Darui vs Zabuza

[EZQ]

If only Shaneyyy were still here...

lmao i miss that guy.

I'm trying to be his replacement but there's no one like him. Hell he'd even argue Zabuza vs Hiruzen

 

[EZQ]

It doesn't need speed feats, Db says it's fast. No, I don't think it's the speed of lightning, but it's fast regardless. Deal with it, your denying of Databook is irrelevant as the author's word holds 1000 times the amount of value that yours does.

What is this? lmao. Zetsu dodged it, period. Now databook is as legit as manga?

Zabuza is also fast, deal with it.

Shitty logic.

Since when did Shunshin have to be 100 meters for it to be good? The distance Darui covered was the average distance that Shunshin usually is used for. Please get me Kakashi's Part 1 amazing speed feats. Until then, you have no argument and Darui~v1 Ay speed.

There's absolutely no proof that Ay was traveling near his top speed at that moment (on v1) so this is just an assumption. I already told you, by this logic, Hiruzen has the same sunshin Tobirama has, since they both arrived the same place at the same time.
I never said Kakashi has amazing speed feats, he's just above average (the fact that he can use Raikiri confirms that his speed creates the highneted flesh effect), all that plus the portrayal he has of the n1 jonnin in Konoha, and he's known as a fast shinobi, we've seen it a lot of times. While Gin and Kin don't have neither feats, portrayal or any indication to be above average in speed.

Darui's speed is not enough to make any difference here, since Zabuza is above average in speed too. All you've proven is that Darui's speed is above average, so he's not stoping Zabuza from creating the mist from that distance since their speed is roughly the same.

Something you can't deny is that Kakashi's reflexes > Gin and Kin''s, sharingan pre-cog is enough to make this statement, and yet, Zabuza caught Kakashi out of guard with one of his sunshin, so there you go.

Um Darui can Shunshin and do the 2 hand seals at around the same speed that it takes Zabuza to make the 1 hand seal and release the Mist. Doesn't matter though, because the whole area gets electrocuted, Zabuza not being visible doesn't make him immune to electrocution.

The bold is pure speculation. Zabuza made 8 hand seals (for water prison) before kakashi could even move. And if Darui does it while using sunshin then Zabuza does the same. If the whole area gets eletrocuted it doesn't matter, since ZETSU WAS ABLE TO DODGE IT AND LAND ON THE BEACH, ZABUZA DOES THE SAME, AND ONCE HE LANDS HE'S ALREADY COVERED IN THE MIST, AND DARUI LOSES HIM, THAT'S THE END.

Darui's speed accounts for it. He's doing all the movement that Black Panther would otherwise need to cover by using his Shunshin. Then Black Panther releases and regardless of where Zabuza goes he'll still be electrocuted.

Zabuza would be moving too, he's not stationary. He jumps out of the water where he's safe.

He has no reason to shunshin backwards without intel, so it's not happening.

Darui making 2 hand seals is enough reason. Plus, that's how he started the first fight against Kakashi, read the scan i showed you first. He sunshin'ed back from the tree.

Anyways, its not necessary. Black panther won't get him, he sunshins back once the panther is released.

Being someone who shat on Tobirama and Raikage II does make you a speedster category because having that level of power means you'd have comparable level of speed. And considered fast by other slow, part 1 Characters. Amazing.

Pure speculation. Nagato is slow and still he's very powerful. We already saw Kin and Gin fighting and they're not fast at all, they just need to touch their opponent once and they win, so their fighting style doesn't revolve on speed.

Again, it doesn't need to be aimed at Zabuza. It one shots from a distance and Darui hears the screams, cherishes them, and then releases another Black Panther.

Again, zetsu dodged it.

Retarded, because it's only this effective in a water location.

Still, its overrating the technique, a lot.

Yet its power can end Zabuza, so that makes Zabuza even less impressive. Zabuza's speed feats are garbage. They are trash which has been out-scaled tremendously. And no, they aren't. Stop appealing to ignorance.

Zabuza speed blitzed a sharingan user and now his speed is garbage? lmao

Gin and Kin are not faster than pt1 Kakashi in any means, and there's not even evidence of them being above average in speed

Proof that those Zetsu's and that Kakuzu were evading? Because there's no reason to believe those Zetsu were even there to begin with. On the other hand, you see dozens of Zetsu's who couldn't even react, so that should tell you that the other Zetsu's didn't react and jump, since they are identical. Sounding like a feats or gtfo debater, but at the end of the day all you are doing is appealing to ignorance because the cum on your screen is blinding you from realising how Darui's Black Lightning can trash your boi Zabuza.

