major organs and body components that will either Kill Manda II or cause it to automatically reverse Summon.
• If White rage is used, the sound vibration and light will phenomenally weaker as it is being used out in the open. Since the Jutsu itself is not instantaneous, when it is released the Sumi Bunshin will be fully mobile and unaffected by the vibrations due to their physical composition of Ink. They will avoid direct eye contact with the blinding light. The original Kirabi will also be unaffected as
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  Subsequently; the original kirabi will, with a single arm, create a
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  to deflect the Jutsu completely.
  

Counters.​

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Option 1 he can use Parasite Demon Demolition Technique which disassembles his body down to a cellular, and even to a proteinic level, and enters the enemy's flesh. This cruel technique gradually corrodes the inner bodily cells of those he merges with and kills the merging victom. This jutsu can hurt both users but Kabuto has Karin abilities and she was able to survive this. .(7). So he should easily survive the affects of the merge while Killer bee doesn't

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V1 Bee won't be a problem in cqc at all his speed is still very dodge-able seeing as 3tomeo Sasuke dodged it while in med-air. .(9). Dodging his attacks won't be a problem but even if he couldn't dodge they'll be useless as all physical attacks are against the liquid body. .(10)-(11) Plus while he's in his v1 state he doesn't utilize his ration either. So v1 Killer bee cannot harm Kabuto at all. He also is unable to counter WR so once he goes v1 Kabuto uses WR to immobilize him. Once Killer bee is unable to move he then uses Kidomaru's wed which is very durable. .(12). Cutting it isn't going to happen here either plus Kabuto's webs are SM inhanced.

Possible on a Sumi Bunshin but not possible against all simultaneously nor on V2. A TBV2 claw strike > Enton Sword swipe = Raiton powered V1 Katana's > Kidomaru's web. ​

Once Bee is done Kabuto proceed to use Jirobo chakra sucking dome. .(13).

Doesn't constantly absorb enough chakra to affect Kirabi much less the Hachibi's chakra pool before he carves a way out with a Raiton Katana swipes, punches a hole in the Dome with the Hachibi's arm or walks through the Dome in TBV2. ​

Once his cloak is sucked off he uses Kimmimaru and use Bone forest to impale his restricted body. .(15). This same logic could be applied to v2 Bee as well. Brute force is bypassed via water body. He still doesn't have a counter for WR plus web combo. I also believe SM inhanced Kimmimaro bones can bypass v2 armor as well.

Kimmimaro's bones do not present more force than a Biju-Dama which did no damage to a TBV2 cloak. Countered the strike'd above. ​

Full Hachibi will be easy to counter contrary to belief plus there's even signs of Killer going into full Hachibi shown multiple times as his skin peels. .(16)-(17). Bottom left panel. Once Full Hachibi comes out Manda 2 comes out. Regular Manda who Manda 2 outclasses confirmed by Kabuto himself. .(18). regular Manda was able to tank c0 which dwarfs mountains. .(19). Manda did in-fact tank c0 till the time it expanded. It was used around here. .(20). Manda was used right then and there which how Sasuke survived also Suigetsu checks the Manda scroll here..(21). This scroll shows just when Manda went poof and by that time the c0 explosion was/ did die down. Also Karin states that she can't feel Sasuke anymore which should be more proof that Manda and Sasuke recently went poof. .(21). This should be more than enough to prove that Manda tanked c0 even though he did die his body was blown away or blown to shreds. .(22). Once Hachibi tries to use his Bijuudama's Manda II escapes underground and Kabuto escapes underground via Muki Tensei which allows the user to manipulate inorganic objects. Once underground Manda II proceeds to come from under Hachibi and completely restrict him. Manda II has shown enough strength to flip the Island turtle which is huge. .(23). Hachibi will get wrapped up just like how Manda II shown here Hachibi trying to restrain Manda II with it's tentacles is a joke via Manda II strength feats. Hachibi was also wrapped up neg dif by basic Mokuton. .(24). Manda II would do this much easier. I also wan't to point out why the whirlwind is never happening while Manda is attached to Hachibi. Hachibi needs to move his body for whirlwind to be possible with Manda II wrapped around him that is never happening plus his tentacles aren't stopping Manda from getting his way either. Let's say Hachibi gets to fire off a Bijuudama. At the range he and Manda will be they'll both be caught in the aoe.

Once Manda II begin's constricting; the Hachibi will charge a Biju-dama, hold it's mouth, open it and release the Biju-Dama inside it's mouth which will protrude through the lumbar and remove it's head. For referrence:

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When Kabuto emerges from the ground Kirabi will revert to TBV2 and engage him directly. There is nothing in his arsenal that can seriously affect Bee in this state. Kirabi will then revert back to the strategy to kill Kabuto. ​

 

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Countering formation Strat....​

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Formation and Strategy's.

