Danzo Wasted Kotoamatsukami (If He Used It On Sasuke He Would've Been Dead)

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rule the world
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beat an emo brat

i say rule the world. how could he have known ao had a byakugan?

There is no way in the darkest pits of hell Danzo could have used KA at Itachi's level as he lacks Uchiha blood to fuel the Doujutsu
theres no rule that prevents a sharingan jutsu not being full powerred just because its implanted. danzo does have senju power so he will never go blinded

, Danzo should've known Sasuke was coming after him to kill him
he never intended to fight him even if he did. thats why he ran from the summit till tobi cut off his escape
 

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^ I am pretty sure I already answered that. Senju Dna only sped up the recharge process. Even his Mokuton was laughable. No where is it mentioned that it perfects any ability.
 

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Danzo didn't use Shisui's Eye at the Summit....It was only suspected
and Danzo was saving Shisui's Eye for one person and one person only, Tobi...

He wouldn't think of using it on Sasuke because he was saving it for Tobi...is why he died....trying to kill Tobi with Shisui's Eye

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Yup, Danzo was a freaking beast.
No one in the manga could take him 1 on 1 if he had Shisui's eye ready for action. Sasuke is no exception, he was pretty lucky.

We have seen this with Kakashi, Madara, Nagato; all these people cannot use KGs at the level of the original user.

Wrong. Kakashi has mastered Sharingan way beyond the level of anyone in the Uchiha clan apart from a few individuals. And his Sharingan is still better with some aspects than the original owner's, Obito's. Namely, Kakashi's Kamui is faster and can be used long range.
 
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@Takos No. Stop making arguments on your own. According to Kakashi himself, Obito's S/T jutsu is better than Minato's FTG. Has he ever ventured that about himself? This long ranged reasoning is fan made logic. Obito is tiers above Kakashi and the only reason he would lose, is because of the Shonen constraints, as only a few chapters back before Kurama didn't aid his unassuming ass, he, Naruto, and Gai were completely at his mercy.

Mastered? Nothing but a baseless argument as Itachi's statement still holds so does the manga evidence in regrads to KG use on any front. Obito's use of Rinnegan was better than Nagato as well, just because of the evolution aspects of Rinnegan that has to evolve from Sharingan.

Whom has he surpassed anyway, and on which front? The only reason he has Kamui is because of Obito. He has not shown any complex chakra detection abilities or extremely fast movement detectiobn at the level of 3T which Uchihas possessed. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. Yeah, he has used and abused copy wheel portion all right. Lol
 
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Kishimoto had overpowered KA, then he'd realized that with it, Danzo >>> NV.
So he pretty much toned it down.

So blame Kishimoto.

Prime Danzo >>> Your favorite character. :)
 

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@Takos No. Stop making arguments on your own. According to Kakashi himself, Obito's S/T jutsu is better than Minato's FTG. Has he ever ventured that about himself?

First of all, he hasn't stated that about his own Kamui, but he also never said his Kamui was inferior to FTG.
And besides, I said that his Kamui is better than Obito's in some aspects, not that it was better overall. I believe that apart from lower chakra consumption of Obito's version (which might be related to Hashi's DNA and not the technique itself), their kamui are about equal or almost equal - just different.

Obito is tiers above Kakashi and the only reason he would lose, is because of the Shonen constraints, as only a few chapters back before Kurama didn't aid his unassuming ass, he, Naruto, and Gai were completely at his mercy.

I won't really argue much about it here, but you also need to keep in mind that they had minimal information regarding Obito and his techniques which made it much harder for them. Only after Kakashi's cracked it did they start gaining some ground. What's more, Naruto, Guy, Kakashi and Guy alike have been fighting since the beginning of the war with no or minimum rest, while Obito started in the middle of the second day.

Mastered? Nothing but a baseless argument as Itachi's statement still holds so does the manga evidence in regrads to KG use on any front. Obito's use of Rinnegan was better than Nagato as well, just because of the evolution aspects of Rinnegan that has to evolve from Sharingan.

Baseless argument? Kakashi is the only non-Uchiha who managed to awaken MS. And that's not all, he is tied with two Uchiha (Obito and Itachi) for being the youngest person ever to awaken MS. Even in Part II when Kakashi implied to Itachi that he has MS, Itachi almost couldn't believe it. All this speaks for Kakashi's mastery of the Sharingan.
As for your statement that Obito handles Rinnegan better than Nagato... just no. It's simply wrong. Apart from using 6 paths and supposedly being able to use Rinne Tensei, he hasn't shown any Rinnegan abilities. He didn't even absorb Naruto's Rasengan that was coming to his face.

The only reason he has Kamui is because of Obito.

Of course, but does it immediately mean he could not master it?