1- Clearly, the zetsu's that didn't evade it were the ones closer to the technique and couldn't react, or simply their distance to the panther was too close to get out of its range on time.

2- The zetsus that dodged it were the ones that reacted to it. You want proof of the Zetsus being there on the first place? Those zetsus were the ones going along with Kakuzu, and he was walking on the water at that moment.

3- You are the one who has cum on the screen, just of seeing Darui release his unnimpresive jutsu.

 

[EZQ]

Can you show me when did this happen? 2.Darui can close the distance and guide his BL and Laser Circus.

BL can't be guided, it can be pointed. Zabuza can keep increasing the distance with sunshin.

How does this make any sense? Totally different situations. I agree than shunshin is different from jumping but this comparison is way off. Why?

1-Zabusa noticed something was coming from underground, tried to jump but still got caught by the ninken

2-Kaguya didn't notice Sakura until it was too late. She kept flying upwards since she was focused on the Naruto and Sasuke. Kaguya wasn't even aware of Sakura's presence because she was focused on Naruto and Sasuke. Literally was flying towards Sakura's direction , while Sakura was falling down smfh.

It's the same. Kaguya noticed Sakura when it was too late, while Zabuza noticed there was something underground (but still, he didn't jump, since there was no reason to, he was just hearing things) then, when the floor broke, he tried to jump and couldn't make it on time.

They both noticed they needed to dodge when it was too late.

Also, this has nothing to do with Zabuza sunshin speed, it is about his reaction speed, which wasn't being argued in the first place.

I already showed you feats of keeping up with Ay, protecting his teammates blind apot, executing fast consecutive movements against Kin&Him. The Ay feat alone puts him.above P1 Kakashi. Take the time to read when you reply, okay?

There's no reason to believe Ay was going as fast as he can go in v1, since we've seen him go even faster in v1. Darui's speed is not on v1 Ay's level. Tsuande also matched his speed, but Ay wasn't going at his top speed.

Executing fast and consecutive movements talks about Darui's sttriking speed, which wasn't being argued on the first place.

Smh the downplaying is real. There are several feats that show Darui is faster. Darui didn't have major troubles dodging the tail swipe. Tail swipes are considered pretty fast. Recall Orochimaru vs KN4 fight.(can't post many scans right now) And btw I'm not trying to say Kin&Gin forms=KN4 in speed.

Bold: then what is this about?

Dodging an attack from a Kin on kiuuby cloak is not that impressive unless we say Kin = KN4 in speed. Darui's speed is above average, so its obvious he's going to dodge a linear atack, as the tail slash is.

I didnt reply to your #2 because you've rehashed the same thing over and over. All you've done here is ignore Darui's speed feats repeat the same things and label them as not impressive. Darui has feats of keeping up with Ay, guiding his BL and LC which were noted both to be fast in the manga.

Darui's speed feats put him on above average in speed. Not enough for a speed blitz. While the black panther was never showed to be "guided" it can only be pointed, and even zetsu dodged it. Darui's laser circus is bis best shot against Zabuza, but LS'S feats are not enough to say he can get Zabuza from a 20 m distance. Once the mist is on, Darui won't be able to guide them, since he'd be blinded, and the missiles dont have a mind of their own.

Smh learn to read. His eyes being shut off doesn't change the fact that he heard the ninken coming, tried to jump, but still got caught/outsped on his right foot. 2-Zabusa opened his eyes when he heard noise right before the ninken crawled above the ground.

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Kakashi's statement only holds relevance because of the next page where he explains that he purposefully laced Zabusa's weapon with his blood.

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Zabuza only opened his eyes when the ground was already broken. As i already quoted before, it was already too late.

Had Zabusa's not tried to jump or notice beforehand the noise of the ninken, then you'd have a point. He was outsped in close range even though he tried to jump. End of story.

First of all, this is not outspeeding, Zabuza didn't know what was happening until it was too late, this is calling "CATCHING OUT OF GUARD"

Second of all, this talks about his reaction speed, not his sunshin.

 

[EZQ]

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Damn, is there really people arguing that a jutsu that was dodged by WZ is going to get Zabuza?

 

[Beans2]

Since when does Darui start off with Black Panther in battles? Especially 1v1? I doubt he is blitzing Zabuza with that before he puts up mist. I think Zabuza wins this.

 

[Curse Mark]

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Damn, is there really people arguing that a jutsu that was dodged by WZ is going to get Zabuza?

I hate to be the one to throw out a crucial part of our own argument but this has been going on for pages now... Manga reads right to left.. Are you saying those zetsus and Kakuzu dodged the attack after it hit?

