Debate : could the Uchiha Clan Massacre have been avoided??

[Ansatsuken]

Hiruzen. As Hokage he need to show his leadership and power to the citizen/community he lead.

 

[RafiD62x]

Danzo is to blame.....:scorps:

 

[Joon]

Yes they can, and that's why the Uchiha had to be stopped by any means necessary. There'd be heavy casualties, thereby opening Konoha up to the chance of a hostile invasion by Iwa, Kumo, or Suna.


We both know the Hyuuga aren't potential mass murdering psychopaths.

Because his actions were the intelligent thing to do to protect the village. It's easy to be on the outside looking in, and like I said hindsight is 20/20. Tobirama's actions did lead to the massacre, but in the end the destiny of the Uchiha were in their own hands. They chose rebellion and destruction, or more accurately Fugaku did.
Tobirama fought the Uchiha all his life, he researched and analyzed them thoroughly, he knew exactly how they tick. He probably knows a great deal more about the Uchiha than the average Uchiha. If he ruled them as demented I'd agree. Just look at their history, the people they've produced.

Them Hyuga crazy. They slave and kill their own.

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The Uchiha were blamed for the Kyuubi attack and shun by the village. Everybody was against them. They were victims. Not the other way around.

 

[-immortal-]

Obito was against them, so was Itachi :|

Obito was merely butthurt that he helped killing the uchiha, itachi however did it for a purpose.

But this is a what if .

 

[JCW]

If u wish to "blame" anyone...blame madara

But who is truly to blame


Every single individual who thought either or killing was the way.... No one had an alternative to some type of death.


The way it could have been avoided is more simple than any post o have read.


Answer: just live. Without someone having power over the next


(Some will say kaguya is to blame because of the tree ((play on the bible of Adam and Eve))

But with each conscious comes critical thinking which NONE even naruto and sasuke are aware of.

Hierarchy, oligarchy... Both brings destruction. Anarchy is true peace

 

[Honord Sage]

The acer is no because of Danzo,who wanted their eye power. Danzo would have found a way and a reason to have the Massacre occur. Danzo did trick Hanzo and the original Akkaski to fight each other, Danzo might have had a hand in the Uzumaki village destruction for all we know.

 

[Melanin]

Yes they can, and that's why the Uchiha had to be stopped by any means necessary. There'd be heavy casualties, thereby opening Konoha up to the chance of a hostile invasion by Iwa, Kumo, or Suna.


We both know the Hyuuga aren't potential mass murdering psychopaths.

Because his actions were the intelligent thing to do to protect the village. It's easy to be on the outside looking in, and like I said hindsight is 20/20. Tobirama's actions did lead to the massacre, but in the end the destiny of the Uchiha were in their own hands. They chose rebellion and destruction, or more accurately Fugaku did.
Tobirama fought the Uchiha all his life, he researched and analyzed them thoroughly, he knew exactly how they tick. He probably knows a great deal more about the Uchiha than the average Uchiha. If he ruled them as demented I'd agree. Just look at their history, the people they've produced.

What are u objecting to? You basically just reiterated everything I previously said.

 

[SatanicGod]

Proving how unstable they are...

So you're telling us, that if you were forced to live isolated from the rest of society, and take up jobs that most people would hate the people doing, you would be fine? You would be happy, then especially considering the fact that the Senju, even though they were BOTH founding clans of the village, were the only people out into a position of power within the village.

Then you know Tobirama was biased against the clan when even his own brother, Hashirama, feared and told him not to discriminate against them while he was still in charge. But what does Tobirama do? He spits on the wishes of his now deceased brother, and does EXACTLY what his brother told him not to do. That alone shows that Tobirama's bias against the Uchiha overrode his loyalty to his brother!

 

[HiddenSound]

Them Hyuga crazy. They slave and kill their own.

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The Uchiha were blamed for the Kyuubi attack and shun by the village. Everybody was against them. They were victims. Not the other way around.

That is true, but they don't turn into inconsolable mass murdering psychopaths when their loved ones died.

The Uchiha were absent from the Kyuubi's attack, and the Kyuubi had historically been chained to "those with blessed eyes," the Sharingan. Could you blame the rest of the village for adding 2+2?
Yes the Uchihas were the victim, and they were about to stupidly rip Konoha apart and get themselves destroyed in the process. If they weren't stopped, the village, the majority, would become the victim.

 

[HiddenSound]

So you're telling us, that if you were forced to live isolated from the rest of society, and take up jobs that most people would hate the people doing, you would be fine? You would be happy, then especially considering the fact that the Senju, even though they were BOTH founding clans of the village, were the only people out into a position of power within the village.