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Kirabi begins by immediately entering a TBV1 Chakra cloak state and creates six

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which also assume the said state and the original then assumes his TBV2 State. The Sumi bunshin will then, in groups of 2's, surround Kabuto at a 3-4 meter radius from the target from both sides and his back parts and thus engage Kabuto strategically.​

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Hachibi cannot use Sumi clones unless he is in full Hachibi as shown here. .(

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). There is 0 evidence that any form less than full Hachibi can produce that much ink. BOLD- Pure speculation on 2parts' suggesting that 1 That a v2 cloak can produce ink clones. 2 That the ink clones can turn into v2 cloaks yet you fail to provide any evidence. Thus this strategy is useless and proven garbage.​

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Countering strategy for Kabuto...​

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Strategy

Kabuto

• Each Sumi bunshin will wield eight Raiton powered Katanas with careful observation. If Kabuto performs any action during the process, two of the Sumi bunshin from opposite sides will immediately throw 4 high-speed raiton powered Katana's through his body. If there is a recurring reaction then another two Sumi bunshin will throw their Katana's through his body until he is forced to regenerate.

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  I've already proven why this Sumi bushin arguments aren't going to work but for the sake of the argument ill explain why even if this was possible it would never work anyways. Kabuto uses Kimmimaro and once Kimmimaro out he replicates this on his own body. .(

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  ). Once they throw there blades Kabuto simple has to spin around and they'll all be deflected simple. If the others throw more the same thing happens Kabuto simple deflects them with the bones sticking out of his body.​
  
  

  [*]The Original Kirabi will charge a Biju-Dama and simultaneously

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  his arms into the ground to grasp Kabuto's legs. While in the ground a

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  of arms will be created as a contingency.
  [*] The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.

  If he turns into full Hachibi Kabuto simply summons Manda. If he tries to grab Kabuto legs with his chakra arm Kabuto slips right through via liquid body. The second hand is either dodged or it flies right through his body. Manda II gets in the way of the Bijuudama and tanks it for Kabuto.​
  
  

  [*] If Manda II is summoned, Kabuto will be pierced by the Bunshin's Katana's. The original Kirabi will run directly to it and Manda II will, by instinct of it's defense mechanism as a snake, swallow him.
  [*] Once inside Manda II and in contact with it's soft, fleshy insides; Kirabi will immediately charge a Biju Dama and roast his insides, causing major damage of major organs and body components that will either Kill Manda II or cause it to automatically reverse Summon.

  I already explained why that won't happen Kimmimaro bones covering his body deflects his incoming sword attacks thus Manda II is summoned with ease. Once Hachibi tries to engage Manda II he gets wrapped up and squashed to death. Swallowing him plus reverse summoning would result in BBR(Beyond Battlefield Restriction) Thus Killer bee would lose so your strategy here is garbage. There's the fact that Kabuto can fuse with Manda II thus giving him his abilities this would work perfect since it would be able to use water body and heal from deathing blows which Hachibi cannot even land/do here anyways.​

  [*] If White rage is used, the sound vibration and light will phenomenally weaker as it is being used out in the open. Since the Jutsu itself is not instantaneous, when it is released the Sumi Bunshin will be fully mobile and unaffected by the vibrations due to their physical composition of Ink. They will avoid direct eye contact with the blinding light. The original Kirabi will also be unaffected as

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  Subsequently; the original kirabi will, with a single arm, create a

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  to deflect the Jutsu completely.

  Used in the open or not why would the light be weaker? Fu

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  and it worked fine in the open so don't use the open area excuse. They might not be affected but the boss man/Killer bee will and since he's affected Manda II effortlessly plows through the sumi clones and gobble Bee right up. The scan doesn't prove your point at all and i would love to see v2 Bee pull of a shockwave when in-fact if he could wouldn't he have done so against Kisame? Yet he tried to rush him with a v2 which is composed of chakra instead of using this great shockwave that would have been perfect for offence against someone like Kisame.​

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  What does this scan prove? This scan was basically Hachibi letting us know his skin was melting. This doesn't disprove anything you've counted at all. So i ask you how does this scan disprove of Kabuto being able to merge there cells? It doesn't.​
  
  
  
  

  Possible on a Sumi Bunshin but not possible against all simultaneously nor on V2. A TBV2 claw strike > Enton Sword swipe = Raiton powered V1 Katana's > Kidomaru's web. ​

  Terrible comparison. Bee is never going to be able to use his claw once he's pined down via his arms and legs will be resticted. Enton burns through the web so using that isn't a good comparison at all my friend. Also how would he even be able to swing his blade once his entire body is pinned down plus the raition on his blade would get sucked right off via Earth dome so irrelevant claim here.​
  
  
  

  Doesn't constantly absorb enough chakra to affect Kirabi much less the Hachibi's chakra pool before he carves a way out with a Raiton Katana swipes, punches a hole in the Dome with the Hachibi's arm or walks through the Dome in TBV2. ​

