blackstar9
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did he start his fight with kakashi using the mist ? or was that on their second encounter ?
Darui vs Zabuza
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Shikamaru101
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Darui wins. To counter the mist, he can create four black panthers (one at a time) and shoot them all in four directions. Darui has the chakra to do this so don't say he won't be able to. Also, by your logic, anyone who can not sense loses to Zabuza then?
Lee and Guy both reacted to Haku with the mist present and both have NO sensing abilities. Darui more than capable of finding Zabuza in the mist and finishing off with Black Panther or Storm Release.
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Lee and Guy both reacted to Haku with the mist present and both have NO sensing abilities. Darui more than capable of finding Zabuza in the mist and finishing off with Black Panther or Storm Release.
Horrible reasoning. You're saying he will shoot Black Panthers in four directions?
1. Zabuza will obviously hear them clearly so all he has to do is jump out of the way to avoid. The technique is very loud unlike Kakashi's Ninken who moved very quietly underground so Zabuza will of course not be surprised and will have the time to avoid.
2. Four directions you say? So North, South, East, and West? What if Zabuza is standing in Northeast or Northwest? Or Southeast or Southwest? There's too little of a chance Darui will hit Zabuza with randomly shooting Black Panthers. Also, you said Darui will be shooting them one at a time, so if the first couple of times doesn't even come Zabuza's way, he will know what Darui is up to and move in the places Darui already targeted.
How by my logic anyone who can't sense loses? I am specifically talking about Darui here so why go into depth with other abilities that Darui doesn't have that can counter the mist? That was just a very ignorant thing to say. Byakugan, Fuuton, a good sense of smell, very protective Earth Jutsu, etc. all counter mist.
Lee and Guy both reacted to Haku in the mist? Haku doesn't even know Silent Killing. It doesn't even say he does in Narutopedia. Haku was randomly going through the mist and striking ninja with senbon. Zabuza, however, knows Silent Killing and no one even comes close to him at it (so even if Haku was using Silent Killing, you can't compare it to Zabuza's).
So you're saying Darui is more than capable of finding Zabuza in the mist? Ok then helcome Part 1 Kakashi couldn't even find Zabuza in the mist and he even had Sharingan and better senses than Darui? No, helcome Part 2 Kakashi couldn't even find Zabuza in the mist so he needed to get help from Santa Yamanaka (sensor)? You're saying Darui can find Zabuza? So you''re basically putting him above Kakashi? You're arguments are just awful.
Hey at least you tried to give reasoning, unlike the others.
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Shikamaru101
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I think you missed my main point. With the mist present, both Lee and Guy were able to comprehend Haku before he could attack. Hence, the mist was not able to stop them from seeing and acting. Lee is a Chuunin with only taijutsu, so if he was able to comprehend someone in the mist whether it be Haku, i believe Darui would also be able to. I know it is ABC logic but considering we haven't seen full extent from Darui, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think otherwise. And to reiterate i am not talking about the Silent Killing of Haku or Zabuza but both Lee and Guy could still respond in the mist.
Regarding the Black Panther, several in different directions are sure to pinpoint the location of Zabuza. Darui is highly intelligent, no denying it. Or, he could surround himself in a moat of water and electrocute it with Lightning Style. If Zabuza gets too close on the ground, he gets electrocuted and all Darui has to do is watch the air and use Laser Circuis to finish him off.
If you do reply, i may not reply back due to i knowing that you will never admit Zabuza losing. But i have to say you convinced me enough for Darui to win 6/7 times out of 10. Thank you for this short debate.
Regarding the Black Panther, several in different directions are sure to pinpoint the location of Zabuza. Darui is highly intelligent, no denying it. Or, he could surround himself in a moat of water and electrocute it with Lightning Style. If Zabuza gets too close on the ground, he gets electrocuted and all Darui has to do is watch the air and use Laser Circuis to finish him off.
If you do reply, i may not reply back due to i knowing that you will never admit Zabuza losing. But i have to say you convinced me enough for Darui to win 6/7 times out of 10. Thank you for this short debate.
ILikeBigYolos
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U didn't give any reason how Darui wins so stfu
You still don't get it. You think you aren't talking about Silent Killing but you actually are. I'm going to make this very clear, Silent Killing is when you move silently to kill your opponent. Haku doesn't know Silent Killing so he wasn't silent in the mist. Since he wasn't silent, Guy and Lee heard him so they were able to make out where he was. If Haku knew silent killing, he would have moved silently so Guy and Lee would have never found him. That's why with Silent Killing you're silent so your enemy can't hear you to avoid your attacks and or attack you. That's also why Guy said, "How do you fight an enemy who you can't see and can't hear?" Guy would have never said that if he knew you could just react in the mist. That doesn't make sense at all. This isn't rocket science.
You're telling me if Darui shoots Black Panthers one at a time randomly in every direction it's for sure going to hit Zabuza? If Darui shoots a Black Panther in one direction and completely misses, then shoots it in another direction and completely misses (this due to the fact they are shot at random), Zabuza will know Darui is aiming randomly to attack him so he will move in the area that was already targeted to avoid getting hit. Also I like how you ignored how Zabuza could hear the Black Panthers coming and avoid them.
For Darui surrounding himself in water, I too thought that could be a possibility. However, have you forgotten that Zabuza always sends in Water Clones first? If he appeared behind Darui and Darui jumped out of the water then used Black Lightning on the water, it would destroy the Water Clone. Then, the real Zabuza will appear behind Darui and either kill him or get him in a Water Prison. Darui is not reading Zabuza's Water Clone feints because not even Kakashi could and Kakashi had a 3 tomoe Sharingan.
