[VS] Danzo vs Kakuzu

[Pretentious]

Your reasoning just repeated what I just said, so how the hell is that blind ignorance?



Based on the fact that I never said any other elements can do the same? I stated twice now, that the attack power of Danzo's is the reason.



Clearly you are. Every Wide Scale ninjutsu in this manga has ever rely on speed so mentioning that is irrelevant. What you cant argue is Danzo outperforming Kakashi in that fight so he gets the same treatment, simple.



Funny how you didnt get the point of me quoting that specific statement. I refuted this point to show that line of reason doesnt work. As much as you refuted the point that 3T genjutsu would be enough to defeat Kakuzu first life. Does it change my point of the overall match up? Nope.



Never argued against thread conditions in play



My argument: "Danzo cant outperform Kakashi without Izanagi, therefore gets the same treatment as Kakashi in canon".

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Speed x Reaction;

Danzo's reaction firstly has to be taken into account;

-Capable of both mentally, and physically (Mokuton application) reacting to a Susano'o Arrow --

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-Reflexive enough to strike quicker than Sasuke & apply a cursed seal --

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-Reaction great enough to elude a recuperated Sasuke, despite being close range, and severely exhausted/impaired --

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-Utilization of Fūton: Kasui enables Danzo faster reaction i.e. he'd been able to dodge Susano'o Arrow if applied, rather than Mokuton in that situation --

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GKS Sasuke clearly > Kakuzu in nigh every category; speed being the most prominent -- Therefore Danzo's reaction & physical speed > Kakuzu; Sharingan & Hashirama's DNA solidify this claim, along with canonical portrayal.

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Sharingan x Perception;

-Capable of seeing chakra flow. As shown, when Sasuke fought Deidara, it gives color to chakra, allowing the user to differentiate them --

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-It grants the user an increased clarity of perception which of-course allows Sharingan users to easily recognize genjutsu and different forms of chakra. It also means that they notice any insignificant detail of the target, such as being able to lip-read --

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It also means that the user can track the enemy who move at fast speeds and allow them to read through their future movements, allowing counter attacks to be formed --

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-Lastly, it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques.

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Danzo x Domu;

Kotoamatsukami manipulates Kakuzu to deactivate Domu -- Danzo instills the command to both deactivate & eliminate his Doton heart; or, Danzo simply destroys it.

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Danzo x Masks;

Fūton: Shinkūgyoku --

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-- The dispersion of several small Futon bullets; despite Karin warning Sasuke, and the Sharingan's presence, Sasuke had been unable to dodge the projectiles. Several dozen well-timed projectiles i.e. after elemental evasion, or once the masks scurry to Kakuzu's corpse to resuscitate him they'll be destroyed; compliments of Sharingan's X-ray vision -- Ignoring the foolish claim: "the Sharingan can't see through Kakuzu's anatomy because Kakashi didn't exude this knowledge" i.e. an asinine claim.

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Sequence x Defeat;

Kotoamatsukami; Kakuzu ceases Domu, and commits suicide -- KA ends --> Kakuzu's masks scurry to their main vessels aid (as seen canonically) -- Danzo acts on their vulnerability performing Fūton: Shinkūgyoku taking them all out in a matter of seconds.

Finished.

Not necessarily. A difficult/dangerous technique to use isn't always lethal: Shadow Clones. Lethality is NOT determined by power or high chakra proportions. The Hyuga clan is a perfect example. They exert tiny amounts of microscopic chakra needles from their fingertips and they can kill you with one soft poke to the heart. What makes a technique lethal are it's mechanics, not it's chakra proportions.

Chakra proportions determine the size of the technique. For example, If Sasuke pumped a shitton of chakra into his Amaterasu, he'd spray a lot of it but it won't make the fire more inextinguishable or strong enough to burn through a jinchuriki cloak. If Onoki pumps a shitton of chakra in his Jinton, it doesn't turn things lower (subatomic) than atomic level, it'll just be big as hell.

Clearly that isn't true; chakra proportions can not only affect size, but power -- Hence why Sasuke was capable of breaking out of Danzo's cursed seal (i.e. overpowering).

Thus, my point stands, and anything else you've stated irrelevant to the specific premise; Raikiri is an S rank -- Kakuzu's Gian is B-rank -- Increase chakra proportions made Gian >/= to Raikiri as shown canon. Simple.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Speed x Reaction;

Danzo's reaction firstly has to be taken into account;

-Capable of both mentally, and physically (Mokuton application) reacting to a Susano'o Arrow --

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-Reflexive enough to strike quicker than Sasuke & apply a cursed seal --

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-Reaction great enough to elude a recuperated Sasuke, despite being close range, and severely exhausted/impaired --

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-Utilization of Fūton: Kasui enables Danzo faster reaction i.e. he'd been able to dodge Susano'o Arrow if applied, rather than Mokuton in that situation --

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GKS Sasuke clearly > Kakuzu in nigh every category; speed being the most prominent -- Therefore Danzo's reaction & physical speed > Kakuzu; Sharingan & Hashirama's DNA solidify this claim, along with canonical portrayal.