  It's chakra absorbing feats are pretty slow true but Killer bee is never using raiton while using v1 or v2 cloak. If he powers down to use raition blades Muki Tensei spikes kills him. Kabuto will already have his hands on the dome thus Muki Tensei will happen nearly instant. V2 Killer will be completely restrained so him walking through the wall let alone getting up is impossible. How is he going to get reaching room when he pinned down you completely ignored the Kidomaru's web strategy while making this post. Kidomaru web could hold 2Elephants now image multiple webs plus them being SM inhanced then we look at the fact that he'll be completely restricted from movement he's never bypassing this combo.​
  
  
  
  

  Kimmimaro's bones do not present more force than a Biju-Dama which did no damage to a TBV2 cloak. Countered the strike'd above. ​

  Once Again failed comparison. Killer bee tanked his own

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  yet his body failed him against giant

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  Doesn't that mean the Giant Kunai> his Bijuudama nope. It simple means cutting force>Blunt.

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  This same samurai blades matched Sasuke raition covered blade. Now add SM plus Kabuto utilizing Kimmimaro stronges bone which is this. .(

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  ).This should be able to pierce through a v2 cloak if it's inhanced by SM. Completely debunked and clowned the so called counter.​
  
  
  
  

  Once Manda II begin's constricting; the Hachibi will charge a Biju-dama, hold it's mouth, open it and release the Biju-Dama inside it's mouth which will protrude through the lumbar and remove it's head. For referrence:

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  When Kabuto emerges from the ground Kirabi will revert to TBV2 and engage him directly. There is nothing in his arsenal that can seriously affect Bee in this state. Kirabi will then revert back to the strategy to kill Kabuto. ​

  Hachibi won't be able to focus the chakra to even form a Bijuudama while Manda is crushing his body. So throw this argument down the drain sir. I've already explained how he deals with v2 Bee also how does Hachibi swallowing his own Bijuudama deal with Manda it doesn't.​

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[Waltz]

Hachibi cannot use Sumi clones unless he is in full Hachibi as shown here. .(1). There is 0 evidence that any form less than full Hachibi can produce that much ink. BOLD- Pure speculation on 2parts' suggesting that 1 That a v2 cloak can produce ink clones. 2 That the ink clones can turn into v2 cloaks yet you fail to provide any evidence. Thus this strategy is useless and proven garbage.

Kirabi does not produce any Ink on his own but it is the Hachibi. Even while in his human-state, Kirabi has access to it's vast ink pools as highlighted many times during the Manga [

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]. The simple fact that the Hachibi itself could have produced Sumi-bunshin that took Kirabi's physical simply denotes that his Chakra may be mingled with the ink in order to produce the said bunshin.

Ink Clone Technique (墨分身の術, Sumi Bunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, C-rank, Supplementary

...This clone, made from a small amount of ink, carrying chakra, ...

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I've already proven why this Sumi bushin arguments aren't going to work but for the sake of the argument ill explain why even if this was possible it would never work anyways. Kabuto uses Kimmimaro and once Kimmimaro out he replicates this on his own body. .(2). Once they throw there blades Kabuto simple has to spin around and they'll all be deflected simple. If the others throw more the same thing happens Kabuto simple deflects them with the bones sticking out of his body.

If so, point 3 of Kirabi's strategy takes effect.

Spoiler

The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.

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If he turns into full Hachibi Kabuto simply summons Manda. If he tries to grab Kabuto legs with his chakra arm Kabuto slips right through via liquid body. The second hand is either dodged or it flies right through his body. Manda II gets in the way of the Bijuudama and tanks it for Kabuto.

The bold isn't apart of Kirabi's strategy. Hence I will state: Bee will not assume the form of the full Hachibi within context of his strategy to kill Kabuto.

@ Underlined: If so, then point 3 of Kirabi's strategy takes effect.

Spoiler

The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.

@ Red: If Manda is summoned as a line of defense and tanks the Biju-Dama, points 4-5-1-3 of Kirabi's strategy takes effect in this specific order.

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4) Kabuto will be intercepted by the Bunshin's Katana's. The original Kirabi will run directly to it and Manda II will, by instinct of it's defense mechanism as a snake, swallow him.

5) Once inside Manda II and in contact with it's soft, fleshy insides; Kirabi will immediately charge a Biju Dama and roast his insides, causing major damage of major organs and body components that will either Kill Manda II or cause it to automatically reverse Summon.

1) If Kabuto performs any action during the process, two of the Sumi bunshin from opposite sides will immediately throw 4 high-speed raiton powered Katana's at his body. If there is a recurring reaction then another two Sumi bunshin will throw their Katana's at his body.

3) The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.

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I already explained why that won't happen Kimmimaro bones covering his body deflects his incoming sword attacks thus Manda II is summoned with ease. Once Hachibi tries to engage Manda II he gets wrapped up and squashed to death. Swallowing him plus reverse summoning would result in BBR(Beyond Battlefield Restriction) Thus Killer bee would lose so your strategy here is garbage. There's the fact that Kabuto can fuse with Manda II thus giving him his abilities this would work perfect since it would be able to use water body and heal from deathing blows which Hachibi cannot even land/do here anyways.

