Danzo vs. Killer Bee

[shelke]

Even if you didn't restrict KA it wouldn't make any difference. Why? Danzo's use of KA was excruciatingly weak as it was compared to a regular Sharingan genjutsu and was broken with a simple interruption. Whereas Shisui's KA was capable of breaking Kabuto's hold over Itachi completely. That's a colossal difference. Bee would easily break out of Danzo's KA.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

when killer bee gets threatened(IN CHARACTER!!) he goes full 8 tails, and as he did against the lowly suigetsu he used tbb

Wood Release.

Even if you didn't restrict KA it wouldn't make any difference. Why? Danzo's use of KA was excruciatingly weak as it was compared to a regular Sharingan genjutsu and was broken with a simple interruption. Whereas Shisui's KA was capable of breaking Kabuto's hold over Itachi completely. That's a colossal difference. Bee would easily break out of Danzo's KA.

You better back up that claim with manga scans

 

[Masked man]

Hachibi isn't restricted? So Bee wins very easily.

If Bee hasn't Bijuu, Danzo has quite big chance to win.

 

[Klad]

Danzo has no chances
Killer Bee wins

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think using Wood on ground and air matters as it was shown to do either or. Danzo has shown he can alter the size of the jutsu. Although he did lost control made it look bigger, it doesn't matter as it was proven that the length to change for his desire. Wither to be enough to change the size to redirect just enough to redirect a Giant arrow or to use it to stop control the Kyuubi one day.

No, it wasn't. All of Danzo's Mokuton grew from his arm, not the ground, and he has not shown the ability to alter the jutsu, he only used Mokuton twice. Once when he had to evade the arrow, and the second time when he lost control and his whole arm grew into a tree. You can't say Danzo can change it willingly because he lost control the second time. He has shown one size and one use so you stick that use.

That context never implied "Madara Mokuton= Hashi in Binding There anyone that's inferior to them will not work"
As Naruto just mention Yamato in the Same sentence when Hashi is obviously>>.

I never said the context implied that now did I? I showed what happened when an inferior Mokuton user attempted to bind Naruto, and he failed. Obito actually has better control over the cells than Danzo does, yet Danzo is going to bind a whole Bijuu? When he hasn't even shown Mokuton use like how you're claiming he can do? Nope. Not happening.

Then you clearly see Obito Suppressing Kurmama's power that Naruto had to result to physical contact since he was unable to use Kurama when he was binded.

lol, that is false right there. Naruto couldn't move due to the Mokuton but was still able to headbutt Obito, send him flying back, and break the Mokuton binding. He didn't try to use Kurama when he was bound.

I haven't gave him feats I gave him what he was able to show:

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(And what I explained first sentence

He can only grow trees from his arm. He hasn't shown anyway to use his Mokuton to bind anything or anyone how every other Mokuton user has shown. Growing trees from his arm how he does isn't going to let him bind Killer B. Danzo's Mokuton is completely useless here. Not like it'd be strong enough to supress a fully transformed Bijuu since people who have better use/control of it than he does have failed there. (Yamato and Obito)

He's grown trees from his arm and that's all he can do.

 

[Curse Mark]

Even if you didn't restrict KA it wouldn't make any difference. Why? Danzo's use of KA was excruciatingly weak as it was compared to a regular Sharingan genjutsu and was broken with a simple interruption. Whereas Shisui's KA was capable of breaking Kabuto's hold over Itachi completely. That's a colossal difference. Bee would easily break out of Danzo's KA.

Danzo broke it when he realized he was caught. Realizing you're in KA doesn't do shit.

 

[illidanson]

Ha!! Bee easily takes this!! All he has to do is go Eight-Tails Form and Danzo can't even hurt him.

Actually i'd be a more fair fight if he tried beat Danzo without using Hachibi. He has waay waay superious speed and physical strength and all he has to do to take out an Izanagi is to hit Danzo with one of his swords.

He might not win without Hachibi but it would sure be a hell of a lot closer than with it.

 

[NewKageism]

Guys guys what is a KA again?

 

[Curse Mark]

Guys guys what is a KA again?

Koto Atsiuhadsuyhsa

It's Shisui's genjutsu

 

[VolatileSoul]

I don't know about this. Bee pretty much owns him, but the question for me is Wood Release. It's pretty much built for taking on Bijuu. Oh well. Bee wins for me as I don't see how he would use the wood to suppress Bee. Aside from the wood, Bee pretty much stomps. A Baku boosted wind release could hurt a full Bijuu Mode Bee, but I can't see it doing enough to be a game ender, and Killer Bee can pretty much trounce everything else he has and waste him for ten minutes.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No, it wasn't. All of Danzo's Mokuton grew from his arm, not the ground, and he has not shown the ability to alter the jutsu, he only used Mokuton twice. Once when he had to evade the arrow, and the second time when he lost control and his whole arm grew into a tree. You can't say Danzo can change it willingly because he lost control the second time. He has shown one size and one use so you stick that use.