Then you know Tobirama was biased against the clan when even his own brother, Hashirama, feared and told him not to discriminate against them while he was still in charge. But what does Tobirama do? He spits on the wishes of his now deceased brother, and does EXACTLY what his brother told him not to do. That alone shows that Tobirama's bias against the Uchiha overrode his loyalty to his brother!

Bias is required for a clan like the Uchiha. As I said before, placing a bunch of potential mass murderong psychopaths in the middle of town is the last thing a new village needs.

 

[maniaoqan]

Hiruzen is at fault. He was way too passive and let Danzo have too much influence and control. Uchiha became the black sheep ever since Madara's betrayal and Kyuubi incident made it even worse. Since Uchiha Sharingan can control a bijuu many suspected their hands at the incident which caused Uchiha to isolate themselves even more. Hiruzen failed to reconnect Uchiha and Konoha and give Danzo space to made the situation even worse.

Itachi didn't had many options after Shisui got owned by Danzo. If he killed Danzo than clan still would've rebelled. I think he could've minimized the casulty by sparing some less threating clan members. He could've not f*** with Sasuke's brain so he could be more loyal to the village. And lastly he could've taken out Danzo after he is done with the clan.

Again none of that would come this far if Hiruzen managed to melt the ice between Uchiha and Konoha, he even admitted his failure in the manga.

 

[kiiro]

The fault was for Minato haha, if he had live and not sacriface himself he could avoid the massacre but he didnt.

But is he was dead then the fault is for Hiruzen for listening to Danzo. He couldnt make decisions for himself, he didnt even went to talk to the Uchihas, he made Itachi do everything. He didnt had the guts to go with Itachi's dad and clear the thing and not even because he was the Hokage.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Nope never.

 

[Dark Sonic]

I pity them. If Minato was alive, things would have been different.

 

[minamoto]

So you're telling us, that if you were forced to live isolated from the rest of society, and take up jobs that most people would hate the people doing, you would be fine? You would be happy, then especially considering the fact that the Senju, even though they were BOTH founding clans of the village, were the only people out into a position of power within the village.

Then you know Tobirama was biased against the clan when even his own brother, Hashirama, feared and told him not to discriminate against them while he was still in charge. But what does Tobirama do? He spits on the wishes of his now deceased brother, and does EXACTLY what his brother told him not to do. That alone shows that Tobirama's bias against the Uchiha overrode his loyalty to his brother!

sasuke shouldve been dead during the mssacre........thx to itachi who saved him

 

[Angelic.]

based on all the what ifs we've seen like the current anime, yes

 

[neosmith500]

Yes , if minato were alive. Due to the dynamic shared between mikoto and kushina we could assume that minato and fukaku would share a similar dynamic..

Kushina could convince mikoto to talk to her husband an change him by tellin him to "think of the children" , the innocents of konoha along with young uchihas , which should ultimately cause him to reconsider.


I also feel that hiruzen along with itachi , shisui and ultimately sasuke would also hav worked for sure , if they tried talking to him.

 

[minamoto]

I pity them. If Minato was alive, things would have been different.

i disagree

 

[leezagboola]

Why is everyone saying Tobirama isolated them, sure their base was on the outside of the village but they were all still allowed to come to the main city and participate in everything. And they were given a respectable role not garbage men.

Honestly the 3rd hokage is to blame, he knew the uchiha were planning a huge attack and instead trying to negotiate with them, possibly give someone a seat on the council or let them live closer to the village he sent a spy in and sat back while they became madder and madder. Even Naruto would have Talk no Jutsu some sense into the uchiha elders and tried to get them to appreciate their role in the village.
But its also the uchiha clans fault, they probably wouldnt be satisfied until they were controlling the village and would continue to complain until eventually planning a huge attack. Its not itachis fault because if he didnt do it, someone else would.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So you're telling us, that if you were forced to live isolated from the rest of society, and take up jobs that most people would hate the people doing, you would be fine? You would be happy, then especially considering the fact that the Senju, even though they were BOTH founding clans of the village, were the only people out into a position of power within the village.

Then you know Tobirama was biased against the clan when even his own brother, Hashirama, feared and told him not to discriminate against them while he was still in charge. But what does Tobirama do? He spits on the wishes of his now deceased brother, and does EXACTLY what his brother told him not to do. That alone shows that Tobirama's bias against the Uchiha overrode his loyalty to his brother!

Doing jobs ppl hate doing?

They were the police force of konoha, and had the option to be standard ninja. They literally had the most power in the village coming second to the kage him/her selves. And that isolation crap is bs. Each clan had their own grounds, as seen with the nara forest, the huuga estate, and so on and so forth. Face it. They are the only ones at fault here. Wanting more than they can chew.