This is funny. How is an Island sized Manda II going to wrap and constrict a human sized TBV2 Kirabi?

@Bold: Manda II's body will reverse summon leaving Kirabi behind.

@Underlined: Not with the 6 closely observing Sumi-bunshin engaging him.

@ Red: Not from a wave-like Biju-Dama tho. The liquid will rapidly evaporate and he'll be roasted to ashes.

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Used in the open or not why would the light be weaker? Fu used a light blinding tech and it worked fine in the open so don't use the open area excuse. They might not be affected but the boss man/Killer bee will and since he's affected Manda II effortlessly plows through the sumi clones and gobble Bee right up. The scan doesn't prove your point at all and i would love to see v2 Bee pull of a shockwave when in-fact if he could wouldn't he have done so against Kisame?Yet he tried to rush him with a v2 which is composed of chakra instead of using this great shockwave that would have been perfect for offence against someone like Kisame.

Point. But Fu's Jutsu was used in Dense forestry, not an open field where the sun's light is clearly visible from all directions. You may compare the Biju-Dama to a Nuke. If being within direct contact of such explosive force did 0 damage to the eyes of the TBV2 cloak, then White rage isn't doing anything.


@ Bold: Kakashi can use Kamui Yet didn't use it against Deva path during their squabble in the village. Does that mean he couldn't use Kamui? No. The Author sometimes limits a characters abilites to advance the plot. So your reference here, in a Versus matchup where both characters wield their full potential and abilities is meaningless. ​

What does this scan prove? This scan was basically Hachibi letting us know his skin was melting. This doesn't disprove anything you've counted at all. So i ask you how does this scan disprove of Kabuto being able to merge there cells? It doesn't.

When Kabuto's cells make contact with the TBV2 coat, they will evaporate and incinerate to ashes. ​

Terrible comparison. Bee is never going to be able to use his claw once he's pined down via his arms and legs will be resticted. Enton burns through the web so using that isn't a good comparison at all my friend. Also how would he even be able to swing his blade once his entire body is pinned down plus the raition on his blade would get sucked right off via Earth dome so irrelevant claim here.

I've already proven the uselessness and ineffectiveness of white rage, so Kabuto isn't pinning down anything. ​

It's chakra absorbing feats are pretty slow true but Killer bee is never using raiton while using v1 or v2 cloak. If he powers down to use raition blades Muki Tensei spikes kills him. Kabuto will already have his hands on the dome thus Muki Tensei will happen nearly instant. V2 Killer will be completely restrained so him walking through the wall let alone getting up is impossible. How is he going to get reaching room when he pinned down you completely ignored the Kidomaru's web strategy while making this post. Kidomaru web could hold 2Elephants now image multiple webs plus them being SM inhanced then we look at the fact that he'll be completely restricted from movement he's never bypassing this combo.

They were simply options as a means to escape. It can be used in V1, he doesn't need it in V2 to escape the dome. @Bold:If Muki Tensei is being used to strengthen the Dome's composition then Kirabi burrows through the ground beneath and evades the Jutsu completely. @ Red: Part 1 Neji's Gentle fist was busting those webs as was the Enton Katana which are both inferior to a claw strike from TBV2. ​

Once Again failed comparison. Killer bee tanked his own Bijuudama yet his body failed him against giant Kunai Doesn't that mean the Giant Kunai> his Bijuudama nope. It simple means cutting force>Blunt. Kimmimaro bones was able to go head up with the chakra covered Samurai blades This same samurai blades matched Sasuke raition covered blade. Now add SM plus Kabuto utilizing Kimmimaro stronges bone which is this. .(4).This should be able to pierce through a v2 cloak if it's inhanced by SM. Completely debunked and clowned the so called counter.

You are aware that a TBV2 cloak is tremendously more durable than the actual Hachibi? The Hachibi itself dispersed a Biju-Dama within the Mouth of the Jubi and suffered damages to it's face yet a TBV2 cloak tanked a Biju-Dama at point blank without suffering any damage. Kimmimaro's bones aren't doing anything. ​

Hachibi won't be able to focus the chakra to even form a Bijuudama while Manda is crushing his body. So throw this argument down the drain sir. I've already explained how he deals with v2 Bee also how does Hachibi swallowing his own Bijuudama deal with Manda it doesn't.

@Bold:Why?

For Manda II to constrict the Hachibi it must circle it's body, while doing so the Hachibi will charge a Biju Dama and when Manda II's head reaches eye level or it extends it's jaws preparing to bite (as you suggested in your initial post), the Hachibi will release the Biju-Dama into it's mouth.

@ Red:

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Once Manda II begin's constricting; the Hachibi will charge a Biju-dama, hold it's mouth, open it and release the Biju-Dama inside it's mouth

All in all you've countered nothing I've stated nor have you affected my strategy in anyway.

