DBZ - Overrated?

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I <3 Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball and GT is okay :) Lol. I don't think it is overrated. And I do agree, it's not as exciting and good as the first time you watched it but it's still good, I don't feel the same way as I did when I watched it the first time but it's still nice to watch the show. It was the first anime to bring me into the anime world. Yeah, I don't really like the style of it either because the people don't have faces like O_O which I like because it's funny but it's still a good show. And lot of manga artists are influenced by the show.

If only every DB/Z fan posted like this. See this is something I'm just fine with. I'd say it was enjoyable too, maybe not the best but alright in the long run. It was also one of my first anime along with the typical stuff like Pokemon and Yugioh.

This is a lot better than certain people in the thread going "Omg kid DBZ craps on all your anime and the fact that you disagree with me makes you wrong, now get out because I totally owned you in this debate." If only everyone was capable of civilized discussion.
 

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DBZ isn't overrated. I'm pretty sure that to this day it's STILL the most popular anime/manga ever.

Its been around over 25 years and it is still really popular, even though new content story wise hasn't come out in quite a while. For many anime fans, dragonball was the first anime show/manga they ever watched/read.

While i don't enjoy as much as i did when i was a kid anymore(partly because I've seen every episode like 100 times) there's no doubt its one of the greatest anime series ever.
 

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DBZ isn't overrated. I'm pretty sure that to this day it's STILL the most popular anime/manga ever.

Its been around over 25 years and it is still really popular, even though new content story wise hasn't come out in quite a while. For many anime fans, dragonball was the first anime show/manga they ever watched/read.

While i don't enjoy as much as i did when i was a kid anymore(partly because I've seen every episode like 100 times) there's no doubt its one of the greatest anime series ever.

It's been around for 27 years in actual fact. The franchise is still going strong, plus it's still #1 till today. People don't realise how impressive and mind blowing that feat is. No other Anime will accomplish that. This is what makes DB unsurpassable.
 
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So apparently this survey comes from the World Cosplay Summit, correct? Well it just so happens that the location of said event is in Japan. I'll admit that I overlooked the bit about people from 20 different countries, but that still doesn't mean much because it doesn't mean it represents 20 countries, it means that people FROM 20 different countries came to this event. It's not like they went around to 20 different countries for this survey or did it on the web (unless I am misunderstanding in which case you are free to correct me). Just as I said, if the source itself was Japanese then obviously it represents Japan itself more than anything. Do you think that the entire Russian fanbase has the interest or the budget to fly over all the way to Japan for a single cosplay event? As big as it is and as much as people might like to, that's unrealistic and coming from experience I know that as much as I would like to go to some out of states anime event, I'm not gonna be able to and nobody else I personally know will either. All that the site is suggesting is that a specific set of certain visitors from said countries gave their votes (a big event will obviously draw in people from other places regardless) but it does NOT at all indicate the "worldwide" opinion that you have been proclaiming and it's shameful that I almost overlooked this point just because it pointed out "20 countries." In short, it is just as I claimed earlier, even if it is not SOLELY restricted to Japan the vast majority by far consists of the Japanese fanbase. And if we're gonna take a look at Japanese influence then again, One Piece has the highest sales so the idea that DBZ is "by far" the best, if even the best at all is far-fetched considering it is now being outsold in the very country you got your survey from. Don't take the words "20 countries" to mean that every anime fan in every area of all 20 of these countries actually and sincerely believes that this is the top 10 best list of anime/manga. The event's location alone is utter proof that most of those votes came from Japanese fans, and the fact that visitors were present in other countries advertises the influence of the convention more than this "worldwide belief" that you seem to be devoted to.

Now, ignoring the holes in your argument, let's for one second suppose that what you're saying IS right, and that in the end most of the world DOES respect DB/Z as the "best anime/manga ever." That argument STILL relies completely on the notion that a lot of people liking something a lot automatically makes it the best. By this logic Twilight is one of the best stories of all time because it happens to have a pretty huge fanbase. Sure there are huge flocks of people who despise it, but just about as many fangirls are sure to adore it. Again, popularity=/=quality. Otherwise Bleach would automatically be one of the best stories out there even though there are so many flaws with it I feel bad that I really used to be a huge fan of it. The fact that a lot of people could get into a simple story because they didn't need the dedication to keep up with an actual plot in favor of watching a random episode of fast-paced fighting or kid-appropriate adventuring does not mean it is without a doubt the best, it just means that it was convenient for a lot of people to get into. It's not the same with Geass, where if you step into it anywhere past the first like 5 episodes you're lost as all hell. It's not the same with Clannad where if you don't start from episode 1, you don't know or care about any character the way you have to. It's not the same with Steins;Gate where if you don't begin it properly, you cannot appreciate the true value of its story.