Cool. None of this proves outperforming Kakashi in these category either, who Kakuzu ends up rag dolling.

Sharingan x Perception;

-Capable of seeing chakra flow. As shown, when Sasuke fought Deidara, it gives color to chakra, allowing the user to differentiate them --

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-It grants the user an increased clarity of perception which of-course allows Sharingan users to easily recognize genjutsu and different forms of chakra. It also means that they notice any insignificant detail of the target, such as being able to lip-read --

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It also means that the user can track the enemy who move at fast speeds and allow them to read through their future movements, allowing counter attacks to be formed --

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-Lastly, it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques.

Knew all of this. Dont know why you wasted your time writing all this up tbh.

Danzo x Domu;

Kotoamatsukami manipulates Kakuzu to deactivate Domu -- Danzo instills the command to both deactivate & eliminate his Doton heart; or, Danzo simply destroys it.

Not with the conditions you provided in OP. Intel is Manga. Why are you making Danzo specifically target a heart as if he knows he has more then 1, yet alone with different chakra natures?

Based on alive Kakuzu's battles, his Doton is hidden and uses his featless Mask to keep himself alive the first time. Danzo requesting to kill himself, or doing it himself will result in Kakuzu killing off the featless heart thats keeping him alive the first time.

Danzo x Masks;

Fūton: Shinkūgyoku --

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-- The dispersion of several small Futon bullets; despite Karin warning Sasuke, and the Sharingan's presence, Sasuke had been unable to dodge the projectiles. Several dozen well-timed projectiles i.e. after elemental evasion, or once the masks scurry to Kakuzu's corpse to resuscitate him they'll be destroyed; compliments of Sharingan's X-ray vision -- Ignoring the foolish claim: "the Sharingan can't see through Kakuzu's anatomy because Kakashi didn't exude this knowledge" i.e. an asinine claim.

It seems were not seeing the same scan as you post because Sasuke clearly dodge the majority of them and only 1 skinned him. Thats called dodging.

2.) That feat was accomplish after the usage of Izanagi, so you dont have a point.

3.) Your premise is in the assumption that Kakuzu has already been taken out, with the Mask completely separated from him with zero reasons.

4.) You can ignore it because canon refutes it, thus you dont have an argument. The fact is if the hearts are being covered by the entire anatomy of Jingou, Sharingan doesnt comprehend it as in canon. So you can argue that the Sharingan can see through Kakuzu own anatomy for accurate attacks, but you can't with Mask's bodies. And even then they are able to manipulate their shape and easily change the location of their hearts. So they take on the bullets while moving the hearts in safe location

 

[Pretentious]

Cool. None of this proves outperforming Kakashi in these category either, who Kakuzu ends up rag dolling.



Knew all of this. Dont know why you wasted your time writing all this up tbh.



Not with the conditions you provided in OP. Intel is Manga. Why are you making Danzo specifically target a heart as if he knows he has more then 1, yet alone with different chakra natures?

Based on alive Kakuzu's battles, his Doton is hidden and uses his featless Mask to keep himself alive the first time. Danzo requesting to kill himself, or doing it himself will result in Kakuzu killing off the featless heart thats keeping him alive the first time.



It seems were not seeing the same scan as you post because Sasuke clearly dodge the majority of them and only 1 skinned him. Thats called dodging.

2.) That feat was accomplish after the usage of Izanagi, so you dont have a point.

3.) Your premise is in the assumption that Kakuzu has already been taken out, with the Mask completely separated from him with zero reasons.

4.) You can ignore it because canon refutes it, thus you dont have an argument. The fact is if the hearts are being covered by the entire anatomy of Jingou, Sharingan doesnt comprehend it as in canon. So you can argue that the Sharingan can see through Kakuzu own anatomy for accurate attacks, but you can't with Mask's bodies. And even then they are able to manipulate their shape and easily change the location of their hearts. So they take on the bullets while moving the hearts in safe location

The technique is conceived of six wind bullets dodging 5, but being hit by 1 =/= evading the technique -- That's similar to saying: "P has dodged a portion of R's Katon, therefore he's dodged the technique." Clearly a contradiction.

2.) That feat was accomplish after the usage of Izanagi, so you dont have a point.

Unsure what you're even relating this too.

3.) Your premise is in the assumption that Kakuzu has already been taken out, with the Mask completely separated from him with zero reasons.

Clearly my premise is substantial if KA is used, and Danzo orders Kakuzu to destroy his heart/Danzo rips Kakuzu's body to shreds inevitably discovering a severed heart.