 

[Mystikk]

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Damn, is there really people arguing that a jutsu that was dodged by WZ is going to get Zabuza?

Either way darui takes this low dif.

Zabuza cant beat kakashi without sharingan... an i believe darui is about kakashi level w/o sharingan.

With sharingan kakashi destroys zabuza and darui ms kamui snipe gg

 

[Zexion~]

I hate to be the one to throw out a crucial part of our own argument but this has been going on for pages now... Manga reads right to left.. Are you saying those zetsus and Kakuzu dodged the attack after it hit?

You can see it strikes the water before we see Kakuzu and Zetsu jumping.


As for the argument in general you can clearly see the entire squad of Zetsu was on the water

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then jumped and were right above Darui's squad

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(notice the same spikes) Its shown to strike the water before we see them in the air as well so they most likely evaded it.

 

[Vanto]

I honestly never thought this topic would last for more than one page.

 

[EZQ]

I hate to be the one to throw out a crucial part of our own argument but this has been going on for pages now... Manga reads right to left.. Are you saying those zetsus and Kakuzu dodged the attack after it hit?

zexion explained it pretty well. The kakuzu avoiding part was off paneled, but they were on the water when darui released the technique, so they obviously evaded it. They jumped before the technique reached the water but it wasn't showed.

 

[EZQ]

Either way darui takes this low dif.

Zabuza cant beat kakashi without sharingan... an i believe darui is about kakashi level w/o sharingan.

With sharingan kakashi destroys zabuza and darui ms kamui snipe gg

This is obviously a troll post.

 

[Icelerate]

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Damn, is there really people arguing that a jutsu that was dodged by WZ is going to get Zabuza?

How can you say that Zetsu dodged it when we see a horde of Zetsu clones get hit? The other targets that did not get hit was because black lightning's AoE wasn't large enough to hit all of them.

 

[Curse Mark]

zexion explained it pretty well. The kakuzu avoiding part was off paneled, but they were on the water when darui released the technique, so they obviously evaded it. They jumped before the technique reached the water but it wasn't showed.

Fair enough, I can't really say for sure about what happened there. Zabuza still wins tho

 

[EZQ]

How can you say that Zetsu dodged it when we see a horde of Zetsu clones get hit? The other targets that did not get hit was because black lightning's AoE wasn't large enough to hit all of them.

No. A lightining panther of that size is obviously big enough to cover a huge area if its on the water. When a lightining bolt hits the water it covers a large area, and lightining panther is larger and stronger than 1 lightining bolt.

The zetsus that didn't dodge were the ones closer to darui at that moment and didn't have enough time to react. The zetsus that were next to Kakuzu obviously reacted, since they jumped, unless you're implying that the lightining panther just didn't get them even if it was spread by water, which is ridiculouss.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Does deidara lazer circuts r homing ? If not I c zabuza winning more times then not as everyone said hidden mist silent killing combo is deadly

 

[EZQ]

Does deidara lazer circuts r homing ? If not I c zabuza winning more times then not as everyone said hidden mist silent killing combo is deadly

Darui's laser circus can be guided, but Darui is the one who controls it, and if he can't see Zabuza then he can't guide them to him. And as an offensive atack is not that useful due to the lack of fire power. They landed a full hit on edo Kinkkaku and he didn't even show to regenerate.

 

[Apêx1]

What is this? lmao. Zetsu dodged it, period. Now databook is as legit as manga?

Zabuza is also fast, deal with it.

Shitty logic.

Zetsu were shown jumping on the next panel. How can they jump if the jutsu had already been used? Do you believe they move so much faster then the other Zetsu, despite identical reaction speed, that they will finish their jump while the other ones couldn't even react? Yea, makes no sense at all.

There's absolutely no proof that Ay was traveling near his top speed at that moment (on v1) so this is just an assumption. I already told you, by this logic, Hiruzen has the same sunshin Tobirama has, since they both arrived the same place at the same time.
I never said Kakashi has amazing speed feats, he's just above average (the fact that he can use Raikiri confirms that his speed creates the highneted flesh effect), all that plus the portrayal he has of the n1 jonnin in Konoha, and he's known as a fast shinobi, we've seen it a lot of times. While Gin and Kin don't have neither feats, portrayal or any indication to be above average in speed.