DBZ's appeal is that it's easy to introduce to someone and that even if they didn't start from the beginning, they don't really NEED to if they want to see what it is about and that's why it's so popular. But objectively you still haven't given me a reason why as a plot it is superior to all these other stories out there. The fact that you're completely ignoring the examples I have given that shut down your logic and that you focus solely on a single aspect of the argument (which relies heavily on one survey representing the opinion of the entire world) makes your stance very questionable. If you're so desperate to defend DBZ that you resort to stupid reputation negs (on posts having nothing to do with the reason you gave the neg for at that) and flame in every single post then it's clear that you're being blinded by fanboyism more than anything else and desperate to pick me out because you can't stand the idea that not everyone in the world agrees with your opinion. Maybe I wouldn't have a problem if you could actually present your opinion in an educated, well-mannered way but you seem to have this notion that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is wrong and that you're the only person who's right and let me break it to you: not everyone agrees with you and you have to deal with it.

Ok, you out of thousands of people disagree that DBZ isn't the best. Bye.
 

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It's been around for 27 years in actual fact. The franchise is still going strong, plus it's still #1 till today. People don't realise how impressive and mind blowing that feat is. No other Anime will be accomplish that. This is what makes DB unsurpassable.
Where did you get this information?
 

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I watched DBZ back when I was a kid and at the time I really enjoyed it(almost entirely because of the fights). However, looking at it now, it's nothing special tbh, the plot isn't good, and it's very repetitive. Sure, it's a classic, but why do so many people say that it is the best anime of all time?

I agree with you bro.

To me there's different types of anime

One with a proper storyline: One Piece/Naruto

One without a proper storyline: Bleach/DBZ

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Argue all you want, Dbz didn't have a proper storyline.

So yeah, looking back, Dbz is kinda mediocre...

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So yes, I am saying Dbz is not the best :)
 

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When i have nothing to do, i close the curtains and do a DBZ DVD Marathon.

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Lol dude, can you read? "To celebrate anime/manga-style, the popular Japanese analytics and survey company, Oricon, gathered the opinions of the general public at an event known as the World Cosplay Summit."A local survey doesn't prove anything. I'm sorry to break your heart but DBZ is no longer the most popular anime in the world.
 

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Lol dude, can you read? "To celebrate anime/manga-style, the popular Japanese analytics and survey company, Oricon, gathered the opinions of the general public at an event known as the World Cosplay Summit."A local survey doesn't prove anything. I'm sorry to break your heart but DBZ is no longer the most popular anime in the world.

You're hurting his beliefs! He not gonna take that lightly lol.
 

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Lol dude, can you read? "To celebrate anime/manga-style, the popular Japanese analytics and survey company, Oricon, gathered the opinions of the general public at an event known as the World Cosplay Summit."A local survey doesn't prove anything. I'm sorry to break your heart but DBZ is no longer the most popular anime in the world.

Of course it's still the most popular Anime in the world. Have you even saw the Manga sales?
 

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DBZ didn't have a plot? I wasn't aware. We must be talking about crappy GT here... and even then that still had a plot.
 

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DBZ didn't have a plot? I wasn't aware. We must be talking about crappy GT here... and even then that still had a plot.

Could you perhaps enlighten me on the plot? As the base plot of Dbz was either non-existent or very thin...

Base Plot of One Piece: Luffy trying to become Pirate king and finding One Piece

Naruto: Naruto trying to bring back his best friend from the dark side and bringing peace to the world.
 

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It's not that DB/DBZ didn't have a plot, but that it was split into different villains/arcs basically. There was still recurring themes and what not.

Plot-wise dbz was pretty solid up until frieza died. Goku, a saiyan who was sent to earth to destroy it, but hit his head and forgot his mission, is one of the last surviving members of his race, who were exterminated by an evil ridiculously powerful warlord named frieza. The last few saiyans left come to earth with the intention of recruiting Goku and destroying the planet. Blah blah blah ii'm sure you all get the picture.

After that it got less so, but there was still story, hence plot. You literally can't have a story without a plot. IMO DBZ should have ended after the defeat of cell. with Goku dying and passing the torch to Gohan. I think this was actually toriyama's plan to begin with, but a bunch of fans complained because they wanted Goku back.



Anyway, DB is very enjoyable and i actually prefer it over DBZ, but i love DBZ as well. I'm not very fond of the buu saga though, and i didn't like GT very much.
 
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It's not that DB/DBZ didn't have a plot, but that it was split into different villains/arcs basically. There was still recurring themes and what not.

Plot-wise dbz was pretty solid up until frieza died. Goku, a saiyan who was sent to earth to destroy it, but hit his head and forgot his mission, is one of the last surviving members of his race, who were exterminated by an evil ridiculously powerful warlord named frieza. The last few saiyans left come to earth with the intention of recruiting Goku and destroying the planet. Blah blah blah ii'm sure you all get the picture.

After that it got less so, but there was still story, hence plot. You literally can't have a story without a plot. IMO DBZ should have ended after the defeat of cell. with Goku dying and passing the torch to Gohan. I think this was actually toriyama's plan to begin with, but a bunch of fans complained because they wanted Goku back.



Anyway, DB is very enjoyable and i actually prefer it over DBZ, but i love DBZ as well. I'm not very fond of the buu saga though, and i didn't like GT very much.

you know i heard toryiamas plot was to have just this happen.
but then when people complained he did the same thing in the buu saga, giving gohan mystic form. then i guess he changed it last minute and did the whole vegito thing and the rest has been history.
personally buu saga is my favorite.....vegeta goes HAM.
 