4.) You can ignore it because canon refutes it, thus you dont have an argument. The fact is if the hearts are being covered by the entire anatomy of Jingou, Sharingan doesnt comprehend it as in canon. So you can argue that the Sharingan can see through Kakuzu own anatomy for accurate attacks, but you can't with Mask's bodies. And even then they are able to manipulate their shape and easily change the location of their hearts. So they take on the bullets while moving the hearts in safe location

Link where canon refutes the Sharingan being unable to see through the masks -- If the Sharingan is capable of seeing through the human body, it's capable of seeing through tendrils. Just because the writer didn't showcase such through character notion, doesn't mean it's untrue, especially when it'd already been shown to have X-ray vision regarding anatomy.

Another further claim to back the writer's incompetence is the fact after the Kakuzu fight, Kishimoto felt the need to demonstrate the Sharingan could in fact see through the human anatomy (yet again).

Clearly air bullets aren't the only means, merely it was the most minute attempt to end the nonsense arguments representing the masks livability. Fūton: Shinkū Taigyoku or Fūton: Shinkū Renpa put an end to the masks with the compliment of my earlier factual premise.

Need I even bring up the simple usage of Juinjutsu to disable Kakuzu, and the mask? A Juinjutsu requiring Susano'o levels of chakra to break -- I pray you don't presume Kakuzu can replicate Sasuke's Susano'o seal override.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The technique is conceived of six wind bullets dodging 5, but being hit by 1 =/= evading the technique -- That's similar to saying: "P has dodged a portion of R's Katon, therefore he's dodged the technique." Clearly a contradiction.

Not a contradiction. Similar scenario is Kakashi x Atsugai. Kakashi didnt come back untouch yet was confirmed that he dodged the attack.

Unsure what you're even relating this too.

A Izanagi feint helped skinned Sasuke with his jutsu.

Clearly my premise is substantial if KA is used, and Danzo orders Kakuzu to destroy his heart/Danzo rips Kakuzu's body to shreds inevitably discovering a severed heart.

Ok. Well there you have it. Danzo does this, and not only wasted KA. But ends up killing a non factor heart for this match up. So he ends up struggling against Doton, Katon, and Jingou. Hell even Futon.

Link where canon refutes the Sharingan being unable to see through the masks -- If the Sharingan is capable of seeing through the human body, it's capable of seeing through tendrils. Just because the writer didn't showcase such through character notion, doesn't mean it's untrue, especially when it'd already been shown to have X-ray vision regarding anatomy.

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Another further claim to back the writer's incompetence is the fact after the Kakuzu fight, Kishimoto felt the need to demonstrate the Sharingan could in fact see through the human anatomy (yet again).

Thats good so it should of confirm to you that your premise is not possible specifically those Mask.

Clearly air bullets aren't the only means, merely it was the most minute attempt to end the nonsense arguments representing the masks livability. Fūton: Shinkū Taigyoku or Fūton: Shinkū Renpa put an end to the masks with the compliment of my earlier factual premise.

Good thing they can fire jutsu and avoid on their own.

You still havent explain how Kakuzu is down, while the Mask are separated from him.

Need I even bring up the simple usage of Juinjutsu to disable Kakuzu, and the mask? A Juinjutsu requiring Susano'o levels of chakra to break -- I pray you don't presume Kakuzu can replicate Sasuke's Susano'o seal override.[/FONT][/SIZE]

Have you been reading my first point in this thread? Did you actually read it, or did you liked it because I said Danzo wins?

You have no arguments to where Danzo can walk up to Kakuzu and tag him without reacting.

 

[Pretentious]

Not a contradiction. Similar scenario is Kakashi x Atsugai. Kakashi didnt come back untouch yet was confirmed that he dodged the attack.




A Izanagi feint helped skinned Sasuke with his jutsu.



Ok. Well there you have it. Danzo does this, and not only wasted KA. But ends up killing a non factor heart for this match up. So he ends up struggling against Doton, Katon, and Jingou. Hell even Futon.



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Thats good so it should of confirm to you that your premise is not possible specifically those Mask.



Good thing they can fire jutsu and avoid on their own.

You still havent explain how Kakuzu is down, while the Mask are separated from him.



Have you been reading my first point in this thread? Did you actually read it, or did you liked it because I said Danzo wins?

You have no arguments to where Danzo can walk up to Kakuzu and tag him without reacting.

Clearly I liked it because if you don't recall, I stated: "I encourage arguments." I prefer other perspective on the match-up, I'm not limited to being petty, or immature just because someone disagrees with my opinion on the matter.

I'll rebuttal soon. As it seems many misunderstandings have been had.

 

[super yang]

kakuzu wins as he hard counters danzo
he can blindside baku w/ a mask, lolnope at paralysis seal thru jiongos property & outlast Izanagi because outside of it, danzo isn't going to be doing much else