[Game] Death Note Mafia #21 - Game Thread
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I think A Hot material if he's town should be let alive and not kill because he's not posing a threat to scum, right?
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Red stressed out would take a cigar and light one.
ive told you already. Vig took out Rej he was really suspected. Thats another reason I wanted vig to claim imo, it allows town to see how the scum team is thinking and can help pinpoint down who thinks like that.
Red would blow a puff a smoke
Btw paperboi could be scum, but he feels too engaging to be scum. Based on past meta he was afk when scum. Thats just a small reason why I dont suspect him. But i get your points on him, they make sense just I dont think they are strong enough.
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He maybe trying to look engaging but look at all his posts, leave little sense.
And then he hide behind a phrase "I'm a simple person"
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You know why I dont see this as odd behaviour? Because I have never seen Paper play any better then this. None of what he is saying tips behaviour of his scum play and well I cant compare how a good player or how your or I play to his playstyle because I don't know mich about it. Everything he says sounds very nonchalant and for the lack of a better word: "simple" because that's how I assume he plays. Your case agaisnt him would hold water on litteraly any other player in this game, expect maybe Raurix(forgot how to spell his name). If you can find, cause i haven't, any contradiction or error in his posts that would look/point to him as scum I will most lickly vote for him. Untill then I will leave my vote on you out of desperation. As well as a experiment.
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Why you couldn't see it as an odd behavior? And please define "any better than this" regarding to his play style to me. He stepping up his posting game doesn't automatically make him town.
His Wolf and Town play from previous game;
Serial Killer,
Town,
There's not much different can be found. Not interm of activity but interm of posting style.
But inside this game he said more things than he did in the previous games. But that very much still NAI.
So here we just experiencing new kind of META from him.
Like I said before, we're experiencing or being introduced to new META from him but its NAI.
So to know theor not we need to read all his post
Everything he says sounds very nonchalant and for the lack of a better word: "simple" because that's how I assume he plays. Your case agaisnt him would hold water on litteraly any other player in this game, expect maybe Raurix(forgot how to spell his name). If you can find, cause i haven't, any contradiction or error in his posts that would look/point to him as scum I will most lickly vote for him. Untill then I will leave my vote on you out of desperation. As well as a experiment.
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Something just happened to my phone. It automatically posted that previous comment without my consent.
This post is the complete one.
His Wolf and Town play from previous game;
Serial Killer,
Town,
There's not much different can be found. Not interm of activity but interm of posting style.
But inside this game he said more things than he did in the previous games. But that very much still NAI.
So here we just experiencing new kind of META from him.
So to know whether the post coming from scum or not you need to read all his post and understand it. Also read the tone of the post.
This post is the complete one.
Why you couldn't see it as an odd behavior? And please define "any better than this" regarding to his play style to me. He stepping up his posting game doesn't automatically make him town.
His Wolf and Town play from previous game;
Serial Killer,
Town,
There's not much different can be found. Not interm of activity but interm of posting style.
But inside this game he said more things than he did in the previous games. But that very much still NAI.
So here we just experiencing new kind of META from him.
Like I said before, we're experiencing or being introduced to new META from him but its NAI.
So to know whether the post coming from scum or not you need to read all his post and understand it. Also read the tone of the post.
What he says sure sounds nonchalant. But don't look at the characteristic of his post but look at his line of thinking and direction of his post. See whether there's a connection between one post/comment to the next post/comment or no connection at all. Look at how he respond to request or how he handles a request. Did he responding to all the request? Did he respond properly?
I don't think so. I still couldn't find similar contradictions from AL, Sagebee, Shank, Luku, Alice etc
In the next post.
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If you could be more specific please..
I will be back later in the afternoon. I wnat to read thoroughly the posts.
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All Konan's post so far.
He started it by suspecting me and you. He thinks we're trying to prove that we're not scum. I think everyone going to do that, be it Scum or even Town. I don't know what kind of thinking he has. And then he said "meaning they trynna hide that either they're killer or cannibal". Lol why he separating "Cannibal" and "killer" here? All the killer roles are cannibal. Could be he's trying to be less direct because of afraid people would catch him in anytime if he slip. So he make himself to looked like someone who is noob/clueless to the setup/information of this game.
And he said he's going to be more specific but he not even stayed with his words.
And then we look at this chain of posts,
As We can see, there's your response to his accusation towards you. You told him this and that and at near the end of your post you threatened to vote him. And look at his reaction afterwards. He became obedient. "Yes ma'am"
And in the next post he begins to read you as innocent. But how his behavior suddenly change after reading your post??? Before that he pretty confident with his belief that you're scum pretending not to be scum. Did he found a town inside your post? Your post actually didn't really projecting a strong sign of being a town post because scum also can write that.
Or he actually moved by your threat to vote him? So he shut his mouth and innocent read you just because of that.
And then I found this,
I repeat again,
Because she "screamed" at him
So if scum "scream" at him he may read them as innocent too I guess.
And what is the meaning of "screamed" here?
I think this one,
You can't town clear someone because they are threatening to vote you but through proper reading and understanding of that player. But in Konan case he began with scum reading Red with confidence but then backpedaling after Red threatened to vote him if he still scum tunnel Red.
Negative point for him because of that.
