[DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

dear jesus.

Watch.

[video=youtube;64ULQCvz3BQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64ULQCvz3BQ[/video]

This.

It taught me how to buy ice cream.

ot: kamui gg
 

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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

Me, Shura, 321sid and AC.

OT:

[video=youtube;vNlMwK-HyRw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNlMwK-HyRw[/video]

Watch this. It's Zexion and PP.

**** Cents can win after watching this.

1. Wtf did I just watch...
2. Shura and AC is the same person
3. Are you hiding something from me?
 

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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

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Bugsniffer/Udon of Akatsuki/Moegi of Akatsuki

Two different people.

And Leon. . Study for your finals or go to bed, isn't it near Midnight for you?
 

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1. Wtf did I just watch...
2. Shura and AC is the same person
3. Are you hiding something from me?

1. PP and Zexion
2. I know neither of them
3. Yes, I do not know how to tie my shoes

ot: kamui still 1shots.

Two different people.

And Leon. . Study for your finals or go to bed, isn't it near Midnight for you?

I am still stuck in the first grade. Wait, which one of you are you? Billy or Yolobito? I can't recognize you.. You have the same avatar.
 
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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

I believe in you William.
 

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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

Someone save the OP conditions... This is going to be deleted.

@Ty: Root shall be victories today. .
 

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1. PP and Zexion
2. I know neither of them
3. Yes, I do not know how to tie my shoes

I am no detective, but its too easy to read the signs.
 

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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

Me, Shura, 321sid and AC.

OT:

[video=youtube;vNlMwK-HyRw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNlMwK-HyRw[/video]

Watch this. It's Zexion and PP.

**** Cents can win after watching this.


So Zex is the tree and PP is the pottery. amiright?
 

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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

Both debaters are using the same avatar to try and confuse us :|

He is one of his 5 fans from the base.

AHEM, six...
 
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We need judges doh.
 

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Doesn't have time to VM but he has time to debate

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Re: [DEBATE] Centurion (Danzou & Sai) vs. Yolobito Swagchiha (Kakashi & Shino)

Izanagi GG
Opening Statements:

For this battle, both Sai and Danzo will undoubtedly have a bit of knowledge on their opponents. Danzo will have a rough idea on what to expect from Kakashi. Both from his fame and Danzo also possessing the Sharingan. He'll also be able to anticipate what Shino will bring to the part, having had an Aburame as a personal body guard and a head lackey in the past. Like wise, Sai has worked with both of these shinobi. Maybe not the most intimately, but he has. For the sake of clearing things up, both ROOT Shinobi will exchange the knowledge they have in the early stages of the match up.

The next stage of the battle; Danzo will order Sai to make and then use immediately his special paper bombs [ ]. These paper bombs will be thrown directly in front of Team 2, and when they explode it will kick up a massive dust cloud of debris much like they did in the manga [ ]. Though Sai will be making several more which he will hold back on using during this stage of the battle. While the dust cloud is still high, both Sai and Danzo will proceed to distance themselves. Either with the use of a bird (For Sai) or using fuuton to blow himself back (For Danzo) [ ]. Once away, Danzo will take Sai's brush and ink and proceed to use the Shishou Fuuin Jutsu [ ]. Making a fresh seal on his body. This Jutsu, as Obito informed us of, Danzo is able to control when it is set off [ ].

After this is all done, you can expect Sai to have used his explosive bombs at least once more to keep the fog of war up. Until Sai forms three ink birds, a Clone and Sai being on two at different positions on the bridge, and Danzo being in the center. That is when Danzo will allow the bombardment to end and the battle to begin.


Attack Phase:

Now, with both of the Sai's at either side of Danzo, flying slightly away from the bridge. This is when Danzo will begin the ROOT offensive. Running forward at both teams, Danzo will use a large scale Fuuton to blow back and kill any of Shino's insects or any Shadow Clone that Danzo may suspect the team to deploy against him [ ]. Once in range of either of them, both Sai's will begin to throw the Explosive Ink bombs at Kakashi and Shino from the sides. Some aimed directly behind and other aimed at the side. May I take you back, for a quick moment here. Unlike regular paper bombs, Sai's are particularly deadly. Capable of turning a portion of a forest into a clearing with little evidence of the trees being around [ - ]. Failing to do anything will result in death. Any insects or Shadow Clones caught in the explosion will likely be eradicated. The entire point of this is, Danzo is forcing them forward. For what? For the quick end to this battle.

