Debate : could the Uchiha Clan Massacre have been avoided??

[minamoto]

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TOBIDARA!!!!!!!

1- would you blame itachi for the massacre of the Uchiha clan?....if yes why...if no then who do you blame and why?

2-if you were in Itachi's place :what would you have done to avoid both : the Massacre of The Uchiha Clan , and the Uchiha clan coup d'état at the same time??.....

befor you blame itachi ,plz remember that :

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[Adam Driver]

This is as such considering Itachi is the batman of NV

 

[Nick01]

Danzo is the one to blame. He wanted the Uchiha dead, and took Shisui's eye which could've been used to prevent the coup d'etat, and the massacre.

 

[Asmodai]

it's still itachi fault eventhough not entirely. but still he avoided potential war that could bring more casualties than a mere clan.

there is nothing else itachi could do, what he did is the best he could do.

 

[HiddenSound]

Danzo is the one to blame. He wanted the Uchiha dead, and took Shisui's eye which could've been used to prevent the coup d'etat, and the massacre.

No, Shisui's plan was retarded, would've failed miserably, and would've destroyed any trace of the element of surprise Konoha might have had.

Fugaku is to blame at the end of it. Instead of waiting out the "storm" (I use quotes because calling the Uchiha Clan's situation a storm is an over-exaggeration) he decided to risk everything, everything, in a coup detat. That risk did not pay off and he lost everything.
Danzo and Itachi did what they had to do, they saved Konoha from an idiot. It might be cold to say or whatever, but "the needs of the many"...

If I were Itachi, I most likely would not have been able to do it, nor could most anyone else do it. It would be the right thing to do, an ultimate sacrifice, which most people are not prepared to make.

 

[Pyro NB]

If only Itachi had been by Shisui's side when Danzo attacked:sniff:

 

[Joon]

It was Tobimaru who discriminated against the Uchiha. If he didn't make them feel so isolate, then the Uchiha Massacre could have been averted.

 

[HiddenSound]

It was Tobimaru who discriminated against the Uchiha. If he didn't make them feel so isolate, then the Uchiha Massacre could have been averted.

He had good reason to. The Uchiha could snap at the drop of a hat. They were more dangerous than any other clan by far.
But hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Joon]

He had good reason to. The Uchiha could snap at the drop of a hat. They were more dangerous than any other clan by far.
But hindsight is 20/20.

No, he was paranoid.

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[Melanin]

They would've destroyed the villiage Brah.

The Senju clan was/were the only clan make that could offer a challenge collectively.

 

[HiddenSound]

No, he was paranoid.

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Call it what you want, he was right to be suspicious of these kinds of people.

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The Uchiha are more effected by emotions than any other group of people, and when they experience deep negative emotions such as hate they become all the more powerful. He'd have been stupid not to monitor them.

They would've destroyed the villiage Brah.

The Senju clan was/were the only clan make that could offer a challenge collectively.

They would've been completely annihilated. Itachi wasn't with them, Shisui wasn't with them, they didn't posses any special weapons like the Kyuubi, they only had basic 3-T Sharingans. Not only that but Konoha saw them coming.
Sarutobi, Shimura, Hyuuga, Aburame, Inuzuka, Akimichi, Nara, Yamanaka, the Anbu. All against the weakest generation of Uchiha.

 

[Joon]

Call it what you want, he was right to be suspicious of these kinds of people.

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The Uchiha are more effected by emotions than any other group of people, and when they experience deep negative emotions such as hate they become all the more powerful. He'd have been stupid not to monitor them.

But he didn't just monitor them, he confine them to the corner of the village. That alone fueled their hatred towards the village. The Kyuubi Attack pushed them over the edge.

 

[HiddenSound]

But he didn't just monitor them, he confine them to the corner of the village. That alone fueled their hatred towards the village. The Kyuubi Attack pushed them over the edge.

Proving how unstable they are...

 

[Joon]

Proving how unstable they are...

What? No. :| Proving how much control Tobimaru wanted over the Uchiha.

Shit. If I was an Uchiha, I'll be mad and wanna fight and f*** some shit up too.

 

[HiddenSound]

What? No. :| Proving how much control Tobimaru wanted over the Uchiha.

Shit. If I was an Uchiha, I'll be mad and wanna fight and f*** some shit up too.

Tobirama.

He didn't want control at all. He wanted to protect the village at all costs, that's the point of his entire character and he's never been portrayed otherwise. There are some Uchiha he even enjoyed such as Kagami.
But having a clan of potential mass murdering psychopaths with insane powers in the middle of town is the last thing a fledgling village needs.

That's the mindset that got them exterminated tbh.

 

[Melanin]

Call it what you want, he was right to be suspicious of these kinds of people.

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The Uchiha are more effected by emotions than any other group of people, and when they experience deep negative emotions such as hate they become all the more powerful. He'd have been stupid not to monitor them.

They would've been completely annihilated. Itachi wasn't with them, Shisui wasn't with them, they didn't posses any special weapons like the Kyuubi, they only had basic 3-T Sharingans. Not only that but Konoha saw them coming.
Sarutobi, Shimura, Hyuuga, Aburame, Inuzuka, Akimichi, Nara, Yamanaka, the Anbu. All against the weakest generation of Uchiha.

Their success isn't what I was referring too solely, their attempt to overthrow the powers at be and establishing their deminon over the villagers by force would have definitely thrown everything into disarray and weakened the village. (2) this spefic generation could be said to be the weakest but 50 Sharingans do a lot of damage.

 

[Joon]

Tobirama.

He didn't want control at all. He wanted to protect the village at all costs, that's the point of his entire character and he's never been portrayed otherwise. There are some Uchiha he even enjoyed such as Kagami.
But having a clan of potential mass murdering psychopaths with insane powers in the middle of town is the last thing a fledgling village needs.

That's the mindset that got them exterminated tbh.

[BOLD] You could be speaking of the Hyuuga.

How can you imply his actions were just? He set-up the annihilation of the Uchiha. Instead of giving them a chance, he ruled them as demented.

 

[-immortal-]

Yes.

Obito could rek both Danzo and Hiruzen at the same time and uchiha clan could take over the village
On top of that you had itachi and such.

 

[HiddenSound]

Their success isn't what I was referring too solely, their attempt to overthrow the powers at be and establishing their deminon over the villagers by force would have definitely thrown everything into disarray and weakened the village. (2) this spefic generation could be said to be the weakest but 50 Sharingans do a lot of damage.

Yes they can, and that's why the Uchiha had to be stopped by any means necessary. There'd be heavy casualties, thereby opening Konoha up to the chance of a hostile invasion by Iwa, Kumo, or Suna.

[BOLD] You could be speaking of the Hyuuga.

How can you imply his actions were just? He set-up the annihilation of the Uchiha. Instead of giving them a chance, he ruled them as demented.

We both know the Hyuuga aren't potential mass murdering psychopaths.

Because his actions were the intelligent thing to do to protect the village. It's easy to be on the outside looking in, and like I said hindsight is 20/20. Tobirama's actions did lead to the massacre, but in the end the destiny of the Uchiha were in their own hands. They chose rebellion and destruction, or more accurately Fugaku did.
Tobirama fought the Uchiha all his life, he researched and analyzed them thoroughly, he knew exactly how they tick. He probably knows a great deal more about the Uchiha than the average Uchiha. If he ruled them as demented I'd agree. Just look at their history, the people they've produced.

 

[HiddenSound]

Yes.

Obito could rek both Danzo and Hiruzen at the same time and uchiha clan could take over the village
On top of that you had itachi and such.

Obito was against them, so was Itachi :|