[VS] Danzo vs Kakashi

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Then why did you try to make a premise of countering Baku, if otherwise
I don't see the practicality of Baku in a full intel battle. In fact, if Danzo has knowledge of Kamui, then I doubt he'd even bother summoning Baku.

I was trying to point out other counters to Baku besides Kamui, but it's quite honestly futile because a quick Kamui would do the trick if other counters don't work.
 

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I don't see the practicality of Baku in a full intel battle. In fact, if Danzo has knowledge of Kamui, then I doubt he'd even bother summoning Baku.

I was trying to point out other counters to Baku besides Kamui, but it's quite honestly futile because a quick Kamui would do the trick if other counters don't work.
The battle is not full intel.
 

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Kakashi Win Mid-High dif Danzou dont Have much Strategy on his attacks He only uses his Izanagi and The sumons Kakashi shuld Outsmart him with his curent abilitys and Kamui is to much.
 

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Danzou dont Have much Strategy on his attacks
Lets see.

1.Danzo can copy moves as much as Kakashi and use strategics as much as him.
2. Kakashi has no idea Danzo has Shisui Sharingan, meaning he can still place him under genjutsu, other then the restricted KA.
3. Any CQC means you are sealed or Wood Release suppression.

Yea Danzo can use strategy as much as Kakashi

and Kamui is to much.
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Lets see.

1.Danzo can copy moves as much as Kakashi and use strategics as much as him.
2. Kakashi has no idea Danzo has Shisui Sharingan, meaning he can still place him under genjutsu, other then the restricted KA.
3. Any CQC means you are sealed or Wood Release suppression.

Yea Danzo can use strategy as much as Kakashi



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Copy what? His only known element is wind. Kakashi uses earth lightning and water.

What genjutsu? The only one he showed is locked.
Sealing a clone or better yet the the fact that he had to release the seal before he attempted to kill sasuke? Or the fact that he can't use it with izanagi?
The chances of him even touching kakashi in cqc is low considering kakashi went head to head with hidan without so much as a scratch.
Besides izanagi reverses death not teleportation. If kakashi jumps his entire body he's stuck.
 

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Copy what? His only known element is wind.
And Wood Element? Which can [ ][ ][ ]. Thus copy Water and Earth jutsu.

What genjutsu? The only one he showed is locked.
Genjutsu: Sharingan. The generic genjutsu 3 tomoe level and up, can use for Sharingan wielders. Shishi eye can use it.

Sealing a clone or better yet the the fact that he had to release the seal before he attempted to kill sasuke?
What? Any of Danzo just becomes reality[ ].

Or the fact that he can't use it with izanagi?
Wrong.

The chances of him even touching kakashi in cqc is low considering kakashi went head to head with hidan without so much as a scratch.
Why does he need to be scratch? All he needs to do is hold him. Danzo keeped up with Sasuke so moot point.

Besides izanagi reverses death not teleportation.
Let me educate you then.

Danzo Spawn:

1. Point [ ] to [ ]<-Behind him
2. Point [ ] to [ ]
3. Point [ ][ ] to [ ]

If kakashi jumps his entire body he's stuck.
Huh?
 

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-It doesn't prevent Kakashi from performing another Bunshin which Danzo cannot stop. Even then, if the Bunshin has been defeated, Danzo has still yet to try to find where Kakashi is hiding. As I said, it doesn't prevent Kakashi from performing anther Bunshin to fight for him. Danzig can't sense him nor see him unless you can prove he can. So this thing of Danzo knowing Kakashi is bunshin doesn't disprove my point.

I have already answered your question.

-What intelligence feats has Danzo shown he won't fall for such thing. He couldn't even figure out he was under Sasuke's Genjutsu, so he if he going to figure out something fooled Itachi and Pain who are smarter and more power than Danzo. As I said above, Danzo doesn't know where Kakashi's location is nor he can sense him, so this doesn't prevent Kakashi creating another Bunshin as he analyses functions of Kamui.

-Umm no. Danzo hasn't shown to copy a Jutsu before, because if he did, then he would be copying Sasuke's arsenal. Let's not give him feats he wasn't shown or stated to be able to perform. Regardless whether it's Bunshin carrying 10%, it's still able to perform some techniques and it can fight using Taijutsu. Even if Danzo can use Bunshin(which he can't), it's the fact he is the one at risk since he is wasting more Chakra and stamina, putting Izanagi at risk as it will take less than 10 minutes.

-My evidence is your scan of Asuma's statement. All Futon have cutting power. Kakuzu's Futon was in fact releasing wind looking needles that was cutting trees. That shows it's cutting power, unlike your claim of it being pressure damage which I would like to see a scan of that stating it is and not cutting power. Kakashi out righted stating Kakuzu's attack was using WIND and FIRE. You're twisting manga statement. Either way, Manga has shown Kakashi blocking it via Suiton wall which he did. So I don't why you're saying otherwise.