Of course, Ay will travel at a speed slower then normal because he wants to kill Sasuke and avenge his brother. Do you see the logic? Because I sure as hell don't. Ay travelled at full speed because he did. Stop being in denial because you can't comprehend how underrated Darui is smh. There's no proof they used Shunshin the whole way through, so that logic doesn't work. Physical running speed has no relationship with Shunshin speed. Sasuke in part 1 could use Chidori, using Raikiri doesn't make Kakashi's speed 'good' in any way. And lol @bold. His hype is incomparably shittier then Kin/Gin who Ay thought he needed to personally go fight because they were too powerful. And no, he's not known as a 'fast' Shinobi in any way that Kin and Gin wouldn't. Kin and Gin's hype shits all over Kakashi's, they beat the Raikage and Tobirama after all. Get out of here with this bullshit fan-fic.

Darui's speed is not enough to make any difference here, since Zabuza is above average in speed too. All you've proven is that Darui's speed is above average, so he's not stoping Zabuza from creating the mist from that distance since their speed is roughly the same.

Something you can't deny is that Kakashi's reflexes > Gin and Kin''s, sharingan pre-cog is enough to make this statement, and yet, Zabuza caught Kakashi out of guard with one of his sunshin, so there you go.

Um, it definitely is. He's outright shitting on him with his comparable speed to v1 Ay. He closes the distance with ease and uses BL. GG.

Part 1 Kakashi's? They're subpar. And I'd like the scan so I can judge myself, pretty sure you're referring to the one within the Mist, where the Sharingan's useless.

The bold is pure speculation. Zabuza made 8 hand seals (for water prison) before kakashi could even move. And if Darui does it while using sunshin then Zabuza does the same. If the whole area gets eletrocuted it doesn't matter, since ZETSU WAS ABLE TO DODGE IT AND LAND ON THE BEACH, ZABUZA DOES THE SAME, AND ONCE HE LANDS HE'S ALREADY COVERED IN THE MIST, AND DARUI LOSES HIM, THAT'S THE END.

Darui is far faster then part 1 Kakashi. Zetsu didn't dodge it either, learn to read manga from right to left before you start trying to debate. It's a complete assumption to say they dodged it after half the Zetsu were shown electrocuted.

Zabuza would be moving too, he's not stationary. He jumps out of the water where he's safe.

Darui decides when it triggers within the water, so he waits for Zabuza to land.

Darui making 2 hand seals is enough reason. Plus, that's how he started the first fight against Kakashi, read the scan i showed you first. He sunshin'ed back from the tree.

Anyways, its not necessary. Black panther won't get him, he sunshins back once the panther is released.

Not gonna restate the thing I said like 10 times now, lol.

Pure speculation. Nagato is slow and still he's very powerful. We already saw Kin and Gin fighting and they're not fast at all, they just need to touch their opponent once and they win, so their fighting style doesn't revolve on speed.

Terrible comparison because Nagato is crippled. Get me a strong guy with immense hype that's slow. That's right, nobody worth mentioning.

Again, zetsu dodged it.

This is making you look stupider by the second.

Still, its overrating the technique, a lot.



Zabuza speed blitzed a sharingan user and now his speed is garbage? lmao

Gin and Kin are not faster than pt1 Kakashi in any means, and there's not even evidence of them being above average in speed

Not at all, it's just powerful and you don't want to accept that.

Bring me the scan of him outright blitzing Kakashii outside of the Mist. I'll wait.

P1 Kakashi has some amazing feats/hype. I'll wait on them tho lmfao.

1- Clearly, the zetsu's that didn't evade it were the ones closer to the technique and couldn't react, or simply their distance to the panther was too close to get out of its range on time.

2- The zetsus that dodged it were the ones that reacted to it. You want proof of the Zetsus being there on the first place? Those zetsus were the ones going along with Kakuzu, and he was walking on the water at that moment.

3- You are the one who has cum on the screen, just of seeing Darui release his unnimpresive jutsu.

Do I really need to tell you reading the manga from the left to the right isn't the right way to do it?

Again.

Sounds like you're reaching, make a decent counter for BL or I won't even bother replying to your trash arguments.

 

[Curse Mark]

Zetsu were shown jumping on the next panel. How can they jump if the jutsu had already been used? Do you believe they move so much faster then the other Zetsu, despite identical reaction speed, that they will finish their jump while the other ones couldn't even react? Yea, makes no sense at all..

I guess you're welcome for that first paragraph that coincidentally no one mentioned for pages until I did.

 

[Apêx1]

I guess you're welcome for that first paragraph that coincidentally no one mentioned for pages until I did.

Thank you I guess. I couldn't even see the link because my internet is pretty shit in this vacation. Would take me over 10 mins to load depending on where I am.

 

[Uchiha Itachi7839]

Darui goes for the win in this. Darui has more chakra reserve then zabuza as well as hw is a bettr swordsman. He has hell amount of stamina as displayed in the war. And zabuza has bo chance if winning against his black lightning as dont forget lightning is always superior then water.