Your misinterpreting my words so Ill re write it: I understand that Danzo doesn't use the ground as the source of Wood. Wood Release is Wood Release so it does not matter what the source comes from as it simply using Hashi cells to suppress the Buijuu's power

Why can't I say he can willingly change the size of the tree?Why does, what Danzo use to simply dodge an arrow, only proves thats the only size he can alternate it? Why does he have to be make a bigger tree to prove, use against, and redirect the arrow in time? Why does he have be to close to death to only proves that the cells can be alter to that size, that doesn't make sense? Didn't Obito do the something in the past and yet doesn't perform to use Wood Release the same way recent Obito used it against Naruto (before Juubi).

If Danzo's plan, in the manga, was going to use that small-ass tree to control the Kyuubi then thats a very irrational claim then what the manga implied.

If were not meeting half way in this "alternation" of the discussion then I won't bother as I can't see you only believe that he can only use that small tree..

I never said the context implied that now did I? I showed what happened when an inferior Mokuton user attempted to bind Naruto, and he failed. Obito actually has better control over the cells than Danzo does, yet Danzo is going to bind a whole Bijuu? When he hasn't even shown Mokuton use like how you're claiming he can do? Nope. Not happening.

You did not show how inferior Mokuton user attempted to bind Naruto failed. His suppression was successful that the only way for Naruto to escape was to use what was available to use, his head. The Wood had to be broken in order for Naruto to use hie techs

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lol, that is false right there. Naruto couldn't move due to the Mokuton but was still able to headbutt Obito, send him flying back, and break the Mokuton binding. He didn't try to use Kurama when he was bound.

What is false? Your repeating the same sentence I put.

He can only grow trees from his arm. He hasn't shown anyway to use his Mokuton to bind anything or anyone how every other Mokuton user has shown. Growing trees from his arm how he does isn't going to let him bind Killer B. Danzo's Mokuton is completely useless here. Not like it'd be strong enough to supress a fully transformed Bijuu since people who have better use/control of it than he does have failed there. (Yamato and Obito)

Never said he can grow from ground.
No screen time does not disprove how he was able to do then what the manga implied.
Whatever the source of Mokuton comes from does not make it any relevant on how it can suppress Buijuu's power.
People who had better control was never shown to fail. Obito never failed to suppress the Buijuu's power. I am waiting for Yamato scans of him failing to suppress the Buijuu's power.

He's grown trees from his arm and that's all he can do.

Never made such claim nor does it matter if it did.

Ha!! Bee easily takes this!! All he has to do is go Eight-Tails Form and Danzo can't even hurt him.

He can still use Baki combo to finish him off before he TBB the summon

 

[shelke]

Danzo broke it when he realized he was caught. Realizing you're in KA doesn't do shit.

Actually, he didn't:

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- The technique was still in progress and Mifune was jostled out without a single contact, when given KA's 'lack of realization' clause, he should have continued to be in trance. This is backed by how Itrachi was completely broken out Edo Hold. Heck, even regular Sharingan genjutsu requires far more effort than this pathetic display. Remember Chee and Orochimaru?

Both are genjutsu specialists and were beaten so easily with 3 Tomoe genjutsu by Sasuke. Chee couldn't move even if Darui jostled him out of it and yet, Mifune snapped out of KA when someone pointed it out? Face it, Danzo's use of KA is borderline pathetic.

In fact, he was checked for it and commented that the technique's limit ran out afterwards. Mei's guard specifically used the term currently:

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You better back up that claim with manga scans

Mei has compared to Genjutsu -

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. Even at regular 3 T level, Sharingan is fully capable of defeating any Genjutsu specialist. Before you suggest she didn't state 'Sharingan'. It's blatantly obvious that the analogy is being created with Sharingan as all villages are aware of how to tackle an Uchiha who has awakened his Bloodline limit. She is thinking that Danzo was behind it. You can also look at the above reply.

As for Shisui's KA feat? I don't think I need to post any scans for it. Kabuto was inevitably defeated because of the aid it provided.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Actually, he didn't:

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- The technique was still in progress and Mifune was jostled out without a single contact, when given KA's 'lack of realization' clause, he should have continued to be in trance. This is backed by how Itrachi was completely broken out Edo Hold. Heck, even regular Sharingan genjutsu requires far more effort than this pathetic display. Remember Chee and Orochimaru?

Both are genjutsu specialists and were beaten so easily with 3 Tomoe genjutsu by Sasuke. Chee couldn't move even if Darui jostled him out of it and yet, Mifune snapped out of KA when someone pointed it out? Face it, Danzo's use of KA is borderline pathetic.

