Danzo vs Itachi

[Apêx1]

tsukuyomi is useless. It will break Danzo's spirit for a second. Then Izanagi changes the result of him being effected by it.



Your words against manga. Manga (Itachi) says you can keep the results that are useful to you. Being sealed is not useful to Danzo, so he can rewrite it.

Ok I forgot how op izanagi is.

Debatable. Shikki Fujin rendered any jutsu used while the person was being sealed void; they were incapable of casting. So Totsuka should be comparable given it seals you and puts you into Genjutsu. Though I could be wrong, I haven't seen anything regarding seals vs izanagi topic. Hopefully you won't try arguing Danzo winning though.

 

[Nattana]

Danzo should win.

 

[Lariatoo]

Ok I forgot how op izanagi is.

Debatable. Shikki Fujin rendered any jutsu used while the person was being sealed void; they were incapable of casting. So Totsuka should be comparable given it seals you and puts you into Genjutsu. Though I could be wrong, I haven't seen anything regarding seals vs izanagi topic. Hopefully you won't try arguing Danzo winning though.

Bt ter is also the fact that Tsukuyomi gives complete control of time on his dimension. Just because Itachi usually makes 1 second look like hours, it does not mean he could make the oposite (make Danzo think only one second passed, when in real life it passed more than 1 hour and his Izanagi ran out)

 

[Apêx1]

Bt ter is also the fact that Tsukuyomi gives complete control of time on his dimension. Just because Itachi usually makes 1 second look like hours, it does not mean he could make the oposite (make Danzo think only one second passed, when in real life it passed more than 1 hour and his Izanagi ran out)

Indeed. Tsukiyomi can force Danzo to deactivate Izanagi and allow him to one shot with totsuka.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Debatable. Shikki Fujin rendered any jutsu used while the person was being sealed void; they were incapable of casting. So Totsuka should be comparable given it seals you and puts you into Genjutsu. Though I could be wrong, I haven't seen anything regarding seals vs izanagi topic. Hopefully you won't try arguing Danzo winning though.

Hiruzen has shown to perform jutsu while Shiki was finished. If Izanagi is already performed then its useless to try to stop the cast since it already done.

I debated this with Zex

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Though most are my premise is mainly hypothetical ( like copying shadow clones) to support my victory in that debate, its unlikely that Danzo would perform like this in manga. Either way Itachi isn't taking this no more then high diff.

Bt ter is also the fact that Tsukuyomi gives complete control of time on his dimension. Just because Itachi usually makes 1 second look like hours, it does not mean he could make the oposite (make Danzo think only one second passed, when in real life it passed more than 1 hour and his Izanagi ran out)

Then Shisui's eye, Yin Release expert, and chakra control enables him to see through and break it. The only reason this jutsu is dangerous is only because it can become instant. Changing it gives a possibility to break the genjutsu.

 

[Draegod]

Itachi wins with medium difficulty. He is far more intelligent then Sasuke (who outsmarted Danzo), and more then likely has full intel on the mechanics behind Izanagi. That, coupled with the fact that he's superior to MS Sasuke in nearly every category solidifies him with a win. Hell, even sick Itachi has better stamina feats then MS Sasuke. Danzo doesn't stand a chance if we're going to be real here.

Ms Sasuke destroys him in chakra and stamina no diff! It isn't even close one bit bro!!! Hell ms sasuke beats alive itachi as well.

 

[Lariatoo]

Indeed. Tsukiyomi can force Danzo to deactivate Izanagi and allow him to one shot with totsuka.

Exactly. As Obito said during the Danzo vs Sasuke fight: "It's not just the power of the genjutsu. Its how you use it." And if Sasuke could trick Danzo with genjutsu I really doubt Itachi couldn't.

 

[Draegod]

Exactly. As Obito said during the Danzo vs Sasuke fight: "It's not just the power of the genjutsu. Its how you use it." And if Sasuke could trick Danzo with genjutsu I really doubt Itachi couldn't.

Sasuke tricked a non sharingan active Danzou. So mute point. Add the fact Danzou underestimated sasuke abd had no ideas on his aresanal, while he knows itachis main aresanal.