Once they get close, Danzo is going to make a dash for Kakashi. Without a doubt will this lead to initial taijutsu combat, which is when and where kakashi will be marked by Danzo [ ]. Even if Kakashi manages to deal a lethal blow to Danzo, with Izanagi active he is capable of respawning near him and attacking once more. I severely doubt that Kakashi will manage to evade every last attempt at physical contact from Danzo. It's not as if Danzo is a stooge when it comes to these things. Once hit, Danzo will activate the seal and paralyze Kakashi. With this now in effect, Danzo will activate the second Shishou Fuuin Jutsu and proceed to kill both of them.

Though Danzo will respawn, both of the Sai's will focus their fire on Shino now. With only one opponent left, Danzo will defeat Shino with moderate difficulty. His Fuuton being capable of hitting the insects with enough force to kill them. Summoning Baku and forcing it to suck would also draw in all bugs and the real Shino (As I suspect he and you will make use of the substitution jutsu). Leaving him vulnerable to Danzo's fuuton bullets or any of Sai's ink creations.




Defensive Measures:

While I believe this strategy to be effective, I won't deny there's the chance of failure. Here I'll just post what ROOT can do to evade and counter the offensive measurements that Konoha's Team has. The first is Kamui. You may have noticed I had presented a strategy to make it harder for Sai to be caught. Assuming they don't have knowledge, there being two Sai's on the battle field and with Kakashi unable to tell which is the original will cause a room for error or maybe even cause kakashi to not risk using Kamui on one. Not wanting to waste up his chakra and force himself to be even more vulnerable to Danzo. The next defense against Kamui is well, Izanagi. With Eleven minutes of immortality (Including Shishui's eye), Danzo is easily able to out last Kamui. Kakashi won't use it recklessly against after discovering of Izanagi on Danzo, lest he waste it.

Kakashi's Raiton attacks are normally quite deadly, but thankfully Danzo has the Fuuton element on his side. Which is naturally superior to Raiton. Sai's own defense is relying on Danzo or trying to evade any Raiton attack via flying away on his bird. Doubtful that anything but a raiton imbued Kunai will reach him, though.

As for Shino; His insects are a bit of an issue to Sai. But with a heavy supply of explosive bombs (For the original at least) He can either force the bugs to retreat and kill some of them or veer them off course enough to escape. As for Danzo, both Baku, fuuton, and Izanagi all counter his attacks perfectly. Fuuton blows them back, if not kills them instantly. And the chances of them hitting the ground and being too injured to fly is high. Izanagi is self explanatory, and Baku I already covered.

This section is a bit weak, sorry. It's just to get this out here. I'll enjoy seeing what you have.

 

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...you guys, I swear to god.

OT: Will have counter up tomorrow.

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For the sake of handling hypothetical worst case scenarios first...

These paper bombs will be thrown directly in front of Team 2, and when they explode it will kick up a massive dust cloud of debris much like they did in the manga [ ]. Though Sai will be making several more which he will hold back on using during this stage of the battle. While the dust cloud is still high, both Sai and Danzo will proceed to distance themselves.

This cloud of dust won't handicap Kakashi and his ocular prowess in the slightest. He'll be able to thoroughly see right through it, as the Sharingan gives - why Sasuke was able to see through solid earth exactly where Deidara's mines were hidden. You may bring up the Zabuza situation, but mind you, the reason that Kakashi was unable to see through the mist with his Sharingan is because the mist was . Seeing as we're considering worst case scenarios here, while Sai is tossing up this barrage Kakashi either simply uses Kamui on him or Danzo before Izanagi is activated. That's probably not going to happen, yet it's still a viable option if he feels threatened.




And now, onward to Shino. This scenario that you propose is actually advantageous to Shino, whose bugs are able to ; even better, while Sai and Danzo are distributing their benefits, Shino's bugs are creeping under the bridge. As displayed multiple times over the length of the series (and further confirmed by the databook), Shino is quite possibly the most intelligent member of the K11 in battle sense, second only to Shikamaru. He knows of Sai's ink, and is at least aware of Danzo's position as the newest Hokage; he's not going to rush in without a plan.

More likely, he utilizes a strategy similar to what was established versus Kankuro: a head on attack, which is in turn a mere distraction for another, more stealthy attack [ ].

Mind you, that was Part 1 Shino displayed in that scan. In part 2, he's capable of deploying his insects at a .



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Here's a rough explanation of how this strategy would play out.

As you suggested, Sai creates a dust cloud with the use of his paper bombs. Taking light of the situation, Shino deploys some of his bugs to go directly through said dust cloud, although directly previous he has an even larger amount of Kikaichū swarm the underside of the bridge.