Next I'm going to address my part,
His first reason,
So Red I want to ask you one question, would you believe any news/accusation without evidence?
His second reason,
Ok here Konan said Ansatsuken seems wanted Sagebee to be a killer type.
But how? This is clearly a made up statement and not a fact. And he also unable to provide me with an evidence to his accusation. Are you going to believe this Red?
And then he said I'm trying to hide when AL_sama talking about suspect(was suspecting) and putting Sagebee on the spot. Is what I'm saying here right Red?
So this reasoning doesn't make sense. Here at this moment I think Konan actually town read Sagebee.
And then comes the contradiction moment,
Here is the moment where unfairness kick in and also contradiction.
Do You still remember one of the reason why Konan suspecting me? Yes, he saw me wanting Sagebee to be a killer. Eventhough it's not even true. But now the dude himself believe that idea. He believes Sagebee could be a killer. He just changed his intention and perception on a whim. He can have anyone as scum if he feels like it. No second thought unless someone threaten him.
So what's this?
Double standard? Framing? False accusation?
He just contradicting himself. The accusation he threw at me when put side by side with his accusation he threw at Sagebee brings out clear contradiction.
Made matter worse many believe Sage is strong town. But Konan just ignored it. He clearly has his own Agenda here. So how people still sees him as town when he clearly targeting strong town players? He just gonna follow other people to vote and seeing me already had one vote he put his vote on me. Eliminating one of the most contributive player always going to be a good deal for scum.
And you also shouldn't miss this Red,
All Konan's post so far.
This is the beginning of all.
He started it by suspecting me and you. He thinks we're trying to prove that we're not scum. I think everyone going to do that, be it Scum or even Town. I don't know what kind of thinking he has. And then he said "meaning they trynna hide that either they're killer or cannibal". Lol why he separating "Cannibal" and "killer" here? All the killer roles are cannibal. Could be he's trying to be less direct because of afraid people would catch him in anytime if he slip. So he make himself to looked like someone who is noob/clueless to the setup/information of this game.
And he said he's going to be more specific but he not even stayed with his words.
And then we look at this chain of posts,
There are many things that look off here,
As We can see, there's your response to his accusation towards you. You told him this and that and at near the end of your post you threatened to vote him. And look at his reaction afterwards. He became obedient. "Yes ma'am"
And in the next post he begins to read you as innocent. But how his behavior suddenly change after reading your post??? Before that he pretty confident with his belief that you're scum pretending not to be scum. Did he found a town inside your post? Your post actually didn't really projecting a strong sign of being a town post because scum also can write that.
Or he actually moved by your threat to vote him? So he shut his mouth and innocent read you just because of that.
And then I found this,
He believes that Red is innocent because she "screamed" at him.
I repeat again,
Because she "screamed" at him
So if scum "scream" at him he may read them as innocent too I guess.
And what is the meaning of "screamed" here?
I think this one,
You look Red, he's not really town read you because he felt town vibes coming out from your post Red but he get threatened by your post. That's not really a town behavior Red but Scummy behavior.
You can't town clear someone because they are threatening to vote you but through proper reading and understanding of that player. But in Konan case he began with scum reading Red with confidence but then backpedaling after Red threatened to vote him if he still scum tunnel Red.
Negative point for him because of that.
Next I'm going to address my part,
Here Konan put his reasoning to vote me.
His first reason,
Here I've asked him to provide me the evidence/summary to his belief/idea. But he failed to provide me with any evidence.
So Red I want to ask you one question, would you believe any news/accusation without evidence?
His second reason,
I'm not a native speaker of English but can you confirm for me Red that my understanding of this post is correct.
Ok here Konan said Ansatsuken seems wanted Sagebee to be a killer type.
But how? This is clearly a made up statement and not a fact. And he also unable to provide me with an evidence to his accusation. Are you going to believe this Red?
And then he said I'm trying to hide when AL_sama talking about suspect(was suspecting) and putting Sagebee on the spot. Is what I'm saying here right Red?
So this reasoning doesn't make sense. Here at this moment I think Konan actually town read Sagebee.
And then comes the contradiction moment,
Look how Konan dancing with his suspecting play. Before Sagebee being one of his suspect Konan never registered Sagebee inside his scum radar. But all of sudden Sagebee became his suspect. Yeah I can see from where he started but the problem here he just suspecting without knowing anything about the issue that the player's involved in. He just wanted to suspect someone. He also starting to see Sagebee as a killer.
Here is the moment where unfairness kick in and also contradiction.
Do You still remember one of the reason why Konan suspecting me? Yes, he saw me wanting Sagebee to be a killer. Eventhough it's not even true. But now the dude himself believe that idea. He believes Sagebee could be a killer. He just changed his intention and perception on a whim. He can have anyone as scum if he feels like it. No second thought unless someone threaten him.
So what's this?
Double standard? Framing? False accusation?
He just contradicting himself. The accusation he threw at me when put side by side with his accusation he threw at Sagebee brings out clear contradiction.
Made matter worse many believe Sage is strong town. But Konan just ignored it. He clearly has his own Agenda here. So how people still sees him as town when he clearly targeting strong town players? He just gonna follow other people to vote and seeing me already had one vote he put his vote on me. Eliminating one of the most contributive player always going to be a good deal for scum.
And you also shouldn't miss this Red,
He still not giving me evidence
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