-That's because Danzo was standing behind Susanoo as it was blocking him from being absorbed. More ever, Danzo said Susanoo was opened. Yet he was slow enough. Sasuke made 8 hand seals and turned around and punched Danzo who was still running even few panels away. If Danzo is that slow ass, then he isn't fast enough to hit Kakashi while kamui Baku. He hasn't shown any speed feats suggesting that. Kamui was enough to teleport BM Naruto from the stake which Obito couldn't follow. Lol a hyperbole of Izanagi. I guess I will have to bring the hyperbole of the invincible Kamui.

According to Databook, nothing can defend against Kamui, therefore, Izanagi doesn't stop Kamui, period.
 

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Going with Danzo, the only way Kakashi can kill Danzo is with close range attacks, and that's gonna be suicide. Simple as that. Sasuke had the elemental advantage and it was already shown to be not enough without the aid of Susanoo's protection.
 

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Kakashi mid high diff. He already went up against opponents he had to kill multiple times
good for him. useless here as danzo can only die once, and besides kakuzu was beating him.

Sealing a clone or better yet the the fact that he had to release the seal before he attempted to kill sasuke? Or the fact that he can't use it with izanagi?
um you can use any of your moves with izanagi. thats one of the points behind it. e didnt release the seal. sasuke broke out of it.

-Umm no. Danzo hasn't shown to copy a Jutsu before, because if he did, then he would be copying Sasuke's arsenal.
what did sasuke use that can be copied? not chidori as even itachi couldnt copy it



As I said above, Danzo doesn't know where Kakashi's location is nor he can sense him, so this doesn't prevent Kakashi creating another Bunshin as he analyses functions of Kamui.
sharingan sees chakra. i dont know why you dont know that. itachi had trouble locating real kabuto as kabuto had spread his chakra around the cave. danzo will onyl see two sources of chakra.kakshi and kakashis clone


What intelligence feats has Danzo shown he won't fall for such thing. He couldn't even figure out he was under Sasuke's Genjutsu
without knowing your own chakra fluctuations via sensor powers, no one can actually just "realise they are under genjutsu" until theres something in that genjutsu that doesnt seem like its real





According to Databook, nothing can defend against Kamui, therefore, Izanagi doesn't stop Kamui, period.
databook was created before izanagi. if izanagi reverses danzo being TURNED TO PASTE it can reverse him being transported to another dimension



Besides izanagi reverses death not teleportation. If kakashi jumps his entire body he's stuck.
wait so danzo DIED to all of sasukes random attacks? its a genjutsu, you cant simply warp a genjutsu. im pretty sure it damn near reverses time as the blood from one of danzo's "deaths" vanished as well. kakashi didnt kamui anything. it was actually an illusion.



The chances of him even touching kakashi in cqc is low considering kakashi went head to head with hidan without so much as a scratch.
he touched sasuke...



Danzo wasn't even fast enough to kill Sasuke who was badly injured and tired
and danzo was ALSO injured and holding back and on low chakra

Kakashi Win Mid-High dif Danzou dont Have much Strategy on his attacks He only uses his Izanagi and The sumons Kakashi shuld Outsmart him with his curent abilitys and Kamui is to much.
outsmart how? its not like izanagi is hard to figure out and is powerless when you do. izanagis only counter is enough stamina to continually hit danzo hard and fast for 11 minutes. sasuke needed susano and his high ass stamina to survive
And unlike sasuke will take note of his fluctuating chakra levels.
kakashis not a sensor. if sasuke couldnt detect that no non sensor can
And can analyze the trick to his izanagi much faster than la sauce did.
izanagi is NOT THAT HARD. its glorified clone spam. the only counter to it is defence and stamina to bot survive danzos fuuton barrage and his izanagi time limit. its a battle of stamina which sasuke understood and could power through by hiding in susano and hitting danzo again and again. four raikiris and kakashis pushing it chakra wise
There's no wanking. Kakashi can send in another clone(if by any chance danzo beats the first clone)
kakashis clones DIE IN ONE HIT. WTF MAKES YOU THINK KAKASHI IS HASHIRAMA and make clones that can take high damage?


he will get finished by Kamui taking him along with his summoning.
which he avoids with izanagi
that was in fact Kakashi who had been fighting full day non stop against 7 Sword men of Kirigakure.
false. we dont know how long they were fighting as kishi off paneled it

Even if Danzo manages to beat the clone, then Kakashi will still be able to create another one as he is hiding underground analysing Izanagi's mechanics.
again kakashis chakra reserves dont allow that. they will already be on high consumption due to raikiri and kamui spam



Neji in his fight against Naruto, stated that his Byakugan cannot distinguish clones
BECAUSE NARUTO KNEW HOW BYAKUGAN WORKED and thus countered it by dividing chakra evenly and keeping his real self hidden

if he doesn't he gets killed even more easier judging by his weak physical capabilities in other departments
if danzo lands one touch the fight is over
OP made it War ARC, therefore he has nothing to worry about.
but it remains that using clones halves his chakra

He doesn't even need kamui to win. His KB tricks would be enough to counter Danzos 10minutes max of izanag
his KBs halve his chakra capacity, and are killed in one hit anyways. all they are there for is gathering intel and taking attacks. but this is a battle of outlasting and stamina. clones are suicide once kakashi realises that. sasuke won because he powered trhough it all with his chakra reserves and attacked danzo hard and fast. kakashis attacks might end up merely dodged. or cut in half by fuuton sword