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Yall stop with this font and glowing text shit.

 

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BRUHHH Sumi clones don't even wield blades that alone kills 85% of your argument.​

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Begining of the end...​

Kirabi does not produce any Ink on his own but it is the Hachibi. Even while in his human-state, Kirabi has access to it's vast ink pools as highlighted many times during the Manga [

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]. The simple fact that the Hachibi itself could have produced Sumi-bunshin that took Kirabi's physical simply denotes that his Chakra may be mingled with the ink in order to produce the said bunshin.​

Fair point that he doesn't need to be full Hachibi to use ink clones. But that still doesn't suggest that he can turn the ink clones into v2 cloaks not one bit.​

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If so, point 3 of Kirabi's strategy takes effect.

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The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.

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How is point 3 going to work? Blast or wave type Bijuudama Manda tanks it with ease. Or Kabuto could simply slip underground plus your still relying on v2 clones help when you have yet to prove that he can even transform his ink clones into v2 cloaks so this argument has huge holes in it altogether. Note Summonings can be summoned extremely quick has shown

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. Sasuke wasn't even preforming the summing while c0 was going off yet he still managed to get it out in time. Kabuto easily gets Manda II in the time it take v2 Killer to charge and shoot a Bijuudama.​

The bold isn't apart of Kirabi's strategy. Hence I will state: Bee will not assume the form of the full Hachibi within context of his strategy to kill Kabuto.

@ Underlined: If so, then point 3 of Kirabi's strategy takes effect.

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The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.

@ Red: If Manda is summoned as a line of defense and tanks the Biju-Dama, points 4-5-1-3 of Kirabi's strategy takes effect in this specific order.​

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4) Kabuto will be intercepted by the Bunshin's Katana's. The original Kirabi will run directly to it and Manda II will, by instinct of it's defense mechanism as a snake, swallow him.

5) Once inside Manda II and in contact with it's soft, fleshy insides; Kirabi will immediately charge a Biju Dama and roast his insides, causing major damage of major organs and body components that will either Kill Manda II or cause it to automatically reverse Summon.

1) If Kabuto performs any action during the process, two of the Sumi bunshin from opposite sides will immediately throw 4 high-speed raiton powered Katana's at his body. If there is a recurring reaction then another two Sumi bunshin will throw their Katana's at his body.

3) The original Kirabi will blast a wave-like Biju-Dama at Kabuto who may or may not be occupied and eradicate him entirely.

If he doesn't resume full Hachibi then Manda II stomps the v2 forms with even less difficulty so either way isn't going to help your case at all. Point 3 is addressed above plus it doesn't even make much since when you fail to provide the complete evidence to your arguments. Points 4-5-1-2 were countered in my 2nd post not sure why your still bringing them up but if you insist ill counter them once more.​

4- Kabuto effortlessly dodges the blade just like Obito fodder paths didn't have a problem doing such a feat. .(

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). Those blades are never landing.​

5- This won't work either when the moment Manda II swallows Killer bee Kabuto can reverse summon Manda back to the

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. Thus Killer bee loses via Battlefield restrictions. Or i can go with plan one fuse his cells with Manda prior to him rushing and eating v2 Killer bee thus giving Manda II

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. thus the Bijuudama is completely useless.​

1- Killer bee blades gets shrugged of via

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or simply swatted away via

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How is this even a counter when all you did was repost your arguments?​

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This is funny. How is an Island sized Manda II going to wrap and constrict a human sized TBV2 Kirabi?

@Bold: Manda II's body will reverse summon leaving Kirabi behind.

@Underlined: Not with the 6 closely observing Sumi-bunshin engaging him.

@ Red: Not from a wave-like Biju-Dama tho. The liquid will rapidly evaporate and he'll be roasted to ashes.

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Fair point swallowing would be the best solution(NO HOMO). No it won't when Sasuke jumped in regular Manda's mouth when it went poof so followed it to the snake cave.(

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). Karin couldn't sense Sasuke thus he wasn't there plus scan 4 completely confirms if the summoning poof while something is in it's mouth it's going with the summoning simple. So not only is the plan a complete fail it was countered very hard as well which means you have to now re-wire your entire argument. Them observing him isn't going to stop the fuse since it only requires one touch and once Manda II is summoned it'll be in arms reach thus there cell fusion is happening.

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via water body. Then theirs the fact with Karin healing feats so if Manda II does have a hole in it it'll heal right back up. Plus this is also another failed argument because a v2 blase tbb wouldn't be anywhere near the size of Manda II entire body so wong again.​

Point. But Fu's Jutsu was used in Dense forestry, not an open field where the sun's light is clearly visible from all directions. You may compare the Biju-Dama to a Nuke. If being within direct contact of such explosive force did 0 damage to the eyes of the TBV2 cloak, then White rage isn't doing anything.