 

[NarutoX28]

Sasuke tricked a non sharingan active Danzou. So mute point. Add the fact Danzou underestimated sasuke abd had no ideas on his aresanal, while he knows itachis main aresanal.

Actually, he used the genjutsu the instant before Danzo's Sharingan went blind.

 

[KidGamer65]

Izanami would one shot him tbh. Doesn't even need it to win.

 

[Nattana]

Izanami would one shot him tbh. Doesn't even need it to win.

And KA would one shot Itachi.

I believe good arguments can be presented for both Danzo and Itachi.

 

[Draegod]

And KA would one shot Itachi.

I believe good arguments can be presented for both Danzo and Itachi.

Lmao it's funny when you use there logic against them.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Ms Sasuke destroys him in chakra and stamina no diff! It isn't even close one bit bro!!! Hell ms sasuke beats alive itachi as well.

You're wrong bruh.

 

[KidGamer65]

And KA would one shot Itachi.

I believe good arguments can be presented for both Danzo and Itachi.

Assuming it's not restricted, then yeah.

But no. Danzo loses if he doesn't have KA, and Itachi doesn't need Izanami to win.

 

[Beans2]

KA one shots Itachi if it's unrestricted, otherwise Itachi one shots with Izanami.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Danzo 1shots

 

[KidGamer65]

Hiruzen has shown to perform jutsu while Shiki was finished. If Izanagi is already performed then its useless to try to stop the cast since it already done.

I debated this with Zex

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.

Though most are my premise is mainly hypothetical ( like copying shadow clones) to support my victory in that debate, its unlikely that Danzo would perform like this in manga. Either way Itachi isn't taking this no more then high diff.



Then Shisui's eye, Yin Release expert, and chakra control enables him to see through and break it. The only reason this jutsu is dangerous is only because it can become instant. Changing it gives a possibility to break the genjutsu.

Lol. Danzo breaking out of Tsukuyomi is probably the most foolish thing I've heard about the subject of breaking Tsukuyomi since good ol Bogard made a thread stating Kakashi can do it to. No Uchiha blood=No breaking Tsukuyomi. Danzo having Shisui's eye isn't going to change that, and since when was he a Yin Release expert? Since when was his chakra control anything spectacular?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Realistically, why would Itachi even use Izanami when he doesn't even need to? He'd be sacrificing Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi, when his skillset alone makes a mockery out of Danzo.

 

[KidGamer65]

So how exactly does Danzo win again?

-Offense is useless due to Katon and Susanoo.
-Has no defense bar Izanagi, which MS Sasuke was able to overcome.
-Has no chance in CQC given he can't even handle Sasuke in this area.
-Can't break Tsukuyomi if he's caught.

 

[Beans2]

Lol. Danzo breaking out of Tsukuyomi is probably the most foolish thing I've heard about the subject of breaking Tsukuyomi since good ol Bogard made a thread stating Kakashi can do it to. No Uchiha blood=No breaking Tsukuyomi. Danzo having Shisui's eye isn't going to change that, and since when was he a Yin Release expert? Since when was his chakra control anything spectacular?

Idk about the bold. Do you think Hashirama would be able to break Tsukuyomi? Danzo has Shisui's MS and Hashirama's cells which are like ninja steroids. Sasuke with 3T+Uchiha DNA+Curse mark broke Tsuku. Danzo has the best genjutsu user's MS+Hashirama DNA. Danzo breaking Tsuku doesn't sound impossible to me.

Besides, izanagi rewrites history of anything negative that happens to the user, not just death. Torturous mental damage would fall under the category of something negative...after Tsuku ends, Danzo can just commit suicide and the whole thing is rewritten as a bad dream.

Realistically, why would Itachi even use Izanami when he doesn't even need to? He'd be sacrificing Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi, when his skillset alone makes a mockery out of Danzo.

Honestly I think 3T Itachi would push Danzo to high difficulty. He only needs Susanoo to anchor himself for a second while he lights up Baku's ass on fire.