Kakashi'a Bunshin was a doing a good job holding its own against Deva and Asura, as well as against 6 Jinchuuriki, Bijuu, and Gedo Mazo. So it can hold its own very long against someone like Danzo.
clones die in one hit. tht was real kakashi

Cause Danzo is going to see through Bunshin which Rinnegan and Byakugan had failed to distinguish. Sharingan has weaker perception than both of them
sharingan has seen through clones before. also neji failed becuse naruto had the skill to evenly distribute chakra through his clones
Taken consideration of his instant Kamui
doesnt matter if its instant. danzo reality warps out of the dimension

yet he is fast enough to kill Kakashi who has larger Chakra and stamina.
lol wut? kakashi lost half his chakra pool to a mere raiton clone usage. kamui spam outrght kills him




But seeing as Sasuke wasn't even moved by the suction:

Kakashi could resist it via instantaneous Earth Wall
sasuke was saved by his susano armour. earth wall only protects one side

but kakashi would win high diff. due to genjutsu
sasuke tried that and it got broken

Also, other effective counters to Baku would be:

A.) Kamui Snipe to the neck
waste of chakra


his sharingan will take notice
without subtle hints sasuke wouldnt have concluded izanagi had a limit or that he couldnt just retreat and try long range

He can simply beat him using other techniques.
no he cant. his staminas worse than danzo's

So you're saying Kakashi can't do the same thing, despite he leaves a lightning shadow clone Jutsu to take the fight for him, while he hides analysing the fight. He has done the same thing with Pain, and will do it with Danzo.
clones die with one semi hard punch

As the techniques he can use, forms of Chidori, Shadow clone Jutsu and his nature transformations.
if kakashi knows about izanagi he will try to do what karin suggested and try long range distance fighting. useless as danzo would just turn izanagi off

To also note, Kakashi against Zabuza, performed the multiple Shadow clone Jutsu on the same scale as Naruto. That was P1 Kakashi, who now in War ARC has much larger reserves of Stanina and Chakra, so he can spam the Jutsu for couple of times. Danzig won't be taking him by surprise. Faking death which Kakashi will notice.
massive waste of chakra. theres a reason why kakashi cant always do it in battle. and all kakashi will conclude by danzo regenerating is that its a clone or hes under a genjutsu. not that danzo is using some ancient uchiha kinjusu
 

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Actually Kakashi can win this if he teleports Danzo full-body into Kamui dimension. He did it to Naruto after all. Izanagi wouldn't work because Danzo wouldn't have died, he would just be trapped.

Theoretically Kakashi can pull this off in CQC since Danzo has no knowledge on it.
 

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Actually Kakashi can win this if he teleports Danzo full-body into Kamui dimension. He did it to Naruto after all. Izanagi wouldn't work because Danzo wouldn't have died, he would just be trapped.

Theoretically Kakashi can pull this off in CQC since Danzo has no knowledge on it.
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. Izanagi wouldn't work because Danzo wouldn't have died, he would just be trapped.
that has never been what izanagi does lol.
it essentially turns reality to an illusion. if theres something hapening you dont want to happen, you turn illusory and erase it. thats why the blood from one of danzo's "deaths" vanished along with him once it was done. it literally didnt happen
 

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-Neji in his fight against Naruto, stated that his Byakugan cannot distinguish clones. Pain also couldn't distinguish clones either. Sasuke and Obito who we're fighting against clones, their Sharingan couldn't help him knowing which one is the real. How in the world will Danzo who is inferior at using Dojutsu will distinguish Kakashi's clones?. Even if Danzo manages to beat the clone, then Kakashi will still be able to create another one as he is hiding underground analysing Izanagi's mechanics.

-that was in fact Kakashi who had been fighting full day non stop against 7 Sword men of Kirigakure. In P1, he made multiple Bunshin and he didn't have side effects. This time against Danzo, he will be just fine. Even if deciding not to use Kage Bunshin, he is in water land and shown to create water without any source. He can create a Mizu Bunshin to fight for him as it only uses 10% of Kakashi's strength.

-nothing implies or shows Danzo has stronger Futon attacks. In the scan you posted, Futon grants highest cutting power, meaning your definition of Kakuzu's Futon attack is incorrect. He is utilizing a much higher raw power of wind cutting in conjunction with destructive power capable of destroying a forest. That is superior to Danzo's pity Futon which you're overrating. I never said Kakashi overpowered them did i. I simply said he blocked the attack which he did for short amount of time though. Doesnt matter if it was full powered or not, it was in fact stronger than any of Danzo's a Futon attacks at both cutting and destruction. Kakashi will easily block al of Danzo's Futon.

-That would also put Danzo in trouble if he gets close to Baku as he will get sucked in meaning he will get finished by Kamui taking him along with his summoning.
I agree with everything you said and with the fact that kakashi wins against danzo and all..the only mistake you made was neji couldn't distinguish between clones..the only reason neji couldn't distinguish was because Naruto distributed chakra between his clones evenly..yes of course kakashi could do the same but normally neji could distinguish betweem a normal clone and a real person
 
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