I do admit when I'm wrong and when Zabuza loses. Look at my posts on other Zabuza threads, you'll see I don't always say Zabuza. But I'm positive Zabuza can defeat Darui. Your arguments just consist of Darui using his jutsu randomly, which is a pathetic argument.
KGB Kakuzu
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Actually...Ginkaku-sama and Kinkaku-sama laid waste to the Division....they were beaten by a conveniently timed Darui Plot-Shield...How many times does your MOST USED PHRASE get replaced SECONDS before game over.....it doesn't.
OT: I'd still give it about a 50/50, but maybe with an edge on Zabuza.
Zabuza
1. Hidden Mist
2. Silent Killing
3. Water Dragon
4. Water Vortex
5. Water Prison
6. Water Clone
7. Masterful Kenjutsu
8. Blood Replenishes sword
9. High Pain tolerance
10. Greater Brute Strength
Darui
1. Ranton
2. Black Lightning
3. Water Wall (which does create a barrier that can encircle you as I recall)
4. Descent Kenjutsu
5. Lightning Application to Kenjutsu
6. Quick Reaction Time
7. Good Agility
8. Quick Learner
Now....for the most part...Hidden Mist is Darui's bane....his greatest moves (Ranton and Black Lightning) are rendered nearly useless in the face of Zabuza's mist. As a result...they can mostly be used to defensively ward off Zabuza's charge with a last minute attack. Additionally...Zabuza can direct his attacks at Darui because he can apply his silent killing skills with his jutsu to aim in the mist.
In response, Darui has the ability to react quickly such as what he did when he randomly dropped out of his defeat against the Gold and Silver Brothers.....he instantly slashed one of the brothers and caused the other to be sealed.....damn good reaction time keeps Darui from harm for a good bit of time. Additionally would be his quick learning feats.
With limited time, Darui could analyze how to use the Sage Tools, and applied them with perfect action. This would be key in allowing him to figure out Zabuza's battle plan if his agility helps him survive several silent killing strikes. Similar to Kakashi, Darui would likely be able to figure out Zabuza's attack strategy if he is given enough time. If given this time...suddenly Darui is at the advantage...because 1) He knows the patterns and can thus attack, not defend. 2) Has a higher caliber offense (Ranton...Kuroh Raiton). 3) Has the agility to perform counter attacks with a predicted pattern.
Still, Zabuza's other bonus would be to use Water Clones to mess with this timing leading to a false game pattern...which could render Darui unaware of his true attack strategy. Additionally, Zabuza also has the edge in sword combat so if he closes the gap on Darui, he has the advantage of physical dominance as well as Kenjutsu skills. Furthermore, Darui could once again be played with....While his Raition applied Butcher Blade could cut the Executioner blade...there are two risks.
1) Time: Sounds retarded, but remember Zabuza is stronger, and with enough force could cause Darui to slowly cut through the Executioner blade. The minute this happens...a water prison can be applied...or as another option, Zabuza can simply use sheer physical dominance to suddenly have Darui in a choke hold...or one hand the Executioner's blade while using a Kunai to end it.
2) Regeneration: If, persay, the blade was quickly cut...he would most likely not know of its regenerative power by absorbing Iron through blood. As other than seemingly the Hidden Mist Swordsman Enthusiest Suigetsu...no one else seemed fully aware of their full potential...not even Kakashi until it was being used in front of him for the second time. As such, Zabuza could retreat into his mist. Analytical, Darui would naturally re-calculate Zabuza's required closing distance, and could thus be caught unaware were Zabuza to replenish his sword with his own blood.
Conclusion
To me this seems like a game of time. The longer it takes Zabuza to kill Darui...or better said the more times he fails to kill Darui...the better chance Darui has to get a grasp of the situation. Darui may not have the sharingan for move prediction; however, he's still an extremely talented shinobi. If given enough time to see through the Hidden Mist pattern, Darui will have the advantage in fire power; however, the initial advantage goes to Zabuza...and if it comes to prolonged CQB, Zabuza takes it with Superior Kenjutsu IMO.
So like I have said....a race against time...but considering Zabuza's abilies in cloning as well as Silent Killing...he has an edge. At the lowest he wins 5/10....at best I'd give him 7/10. Darui isn't to be underestimated as well.
sharingansennin
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well i see no one defending darui have had anything to say, zabuza wins, its sad how people think zabuza is some fodder the guys elite jounin at least.
Masked man
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kyubbi sagemode
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The people voting for Darui...
GIVE SOME ARGUMENTS
All you say is; Darui shits on him, Darui wins, Darui is stronger... Black panther and storm element can kill zabuza..
How does he counter the mist? He can't
How dies zabuza counter Darui's atacks? He 's in the mist, so Darui would just have to atack randomly... and zabuza is pretty fast so there wouldn't be a problem.
Does Darui beat Zabuza ? NO, ZABUZA BEATS DARUI, GIVE ARGUMENTS IF YOU THINK OTHER WAYS
GIVE SOME ARGUMENTS
All you say is; Darui shits on him, Darui wins, Darui is stronger... Black panther and storm element can kill zabuza..
How does he counter the mist? He can't
How dies zabuza counter Darui's atacks? He 's in the mist, so Darui would just have to atack randomly... and zabuza is pretty fast so there wouldn't be a problem.
Does Darui beat Zabuza ? NO, ZABUZA BEATS DARUI, GIVE ARGUMENTS IF YOU THINK OTHER WAYS
