Darui + Kakashi V.S Hidan + Kakuzu

[BenjerminGaye]

Some guy above said no intel and i supposed that he got that from the OP lol.

btw no intel means "okay i already killed one of them" and bam backstabbed. It doesn't matter if it's via genjutsu or what.

the op never said no intel, and i quote:

Same setup as when Kakashi fought the zombie combo but instead of Team Asuma for backup he has Darui

meaning kakashi has the drop on zombie duo as he did in cannon

Kakashi does not have the plan involving Kakuzu's blood and Hidan's jutsu seeing as how that was Shikamarus idea.

he isn't setting up to trick hidan into killing kakazu.

Neither point to "no intel" and that was his only post.

Conclusion: kakashi has intel on hidan(same setup) none on kakazu, and gets the first move.

Thats a incapacitated hidan from either of the two. Then they tag team on kakazu's ass, having more than enough assets to combat his masks even when they join together.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It doesn't stop hidan from getting dropped by genjutsu or his sythe getting cut up by darui's lightning blade/ kakashi's lightning blade, and given the fact that its the same setup (kakashi and co being aware of zombie duo but not the other way around) that means kakashi and darui get the first move and thus the drop on zombie duo.

@Bold, Selective reading much? OP states the scenario of them starting 100 yards from each other. The only set up thats the same is the intel and location of the battle.

Genjutsu is a nonfactor. Not when Kakshi wasnt capable of under pressure canonically. Even if I hear excuses from him not wanting to, Mask completely nullifies the idea of it working anyway via partner method.


@Underline, And are we really going to ignore Hidan being able to face a skilled chakra blade CQC character, the best in Konoha, without having much issue dealing with the disadvantage? Yeah lets stop the bias and underrating. Its safe to assume Kakuzu can use chakra flow in weapons, based on the fact that Kakuzu was stated to be a better "elementilist" then Itachi, who has shown to do chakra flow. With Mask supporting Hidan (based on my first post point #3). Even if you dont want to come down to deductive reasoning, all I need to say to "refer to canon" in countering chakra blades. Darui is basically going down the same way Asuma did.

I didnt want to post against you the moment you said Hidan = nonfactor, as I though it would be a waste of time. But I just couldnt let one, particularly, go.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@Bold, Selective reading much? OP states the scenario of them starting 100 yards from each other. The only set up thats the same is the intel and location of the battle..

Same setup as when Kakashi fought the zombie combo but instead of Team Asuma for backup he has Darui

Nothing selective just read the damn op.

Genjutsu is a nonfactor. Not when Kakshi wasnt capable of under pressure canonically. Even if I hear excuses from him not wanting to, Mask completely nullifies the idea of it working anyway via partner method.

Him not doing it=Him not being able to do it. Like that is some horrible as logic. How masks change him from being passed out is something you have yet to explain. Never have i ever seen the masks transfer chakra, for partner method to work.

@Underline, And are we really going to ignore Hidan being able to face a skilled chakra blade CQC character, the best in Konoha

proof please? cus i can safely say both guy and kakashi are superior to him. And I dont care about hype when feats put both of them above.

Its safe to assume Kakuzu can use chakra flow in weapons, based on the fact that Kakuzu was stated to be a better "elementilist" then Itachi, who has shown to do chakra flow.

No its not safe to assume that. Assumptions are never safe, since theres no proof.

With Mask supporting Hidan (based on my first post point #3). Even if you dont want to come down to deductive reasoning, all I need to say to "refer to canon" in countering chakra blades. Darui is basically going down the same way Asuma did.

yeah no. Darui actuallly has feats of being so skilled with his blade he beat suigetsu and disarmed both kin and gin bros. not to mention lightning not functioning like wind does therefore any tome he clashes with his blade he runs the chance of getting electrocuted, slowing down his (by his own admittance) already slow movements.

I didnt want to post against you the moment you said Hidan = nonfactor, as I though it would be a waste of time. But I just couldnt let one, particularly, go.

he is a non factor. With or without support he cant keep up with either of the two. We already saw kakashi leave his ass in the dust.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nothing selective just read the damn op.

I gave my definition of "Set up" base on stimulation OP further added. If it was exactly the same set up, there wouldn't be a specific starting distance between each other OP made. Nor Shikimaru's influence in this battle/prep. So nothing implies Kakashi gets a free sneak kill off of Kakuzu.

Him not doing it=Him not being able to do it. Like that is some horrible as logic. How masks change him from being passed out is something you have yet to explain. Never have i ever seen the masks transfer chakra, for partner method to work.

Except I never said Kakashi couldn't, ironic you say that against Kakuzu chakra nature flow.