Both groups of Kikaichu split into two groups; we shall refer to the two frontward attacking swarms of insects as K. Team A and B respectively, and the swarms under the bridge - much larger than teams A and B - shall be known as K. Team Z and X.



Side exploit #1: Of Durability and Clones


I find it necessary to expand upon the incredible durability of Shino's Kikaichū, and his Mushi Bunshin.

We've seen firsthand the destruction that Zaku's air cannons were . Creating a sizeable crater in the earth, and yet Shino's Kikaichū were capable of not only tanking a point blank blast from these cannons, they crawled out . Another durability feat is tanking point blank two kunai.

Danzo's lesser Fūton:, such as Fūton: Shinkūha, are either tanked or evaded.

What's truly interesting about Shino's Mushi Bunshin, however, is that they're composed entirely of insects; a swarm of Kikaichu can just as easily become a Bunshin as vise versa. This is a particularly clever way of allowing Shino to ambush Sai on his bird and implant inside him his .

Danzo and Sai are going to most likely seek to eradicate K. Teams A and B, which is exactly what Shino and Kakashi desire.


Kakashi's role in this strategy:

And where is Kakashi in this strategy, you ask? He's going through his own benefits and occupying Danzo while Shino handles Sai. As we've seen throughout the length of the series, Kakashi is also a very strategic fighter. In nearly all of his fights, he's first tested his opponent with Bunshin [Versus Itachi and Kisame [ - ], versus Pain [ ], versus Zabuza [ ]. This battle is going to be no different.

Although I don't see it to be all that necessary, we all should now by this point that Kakashi's reserves and stamina has increased massively since the beginning of the War Arc.

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All of this was done with the passive Sharingan drain active, amplified by the fact that it requires more chakra seeing as Kakashi isn't an Uchiha. His reserves won't be a problem in this match up.

Of all the forms of clones he has at his disposal, this battle would have him using a Lightning Bunshin; as we saw versus Asura Path, upon this Bunshin losing its form it electrically shocks its opponent, a perfect opportunity for Kakashi to gain intel on the Seal; as soon as Danzo touches him to activate the Seal, the Bunshin disperses and shocks Danzo.

You raised a point on Danzo potentially dispersing the clone via a Fuuton: said Fuuton are tanked, or at least the impact of them are lightened, from Kakashi's Doton: Doryuuheki. By that point Sai is likely covered in insects, so paper bombs are no longer a factor.

Once Kakashi has intel on both the seal and Izanagi he simply fends off Danzo in CQC with Bunshin and Raikiri variants until Danzo's minutes of Izanagi are up. Utter worse case scenario, if somehow Danzo manages to land the seal on the original Kakashi, he simply sends himself to the Kamui dimension.

Even the mere seconds that it takes for Sai to toss paper bombs and Danzo to cast his Fuuton is more than enough for K. Teams Z and X to silently swarm Sai's two Bunshin.


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Sai has no hopes of escaping this technique alive, paper bombs or not. He'll be completely restrained and will soon die of chakra loss.

From there it becomes Shino and Kakashi vs. Danzo.

Baku? Baku receives a Kamui to the face.

On the offensive: Kakashi can definitely hold his own in Taijutsu with Danzo, who obviously can't spam the seal; he was with Hidan in CQC despite having a much lesser weapon, swung Kubikiribōchō with a single hand, clashed with Zabuza on multiple occasions, and has precognition as a result of his Sharingan.

You brought up the point of Danzo's Fuuton being stronger on an elemental scale that Kakashi Raiton, yet will he be able to cast said Fuuton before Kakashi's Raiton hits? Not to mention Kakashi's range expanding to Suiton as well. This location benefits him massively, seeing as he can utilize the water under the bridge in order to use techs such as Suryuudan no Jutsu Daibakufu no Jutsu.

Back to my previous point: Kakashi's main Raiton techniques in this battle are going to be and . The former is incredibly fast, and can at least pressure Danzo back long enough to allow Shino to push forward his Kikaichu and continuously force Danzo to utilize Izanagi's hax op abilities. The latter essentially serves the same purpose.

The main point I'm pushing is that Shino and Kakashi can attack at a faster rate than your team; Danzo and Sai will have very few chances to go on the offensive with this tandem.



 

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Nicely done, I'll start working on a reply later tonight but don't expect anything till possible early Tuesday Morning.
 

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dis is goin places. such debate. much intense. wow.
 

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This debate won't end just like many others.
 
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