He has not shown any complex chakra detection abilities or extremely fast movement detectiobn at the level of 3T which Uchihas possessed.

But he was still able to fool two full-fledged Uchiha with his perfect timing.
1. Itachi himself admitted Kakashi's timing was perfect, due to which he didn't notice Kakashi creating a kage bunshin.
2. He kamuied Naruto's clone in front of Obito with such precision that Obito believed the clone was destroyed instead and kamui missed.
 
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@Takos

1 - You always use this argument, but I am sorry, we will always disagree. If something isn't stated, it's taken to be as a form of negation or lack of the said ability/quality.

2 - Fair enough.

3 - Kakashi did not awake MS. Recall that chapter again, and you would see that the eyes acted as a pair, which is why Obito was able to see Rin through his eye in Kakashi's socket, but Kakashi couldn't. The only person who did awake it, was Obito. Both eyes transformed at the same time as a pair. I know you would disagree, but there was no point in showing the whole 'pair perception' and the scan even showed the eyes side by side as a pair.

In fact, isn't their design the same as well? Actually, Madara said it. His usage of Rinnegan is better than Nagato according to Madara; the original wielder of the Rinnegan eyes.

4 - Not sure what you mean by this point.

5 - KB cannot be detected by MS anyway, so I guess it's logical that Itachi couldn't tell. I am not talking about timing here at all, but only 3T's other abilities that literally come custom tailored with Sharingan.

Good good. You are calm. Haha :D
 

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3 - Kakashi did not awake MS. Recall that chapter again, and you would see that the eyes acted as a pair, which is why Obito was able to see Rin through his eye in Kakashi's socket, but Kakashi couldn't. The only person who did awake it, was Obito. Both eyes transformed at the same time as a pair. I know you would disagree, but there was no point in showing the whole 'pair perception' and the scan even showed the eyes side by side as a pair.

My point is, even if there was a connection between these eyes, then it would be Kakashi who would unlock the MS for Obito. Remember this chapter, Obito could see what Kakashi was seeing but not the other way around. In other words, something from Kakashi's eye was transferred to Obito's eye, not the opposite. That's why if only one of them awakened MS, then I believe it would be Kakashi who then SENT this "activation" to Obito.
But I find this highly unprobable anyway, until Kishi mentions it, all we know is that Kakashi and Obito awakened MS.

In fact, isn't their design the same as well? Actually, Madara said it. His usage of Rinnegan is better than Nagato according to Madara; the original wielder of the Rinnegan eyes.

Can you show the page? I don't remember it.

5 - KB cannot be detected by MS anyway, so I guess it's logical that Itachi couldn't tell. I am not talking about timing here at all, but only 3T's other abilities that literally come custom tailored with Sharingan.

Well, if that's the case, we can't really say Kakashi's feats are worse than other Sharingan's users. Mostly because there was little mention of it, the only one I remember is that Kakuzu praised Kakashi for being able to use Sharingan to see all of his hand seals. Itachi mentioned that Kakashi's body is not an Uchiha body, but I wouldn't say it's related to Sharingan mastery.

Good good. You are calm. Haha :D

No reason not to be. :p Maybe some day we will be able to settle our discussions peacefully, let's wait and see.
 

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1 - Wasn't it Obito who experienced the emotional trauma? After all, Rin is the sole reason for all this war. The guy was nuts for her. Watching her die like that and killed by her best friend at that, really pushed him over the edge. I still firmly believe that Obito unlocked MS, not Kakashi.

2 - I don't remember the exact page myself, but it should be the early chapters when Madara finally reunited with Obito on the battlefield.

3 - Actually, Itachi specifically mentioned that Kakashi has a good body, but he lacks the blood for mastery.

True :D.
 

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1 - Wasn't it Obito who experienced the emotional trauma? After all, Rin is the sole reason for all this war. The guy was nuts for her. Watching her die like that and killed by her best friend at that, really pushed him over the edge. I still firmly believe that Obito unlocked MS, not Kakashi.

And that's why I think both of them awakened it.
1. Obito had to awaken it because Rin was very important to him.
2. Kakashi had to awaken him because the Sharingan connection between him and Obito works only from his side to Obito, hence he couldn't send MS to Obito.

3 - Actually, Itachi specifically mentioned that Kakashi has a good body, but he lacks the blood for mastery.

Right, something like this.
 

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^ What I am trying to imply or suggest that the original trigger came from Obito.
 

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In fact, isn't their design the same as well? Actually, Madara said it. His usage of Rinnegan is better than Nagato according to Madara; the original wielder of the Rinnegan eyes.
I don't remember this page, but if he said that, how would Madara know, if he is better than Nagato? Nagato has shown more skills with the Rinnegan than both Madara and Obito.
 
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