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DBZ isn't overrated. I'm pretty sure that to this day it's STILL the most popular anime/manga ever.

Its been around over 25 years and it is still really popular, even though new content story wise hasn't come out in quite a while. For many anime fans, dragonball was the first anime show/manga they ever watched/read.

While i don't enjoy as much as i did when i was a kid anymore(partly because I've seen every episode like 100 times) there's no doubt its one of the greatest anime series ever.

It's definitely pretty popular, but even then Bleach is pretty popular and aside from Soul Society arc, I really can't say that it's good. DB/Z is certainly superior to Bleach at its worst but the point is that popularity=/=quality.

I don't know about one of the greatest anime series ever, it's pretty good but plotwise the anime world has so much more to offer in my opinion.

It's been around for 27 years in actual fact. The franchise is still going strong, plus it's still #1 till today. People don't realise how impressive and mind blowing that feat is. No other Anime will accomplish that. This is what makes DB unsurpassable.

Still #1? Says who? Do you have any actual proof of this or are you just making up things again?

Ok, you out of thousands of people disagree that DBZ isn't the best. Bye.

Concession accepted. The fact that you don't have a single legitimate argument to make against my case proves that you don't HAVE anything left to argue. It's funny how you can't even bring a legitimate argument for any sources you DO find and shove around the idea that your opinion is the only valid one even though you've danced around every single point of mine.

DBZ didn't have a plot? I wasn't aware. We must be talking about crappy GT here... and even then that still had a plot.

What DBZ has doesn't really count as much of a plot for me. Sure, there is a purpose to it all but every arc consists of some random villain threatening the heroes and Earth and it's all about how they have to save the world and beat the bad guys. I guess you could call it a plot, but it's not a very substantial one. It's pretty basic and more than anything else what carries DBZ is the action and nothing more. DB had the martial arts and adventure factor in its favor at least but if you don't like Z's action it has absolutely nothing to offer really.

It's not that DB/DBZ didn't have a plot, but that it was split into different villains/arcs basically. There was still recurring themes and what not.

Plot-wise dbz was pretty solid up until frieza died. Goku, a saiyan who was sent to earth to destroy it, but hit his head and forgot his mission, is one of the last surviving members of his race, who were exterminated by an evil ridiculously powerful warlord named frieza. The last few saiyans left come to earth with the intention of recruiting Goku and destroying the planet. Blah blah blah ii'm sure you all get the picture.

After that it got less so, but there was still story, hence plot. You literally can't have a story without a plot. IMO DBZ should have ended after the defeat of cell. with Goku dying and passing the torch to Gohan. I think this was actually toriyama's plan to begin with, but a bunch of fans complained because they wanted Goku back.



Anyway, DB is very enjoyable and i actually prefer it over DBZ, but i love DBZ as well. I'm not very fond of the buu saga though, and i didn't like GT very much.

If anything that seemed like it served more for character development than the plot, and really that was one of the very few legitimate instances of character development throughout the whole story. Obviously characters like Vegeta and Piccolo got development but almost everyone else was pretty static, even from the first DB. Not to mention some of the people who were awesome in DB (namely Yajirobe) became fodder in Z.

As for the story itself, it wasn't really all that strong. I think my main issue though is that it's the exact same thing for the entirety of the anime. Protect Earth from baddies, succeed but lose good guys in process, go through trouble (which later ends up not being trouble at all) to get Dragon Balls to revive friends, repeat process until anime is done. Again, it really was the action that carried Z more than anything else and that's why most of us loved it so much as kids: because the action looks cool. It also happens to be why I personally enjoy the DBZ games way more than the anime itself.
 

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Wow wow wow. I'm only 12 don't write so much :(
Cookie..you forgot that Naruto wanted to be Hokage too! :D
DRAGON BALL Z IS GOOD AND THAT'S FINAL! :)
 

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Could you perhaps enlighten me on the plot? As the base plot of Dbz was either non-existent or very thin...

Base Plot of One Piece: Luffy trying to become Pirate king and finding One Piece

Naruto: Naruto trying to bring back his best friend from the dark side and bringing peace to the world.

DBZ: The adventures of the adult Goku who, along with his companions (Z-Fighters), defends the earth against an assortment of villains ranging from intergalactic space fighters and conquerors, unnaturally powerful androids and nearly indestructible magical creatures? xD

Personally, I didn't feel that it was the plot itself that made DBZ so great. It was the emotion and action within it. I haven't seen any other anime capture sadness and anger the way it did for Goku when he transformed into a Super Saiyan for the very first time. Naruto, which looks up to DBZ, attempts to capture the same emotion in both Naruto and Sasuke, but it's just not as intense to me. Same with Gohan when turning Super Saiyan 2 (that one was pretty brief though).
 
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In a way this forum did get me thinking, and Don't get me wrong , I love DBZ since it was the first manga and Anime that I payed attention to as a kid and theirs times I still watch it. I felt it was about Goku overcoming what he was suppose to be and changing those around him. The plot wasn't that strong but I think the characters were enjoyable to watch, and each of them unique.
 
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