@When Kakuzu dies, they offer their lives and chakra stored in them via back to Kakuzu. 2.) They are living chakra flow of strings, that can act as its own separate entity, stated by both DB and Manga. 3)They listen to Kakuzu's commands. 4) DB puts their Genjutsu stats on par with Gai, who knows how to deal with breaking genjutsu with chakra flow. All of these reason indicates not needing a scan/pages of partner method Kakuzu/Jingou doing it.

proof please? cus i can safely say both guy and kakashi are superior to him. And I dont care about hype when feats put both of them above.

DB 3 comment's "Konoha's foremost skill in the village with close-ranged melee combat" Feats are backed by facing 100% Kisame and temporally keeping up with Hidan. Guy needed to result to gates to overpower 30% Kisame and Kakashi has what to indicate superiority again? By not getting scratch by a nerf Hidan's Kenjutsu? Lol ok.

No its not safe to assume that. Assumptions are never safe, since theres no proof.

Ok. Mixing chakra nature actually has indication of being difficult (refer to Naruto and Sasuke's Enton via Tobirama comment) based on the fact that you have to master the ratio to successfully make the combination and not one overpowering the other nature. Mixing your chakra nature into a weapons has no statement being as difficult as mixing with other natures.

yeah no. Darui actuallly has feats of being so skilled with his blade he beat suigetsu and disarmed both kin and gin bros. not to mention lightning not functioning like wind does therefore any tome he clashes with his blade he runs the chance of getting electrocuted, slowing down his (by his own admittance) already slow movements.

So basically Beating Kisame in CQC < Suigetsu now? And yes its a defeat in CQC when one withdraw to use ninjutsu. And no, mentioning disarming kin and gin bros isn't a feats that suppose to make Hidan look inferior. Only reason he was able to disarm one of them was because they assume that he was going to stand down for his comrades life and tricked them. Not a good feat. And stop making up stuff with Raion blade. Not when we canonically seen a non-chakra metallic weapon vs Raiton weapon encounter (yamato and sasuke). One just overpowers the other, nothing more nothing less.

he is a non factor. With or without support he cant keep up with either of the two. We already saw kakashi leave his ass in the dust.

So far all your doing to support your point, is from the make believe manga you draw out yourself. Do the people a favor and stop fabricating the manga to only support your bias opinion.

 

[EZQ]

Nothing selective just read the damn op.



Him not doing it=Him not being able to do it. Like that is some horrible as logic. How masks change him from being passed out is something you have yet to explain. Never have i ever seen the masks transfer chakra, for partner method to work.

proof please? cus i can safely say both guy and kakashi are superior to him. And I dont care about hype when feats put both of them above.

No its not safe to assume that. Assumptions are never safe, since theres no proof.

yeah no. Darui actuallly has feats of being so skilled with his blade he beat suigetsu and disarmed both kin and gin bros. not to mention lightning not functioning like wind does therefore any tome he clashes with his blade he runs the chance of getting electrocuted, slowing down his (by his own admittance) already slow movements.

he is a non factor. With or without support he cant keep up with either of the two. We already saw kakashi leave his ass in the dust.

When did the bold happen? Lmao.

And let me remind you that Hidan's schyte rope was broken. And that makes a HUGE difference.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

When did the bold happen? Lmao.

And let me remind you that Hidan's schyte rope was broken. And that makes a HUGE difference.

When the wind mask used its wind blast.

Kakashi ditched both, and outsped gian to protect shikamaru and choji.

If it can be destroyed by a explosive tag, its getting cut through by either's lightning cutting techs.

@nupsey i'll get to you later

 

[EZQ]

When the wind mask used its wind blast.

Kakashi ditched both, and outsped gian to protect shikamaru and choji.

Okay and how is this putting Hidan's ass on the floor?

If it can be destroyed by a explosive tag, its getting cut through by either's lightning cutting techs.

@nupsey i'll get to you later

Hidan starting with or without it makes difference. He's not using it as a shield like he did against Shikamaru's ambush. He had on option there.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Okay and how is this putting Hidan's ass on the floor?

i never said that. i said "leave his ass in the dust" meaning he's significantly faster. I.E. he cant keep up with them.

Hidan starting with or without it makes difference. He's not using it as a shield like he did against Shikamaru's ambush. He had on option there.

it doesn't, it gets destroyed by what i already stated.

 

[ToshiZO]

i never said that. i said "leave his ass in the dust" meaning he's significantly faster. I.E. he cant keep up with them.






it doesn't, it gets destroyed by what i already stated.

He's significantly faster yet when both of them attacked each other neither got the upperhand.

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If it can be destroyed by a explosive tag, its getting cut through by either's lightning cutting techs.

Just like it could have been cut through with Asuma's hien right? Saying these things are simple, yet when you have complete control of your weapon its easier said than done.

 

[EZQ]

He's significantly faster yet when both of them attacked each other neither got the upperhand.

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Just like it could have been cut through with Asuma's hien right? Saying these things are simple, yet when you have complete control of your weapon its easier said than done.

Leave him alone. It's the same argument over and over. He just likes Kakashi's D too much.