DBZ Super is garbage.
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If you think that THIS:
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looks better than THIS:
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...then you should visit a doctor as soon as possible.
Everything that DB Super created until now, is almost a crime to the two last movies, which were far better story-wise and had much more beautiful artwork.
It has already been said.. there was no need to re-do the movies with worse quality and bad plot-changes. They should've done something else if they couldn't start with the champa-arc right away. Something like only daily life of the Z-fighters between Buu saga and battle of gods, as well as covering the time between battle of gods and fukkatsu no f and some serious training of Goku/Vegeta with Whis, not retard-comedy were they are doing housework while wearing aprons.
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Perhaps you should read his post again. He's talking about in comparison to the original series, as in the one from the 90's, not the movies which were recently released. You can't expect the series to have movie level quality and misrepresenting his statements is pretty pathetic.
Also, storywise, Super is more coherent based on the fact that things are actually explained and not just shoehorned in there. On top of that the fights are better, or at least would be better if it had movie animation. I mean watch the ssg transformation in the series as compared to the movie, the movie had a simplistic short transformation, and the series had a drawn out majestic transformation, each served its purpose for the runtime, but the latter fits better as the transformation is more suitable for a god.
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Just an example of how some of the were positive.
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The thread-creator was talking about DB Super in comparison to the last two movies. And yeah, the guy I quoted was talking about DBZ without mentioning that, you are right.
But as already proven earlier, even DBZ looked way better overall than DBS. Especially in the Cell and Buu-saga.
I watched the Super Saiyan God transformation and it was done way better in the movie, the anime did an awful job. Do you have healthy eyes?
The biggest failure of Super in this scene was making Videls hair golden, besides the low artwork-quality. I don't know how people can like this shit.
As mentioned before, there is not a single legit reason to re-do the movies. They were fine and the anime could've explained everything important before and in between the movies. But instead they wasted a lot of money and a lot of time.
And I hate how they make Goku and Vegeta look weak.
For example.
Vegeta vs. Beerus was pure epicness in the movie, while in Super, Vegeta looked a lot weaker. And that's why I'm really afraid of the fight in my sig. Golden Frieza couldn't even touch Vegeta in fukkatsu no f, but looking at the anime, this will change for the worse.
But as already proven earlier, even DBZ looked way better overall than DBS. Especially in the Cell and Buu-saga.
I watched the Super Saiyan God transformation and it was done way better in the movie, the anime did an awful job. Do you have healthy eyes?
The biggest failure of Super in this scene was making Videls hair golden, besides the low artwork-quality. I don't know how people can like this shit.
As mentioned before, there is not a single legit reason to re-do the movies. They were fine and the anime could've explained everything important before and in between the movies. But instead they wasted a lot of money and a lot of time.
And I hate how they make Goku and Vegeta look weak.
For example.
Vegeta vs. Beerus was pure epicness in the movie, while in Super, Vegeta looked a lot weaker. And that's why I'm really afraid of the fight in my sig. Golden Frieza couldn't even touch Vegeta in fukkatsu no f, but looking at the anime, this will change for the worse.
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Legendary Saiyan
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First of all what you're complaining are the drawings, not animation. (Since animation requires a set of consecutive images, you can't judge it by a still image.)
In order to understand why the pictures look so bad you need to know a few things about animation (the 2D one in this example). When animating something you have to make a few drawings called keyframes. These drawings serve as the main points of a movement you're animating, in other words the extremes wich make a beginning and the end of a movement.
For example, let's look at the Goku punching Bills scene. The first keyframe would be a drawing in wich Goku's fist is right next to his hips, while the last keyframe would be the one where his hand is stretched all the way out as he's trying to hit Bills. Now, the rest of the frames, wich are drawings of his hand in positions that are all between the first and the last one, are called in-between frames.
These frames are rolled up pretty fast, as the movement (in this case it's a punch) needs to look real. Due to the eye not being able to notice those frames to such an extent, the animators put less work into the details of those frames. The keyframes are the things that the eye catches the best (since they usually have a slight pause when animation gets to them). That's why screenshoting in-between frames is a cheap way to fool people into thinking animation sucks.
That being said, animation isn't the problem, the quality of the drawing is. The reason people were able to notice a drop in quality is due to all frames being drawn badly. Even keyframes didn't have enough details on them. That's where all the commotion comes from. But seriously tough, this is one of the rare episodes with below-average quality. The most important scenes were handled in a solid manner.
Second, to accuse a Super of not having as good animation as that of Z, is really unfair. While it is true technology gives animators the ability to create stunning animation (just look at Fate Zero, AoT and OPM), the state of the anime industry is really bad, a lot worse than it was in the 90s.
You see, anime industry has suffered a great deal from piracy and closing of western companies. Most studios are on the verge of going bankrupt and the work conditions are really bad. Animators are paid very little and expected to do very much in a short time to top it off. To meet the deadlines they need to adapt to the tight schedule and a low budget. Compromises are extremely noticable in long-running series such as Naruto (wich suffered greatly after Five Kage Summit arc), Bleach (whose ratings were so bad, the studio couldn't cover all the costs of making it) and Super wich is the topic at hand. (Yes, it only got 24 eps but its obviously gonna run for a longer period of time.)
There are a lot more factors in there, such as the methods and tricks the animators used back in the day and those they use now, outsourcing etc.
With all that being said, Super indeed doesn't have the amount of detail Z had, but the animation in general is on a good level.
OT: Storywise, it's nothing great, but its a fun watch. It is true that they should give some other characters developement instead of just Goku this, Goku that, but as I said in some other threads, it's a sort of anime wich you just lay back and watch with your brain in sleep mode.
Also, comparing it to the movies is ridiculous since the movies had a way better cast of animators and a lot greater budget. Animating 105 minutes is a lot different from animating 20 minutes x who knows how many episodes.
While it's not as good as its predecessor (yet!), Super is a valuable piece in today's anime scene, wich is sadly dominated by otaku crap, instead of good shows for wich it became so popular.
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Tarkatower
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So. If the anime-industry is so bad right now.. then please tell me:
- why do they do a long-running anime on a weekly basis, if they already have shedule-problems. Wouldn't it be A LOT smarter if they make seasons with gaps between them like "Attack on Titan". ? The anime would be indeed "super" then, I can imagine.
- why do they waste time and money for 24 episodes until now ! to re-tell the events that already happened in the last two movies with better quality (not just artwork and animation, but also story-wise). They should've started right away with the Champa-stuff.
So. If the anime-industry is so bad right now.. then please tell me:
- why do they do a long-running anime on a weekly basis, if they already have shedule-problems. Wouldn't it be A LOT smarter if they make seasons with gaps between them like "Attack on Titan". ? The anime would be indeed "super" then, I can imagine.
- why do they waste time and money for 24 episodes until now ! to re-tell the events that already happened in the last two movies with better quality (not just artwork and animation, but also story-wise). They should've started right away with the Champa-stuff.