@ Bold: Kakashi can use Kamui Yet didn't use it against Deva path during their squabble in the village. Does that mean he couldn't use Kamui? No. The Author sometimes limits a characters abilites to advance the plot. So your reference here, in a Versus matchup where both characters wield their full potential and abilities is meaningless. ​

Sunlight was shinning through the tree's plus sunlight does not debunk bright abilities this was never even stated or even once suggested. Bruh since when do Bijuudama's shine bright? Never and that still doesn't solve the WR bone cringing ability which causes chakra forms to die down thus Killer bee would lose his v2 cloak and then be blitz in half just like he did against Itachi. If his clones try to save him Manda II crushes all of them or could simple swallow all of them.

Fair point but White rage will be used as soon as the battle start right around the time Killer bee is spitting his ink clones out so him trying to use v2 and a belly shockwave it'll be to late. If he decides not to spit the clones out and go straight to v2 Kabuto simply shoots White rage and then summon Manda II to quickly gabble up V2 Bee before he can even get the clones out resulting in an even easier finish either way Killer bee is going to get ruined here.​

When Kabuto's cells make contact with the TBV2 coat, they will evaporate and incinerate to ashes. ​

I've already proven the uselessness and ineffectiveness of white rage, so Kabuto isn't pinning down anything. ​

They were simply options as a means to escape. It can be used in V1, he doesn't need it in V2 to escape the dome. @Bold:If Muki Tensei is being used to strengthen the Dome's composition then Kirabi burrows through the ground beneath and evades the Jutsu completely. @ Red: Part 1 Neji's Gentle fist was busting those webs as was the Enton Katana which are both inferior to a claw strike from TBV2. ​

Why would Kabuto try and fuse with v2 cloak Killer bee? No they won't Gai punched a v2 cloak with his bare hands and nothing happened. .(

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). You didn't prove anything useless nor in-effective at all here. Useless Hachibi trying to escape underground is pointless when the ground is just as hard as the construct above confirmed by Kiba. .(

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). Neji's gentle fist burst through them because it was used to cut the chakra thus the web stabbed far more effective than a claw swipe. Enton burned through them once against far more effective than a claw swipe. You ignored the obvious once again how is he even going to swing while being held down?​

You are aware that a TBV2 cloak is tremendously more durable than the actual Hachibi? The Hachibi itself dispersed a Biju-Dama within the Mouth of the Jubi and suffered damages to it's face yet a TBV2 cloak tanked a Biju-Dama at point blank without suffering any damage. Kimmimaro's bones aren't doing anything. ​

@Bold:Why?

For Manda II to constrict the Hachibi it must circle it's body, while doing so the Hachibi will charge a Biju Dama and when Manda II's head reaches eye level or it extends it's jaws preparing to bite (as you suggested in your initial post), the Hachibi will release the Biju-Dama into it's mouth.

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All in all you've countered nothing I've stated nor have you affected my strategy in anyway.

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Piercing force beats blunt force simple.

Example 1 -JJ Madara body couldn't be tarnished by

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yet Sasuke's blade went right through his body.(

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Example 2- Manda still had his body intact after being hit with

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Yet Gamabunta's blade was able to go right through

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dispite it's durability. End result piercing force>Blunt force.

Hachibi won't be able to charge a Bijuudama while being crushed simply because forming a bijuudama takes focus and how will Hachibi be able to focus once it's body is completely being constricted and crushed? That was one of the options. Option 2 is that once restricted and being squeezed to death Kabuto's bone forest comes from under Hachibi and puts holes in his body/organs. Or Kabuto can simply fuse with full Hachibi once that comes out either way full Hachibi is suicide as it is a big target and cannot more fast at all.

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[Waltz]

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End Game. ​

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Good effort but you're sadly mistaken. As long as Kirabi

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Samehada; his bunshin will carry his weaponry.

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The Scan you posted was a sealing jutsu by which Sumi-bunshin are created specifically for sealing.

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Fūinjutsu: Okutopasu Hōrudo
Rank: B-Rank
Class: Supplementary
Range: Short to Mid-Range
User(s): Killer B

A Sealing technique made ​​for large military affairs, it can seal 1,000 enemies immediately. Jet black bushins, When They flank and entangle the enemy to bind them they kind of look like a卍symbol (note, this is a not a buddhist symbol swastika).

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Fair point that he doesn't need to be full Hachibi to use ink clones. But that still doesn't suggest that he can turn the ink clones into v2 cloaks not one bit.

Reading comprehension seems to be a protruding issue. TRE, I said V1 cloak.

Kirabi begins by immediately entering a TBV1 Chakra cloak state and creates six Sumi bunshin which also assume the said state

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How is point 3 going to work? Blast or wave type Bijuudama Manda tanks it with ease. Or Kabuto could simply slip underground plus your still relying on v2 clones help when you have yet to prove that he can even transform his ink clones into v2 cloaks so this argument has huge holes in it altogether. Note Summonings can be summoned extremely quick has shown here. Sasuke wasn't even preforming the summing while c0 was going off yet he still managed to get it out in time. Kabuto easily gets Manda II in the time it take v2 Killer to charge and shoot a Bijuudama.