In fact, he was checked for it and commented that the technique's limit ran out afterwards. Mei's guard specifically used the term currently:

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Mei has compared to Genjutsu -

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. Even at regular 3 T level, Sharingan is fully capable of defeating any Genjutsu specialist. Before you suggest she didn't state 'Sharingan'. It's blatantly obvious that the analogy is being created with Sharingan as all villages are aware of how to tackle an Uchiha who has awakened his Bloodline limit. She is thinking that Danzo was behind it. You can also look at the above reply.

As for Shisui's KA feat? I don't think I need to post any scans for it. Kabuto was inevitably defeated because of the aid it provided.

One scan destroys your whole interpretation

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[Guntah]

Danzo`s main weapon is KA. B, being a Jinchuriki, for all i know is imune to genjutsu...so as far as i know, B wins.

 

[shelke]

One scan destroys your whole interpretation

How? Do tell. I just showed you an actual KA feat and comparison. This scan means jack.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your misinterpreting my words so Ill re write it: I understand that Danzo doesn't use the ground as the source of Wood. Wood Release is Wood Release so it does not matter what the source comes from as it simply using Hashi cells to suppress the Buijuu's power

Why can't I say he can willingly change the size of the tree?Why does, what Danzo use to simply dodge an arrow, only proves thats the only size he can alternate it? Why does he have to be make a bigger tree to prove, use against, and redirect the arrow in time? Why does he have be to close to death to only proves that the cells can be alter to that size, that doesn't make sense? Didn't Obito do the something in the past and yet doesn't perform to use Wood Release the same way recent Obito used it against Naruto (before Juubi).

You can't say it cause he hasn't shown it. Simple as that. I hope you know that the last tree that was created took his whole arm with it, so saying he can make trees of that size while in control makes no sense at all.

Then again, its not like it matters as Mokuton used like that can't be used offensively. Growing a tree from your arm is not an offense.

Obito is Obito, Danzo is Danzo.

If Danzo's plan, in the manga, was going to use that small-ass tree to control the Kyuubi then thats a very irrational claim then what the manga implied.

Danzo can't do shit with a tree at all, cause spawning a tree from his arm is not an offensive use of Mokuton nor will that catch any Bijuu at all. We go by feats here.

If were not meeting half way in this "alternation" of the discussion then I won't bother as I can't see you only believe that he can only use that small tree..

That's all he showed so that's all he gets. If you aren't going to debate by feats and instead go by assumptions then I'm wasting my time talking to you.

You did not show how inferior Mokuton user attempted to bind Naruto failed. His suppression was successful that the only way for Naruto to escape was to use what was available to use, his head. The Wood had to be broken in order for Naruto to use hie techs

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The fact Naruto was able to break away with just a headbutt doesn't really help your case here, not like Danzo can do any better with his Mokuton feats.

Never said he can grow from ground.
No screen time does not disprove how he was able to do then what the manga implied.
Whatever the source of Mokuton comes from does not make it any relevant on how it can suppress Buijuu's power.
People who had better control was never shown to fail. Obito never failed to suppress the Buijuu's power. I am waiting for Yamato scans of him failing to suppress the Buijuu's power.

Again, we go by feats here. When you can show me a scan of him using Mokuton how you claim he can use it then you can say he can use it. Until then. Stop making up feats for Danzo. He has shown no Mokuton that can be used offensively so he doesn't get it.
He has only shown the capability to grow trees from his arm so that is all he gets. Stop with your assumptions on the capability of Danzo's Mokuton when we have seen his feats with it, and they suck ass.

He can still use Baki combo to finish him off before he TBB the summon

Bijuu Dama takes a second to charge up and to fire. Baku gets blown up before it ever drags B in.

 

[Curse Mark]

Actually, he didn't:

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- The technique was still in progress and Mifune was jostled out without a single contact, when given KA's 'lack of realization' clause, he should have continued to be in trance. This is backed by how Itrachi was completely broken out Edo Hold. Heck, even regular Sharingan genjutsu requires far more effort than this pathetic display. Remember Chee and Orochimaru?

Both are genjutsu specialists and were beaten so easily with 3 Tomoe genjutsu by Sasuke. Chee couldn't move even if Darui jostled him out of it and yet, Mifune snapped out of KA when someone pointed it out? Face it, Danzo's use of KA is borderline pathetic.

In fact, he was checked for it and commented that the technique's limit ran out afterwards. Mei's guard specifically used the term currently:

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Mei has compared to Genjutsu -

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. Even at regular 3 T level, Sharingan is fully capable of defeating any Genjutsu specialist. Before you suggest she didn't state 'Sharingan'. It's blatantly obvious that the analogy is being created with Sharingan as all villages are aware of how to tackle an Uchiha who has awakened his Bloodline limit. She is thinking that Danzo was behind it. You can also look at the above reply.