I already posted an counter in case Manda is used for a defense; why not read and respond collectively? So he slips underground via what means and into the TBV2 arms to be caught? Makes no sense. ​

If he doesn't resume full Hachibi then Manda II stomps the v2 forms with even less difficulty so either way isn't going to help your case at all. Point 3 is addressed above plus it doesn't even make much since when you fail to provide the complete evidence to your arguments. Points 4-5-1-2 were countered in my 2nd post not sure why your still bringing them up but if you insist ill counter them once more.



4- Kabuto effortlessly dodges the blade just like Obito fodder paths didn't have a problem doing such a feat. .(1)-(2). Those blades are never landing.


5- This won't work either when the moment Manda II swallows Killer bee Kabuto can reverse summon Manda back to the snake cave. Thus Killer bee loses via Battlefield restrictions. Or i can go with plan one fuse his cells with Manda prior to him rushing and eating v2 Killer bee thus giving Manda II water body like he did his other snakes. thus the Bijuudama is completely useless.



1- Killer bee blades gets shrugged of via Kimmimaro bones sticking out of Kabuto's body or simply swatted away via chakra dissection blade.

Don't be foolish. TBV2 is much more durable, agile and vastly smaller than Manda II. The sense within your arguments are approaching 0. Manda II can only defeat an opponent by either constricting or biting. It would be unable to constrict around TBV2 Bee because of his small size in comparison which leaves biting which is the route Kirabi will use to enter it's weak spot, the soft; fleshiy inner composition of it's body and destroy it with a Biju Dama.

@4: Example does not correlate and is quite poor. The paths were only able to dodge because of their linked vision which was blatantly highlighted throughout both of your scans. Kabuto cannot see and effectively evade a total of 12 high speed Raiton powered Kunai approaching him from both sides and his back parts in sets of four. The mere fact that he was caught off guard due to a lack of visual against Itachi and Sasuke's attacks further suggests that he'll be pierced [

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]. @5: Kabuto cannot reverse summon Manda at that very moment because as I said for the 4th consecutive time, if Kabuto makes a movement or summons Manda the bunshin will pierce him with the Katanas. There is absolutely no way he's performing a reverse Kuchiyose with 12 high speed Raiton powered Kunai approaching him from a 3-4 meter distance and piercing his body. @1: Firstly your method here contradicts your failed counter for #5 since Kabuto will be engaing the bunshin; he cannot perform a reverse summon and Bee will Kill Manda II, Secondly, you're severely underestimating the penetrative force of Kirabi's katana's [

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] as the density of Kimmimaro's bones extend and is comparable to solid steel [

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] and thirdly, it honestly does bank on a chakra scalpel being sturdy enough to deflect Kirabi's kunai; an idea which bends to the negative and even so Kabuto cannot effectively defend against 12 Katana's approaching him simultaneously and even if giving the vague possibility; as he does so the bunshin will continue to barrage him as denoted in the initial strategy. He would then have to deflect 48 Raiton powered V1 Katana's which isn't occurring. ​

How is this even a counter when all you did was repost your arguments?

The success integrated within Kirabi's startegy takes effect whether or not Kabuto is occupied or not when the Biju-Dama is launched. You never countered them to begin with; hence the re-post. ​

No it won't when Sasuke jumped in regular Manda's mouth when it went poof so followed it to the snake cave.(3)-(4). Karin couldn't sense Sasuke thus he wasn't there plus scan 4 completely confirms if the summoning poof while something is in it's mouth it's going with the summoning simple. So not only is the plan a complete fail it was countered very hard as well which means you have to now re-wire your entire argument. Them observing him isn't going to stop the fuse since it only requires one touch and once Manda II is summoned it'll be in arms reach thus there cell fusion is happening. L00l Suigetsu took a full bijuudama blast wave point blank range and survived via water body. Then theirs the fact with Karin healing feats so if Manda II does have a hole in it it'll heal right back up. Plus this is also another failed argument because a v2 blase tbb wouldn't be anywhere near the size of Manda II entire body so wong again.