As for Shisui's KA feat? I don't think I need to post any scans for it. Kabuto was inevitably defeated because of the aid it provided.

..You proved nothing. Realizing you're in KA doesn't break you out. That's why Itachi was still in KA despite knowing he was using it on himself. That currently thing only proves that Danzo stopped using it when he was caught. Ao checked to see if Danzo was still using it....... Come on now

 

[NewKageism]

Koto Atsiuhadsuyhsa

It's Shisui's genjutsu

Thanks for clarifying the Ka had to make sure that everyone was speaking about the same thing.
Danzo use of that ability to me is like that similar to Kakashi using the warp ability, not the best at it. But Itachi on the other hand knows how to use it.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You can't say it cause he hasn't shown it. Simple as that. I hope you know that the last tree that was created took his whole arm with it, so saying he can make trees of that size while in control makes no sense at all.

Taking his arm with it wasn't the point because he had no control over it thus he had to be removed before it continues to grow and consume him then when he did had control over his chakra and make a tree grow out from his arm without taking over his body. Chakra control was the only reason.

Then again, its not like it matters as Mokuton used like that can't be used offensively. Growing a tree from your arm is not an offense.

I explain that already. With V2 he just waits for him to charge at him. For full Buijuu he spawns next to him and make it grow from his location.

Danzo can't do shit with a tree at all, cause spawning a tree from his arm is not an offensive use of Mokuton nor will that catch any Bijuu at all. We go by feats here.

We have seen that it was about to consume Danzo himself he can use it offensively by doing it right next to Full Buijuu form via Izanagi spawn.

That's all he showed so that's all he gets. If you aren't going to debate by feats and instead go by assumptions then I'm wasting my time talking to you.

This is where we are going to go in circles as what valid or not. Im going to go by what the manga has shown and implied while you want to argue how that is invalid.

The fact Naruto was able to break away with just a headbutt doesn't really help your case here, not like Danzo can do any better with his Mokuton feats.

He didn't break away with just a headbutt he resulted with a headbutt since Obito was close enough to get hit.

Again, we go by feats here. When you can show me a scan of him using Mokuton how you claim he can use it then you can say he can use it. Until then. Stop making up feats for Danzo. He has shown no Mokuton that can be used offensively so he doesn't get it.
He has only shown the capability to grow trees from his arm so that is all he gets. Stop with your assumptions on the capability of Danzo's Mokuton when we have seen his feats with it, and they suck ass.

I gave you feats you said it was invalid. So what invalid to use it invalid to you. I got manga scans to back up my claim that he is able to do so.

Bijuu Dama takes a second to charge up and to fire. Baku gets blown up before it ever drags B in.

A second is all Danzo needs to abuse the suction to boost his Wind attacks

How? Do tell. I just showed you an actual KA feat and comparison. This scan means jack.

two MS was threaten and knew it would be over if hit by it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Taking his arm with it wasn't the point because he had no control over it thus he had to be removed before it continues to grow and consume him then when he did had control over his chakra and make a tree grow out from his arm without taking over his body. Chakra control was the only reason.

We have seen that it was about to consume Danzo himself he can use it offensively by doing it right next to Full Buijuu form via Izanagi spawn.


I explain that already. With V2 he just waits for him to charge at him. For full Buijuu he spawns next to him and make it grow from his location.

All he is doing is growing a

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. It won't wrap around Killer B, it will just cause a tree to grow right next to where Killer B is or wherever Danzo decides to use it. Stop overrating Danzo's Mokuton capabilities. Its annoying. This isn't NUNSG where can make his Mokuton wrap around his opponent at will.

Not to mention if he isn't connected to the Mokuton, he has no way to suppress Killer B so he breaks free from it just like Naruto broke free when he knocked Obito away.

Mokuton is a non factor here.

The bold only happened in the manga when he lost control of Hashirama's cells.

This is where we are going to go in circles as what valid or not. Im going to go by what the manga has shown and implied while you want to argue how that is invalid.

The manga has shown him using growing a tree out of his arm. Growing a tree from his arm isn't going to let him bind Killer B.

He didn't break away with just a headbutt he resulted with a headbutt since Obito was close enough to get hit.



I gave you feats you said it was invalid. So what invalid to use it invalid to you. I got manga scans to back up my claim that he is able to do so.

If you had manga scans that back up your claim of him being able to do so, I'd see a manga scan of him being able to use Mokuton like you claim he can, but I don't see one so you haven't backed up anything.

A second is all Danzo needs to abuse the suction to boost his Wind attacks

Ok? His Fuuton isn't going to stop Bijuu Dama from blowing Baku up.