I've already highlighted why Kabuto will not be able to reverse summon Manda II. Also, When Fukusaku, Manda and Shima were killed they all remained on the battle field [

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]; your Kuchiyose will suffer the same fate. There is also the possibility of the Biju-Dama blasting a hole through Manda, out of which Kirabi may escape. Regarding the bold: I'll concur, however if Kabuto is within Manda II when Kirabi releases his Biju-Dama he'll be severely damaged and be forced to regenerate and during this time Kirabi resorts to the strategy. @Red: TRE,Suiton: Tate Eboshi may be used for offence however may be used as a shield against physically larger opponent however the jutsu was demolished by the Hachibi's Biju-Dama. Unsurprisingly; I think you're misunderstanding the term 'tank'; that is when a character or jutsu successfully defends against an attack, which in this case is precisely opposite to what you've suggested and thus results in another failed argument. Kabuto's liquid state will be evaporated to ashes. @Blue: Funny. Kabuto meshed Karin's ability with himself not Manda II. A wave-like Biju-Dama would be sufficient as Manda II's sturdy outer scales would provide a tunnel throughout it's entire body for it's explosive force and heat as it eradicates it's soft fleshy insides. Buh-bye snakey! :ilu: ​

Sunlight was shinning through the tree's plus sunlight does not debunk bright abilities this was never even stated or even once suggested. Bruh since when do Bijuudama's shine bright? Never and that still doesn't solve the WR bone cringing ability which causes chakra forms to die down thus Killer bee would lose his v2 cloak and then be blitz in half just like he did against Itachi. If his clones try to save him Manda II crushes all of them or could simple swallow all of them.

Fair point but White rage will be used as soon as the battle start right around the time Killer bee is spitting his ink clones out so him trying to use v2 and a belly shockwave it'll be to late. If he decides not to spit the clones out and go straight to v2 Kabuto simply shoots White rage and then summon Manda II to quickly gabble up V2 Bee before he can even get the clones out resulting in an even easier finish either way Killer bee is going to get ruined here.

Light will shine brighter within dense forestry than in broad daylight as the photon's from the suns rays would be deflecting those being produced and reduce it's effectiveness to some extent. @Bold: [

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] Also, I'll state this for a final time the force produced by White-Rage vibrating to the air is nothing compared to the force produced by impacting with a Biju-Dama at point blank range. The mere fact that Itachi was able to walk and Sasuke being able to keep his ground highlights that. @ Red: Another failed strategy? Kabuto must first swallow, and then proceed to regurgitate a Dragon wielding an orb which is then to be circled by the Dragon [

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]. The jutsu's time consumption before actual execution was so much so that Itachi was able to run several feet to Sasuke. Kirabi, maintaining full knowing will assume his TBV2 State which requires less than a second [

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Why would Kabuto try and fuse with v2 cloak Killer bee?

I already stated that Kirabi will assume his V2 state before engaging Kabuto in my first post; yet you resurfaced your argument on this matter in your second post. Your question here should be redirect to self. ​

No they won't Gai punched a v2 cloak with his bare hands and nothing happened. .(5). You didn't prove anything useless nor in-effective at all here. Useless Hachibi trying to escape underground is pointless when the ground is just as hard as the construct above confirmed by Kiba. .(6). Neji's gentle fist burst through them because it was used to cut the chakra thus the web stabbed far more effective than a claw swipe. Enton burned through them once against far more effective than a claw swipe. You ignored the obvious once again how is he even going to swing while being held down?

Kabuto's cells aren't penetrating TBV2's cloak which can effortlessly tank Biju-Dama and they will be incinerated because they are cells with no durability against alkaline of that temperature. If part-1 Kiba's fang over fang was able to put such large dents within the wall and Shikamaru's voice could be clearly heard denoting the wall is not overly dense then TBV2 will effortlessly plow-through it. @ Bold: Sasuke's Enton Katana was able to bisect a pseudo-jubi and A 3-tailed TBV1 Naruto's claw strike sent Orochimaru flying over 50 meters and you're saying a claw strike from Kirabi's 8-Tail TBV2 would be less effective? As they say, cool story. ​

Piercing force beats blunt force simple.

Example 1 -JJ Madara body couldn't be tarnished by EEyet Sasuke's blade went right through his body.(6).

Example 2- Manda still had his body intact after being hit with C0 Yet Gamabunta's blade was able to go right through Manda's body dispite it's durability. End result piercing force>Blunt force.

Kusanagi did 0 Damage to a TBV2's cloak; A point blank Biju-Dama and Shinra Tensei did 0 Damage to a TBV2's cloak. ​

Hachibi won't be able to charge a Bijuudama while being crushed simply because forming a bijuudama takes focus and how will Hachibi be able to focus once it's body is completely being constricted and crushed? That was one of the options. Option 2 is that once restricted and being squeezed to death Kabuto's bone forest comes from under Hachibi and puts holes in his body/organs. Or Kabuto can simply fuse with full Hachibi once that comes out either way full Hachibi is suicide as it is a big target and cannot more fast at all.

Manda has surface and then circle it's body; it will be done during the said time. @Red: Unless be, being knowledgeable of Kabuto's arsenal reverts to a TBV2 state once Manda II appears and reverts to the strategy. What you fail to realize is that as Kirabi has full intel on Kabuto and his abilities he knows he cannot defeat and completely defend against him in his regular or V1 state and as stated initially so he will engage Kabuto in V2 in order to defeat him. Kabuto's entire arsenal losses to TBV2 and more so he is defeated if the genius use of clones are taken into consideration. ​

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damn they went at it