Danzo vs 2nd Mizukage

[Brother Numpsay]

Intel: None.

Location: Where Gaara vs Mizukage

Restriction: Scenario 1: Danzo cannot use KA straight off the bat, can only used it last resort.
Scenario 2: No KA at all.

 

[UchihaInza]

2nd Mizukage wins..but hey my opinion ..Uchiha Inza

 

[KidGamer65]

Mizukage wins mid diff in both scenarios.

The Mirage Genjutsu prevents him from seeing the real Mizukage and he will only see mirages so KA is out of the question. He also can't stop Joki Boy, nor can he hit the Mizukage when he has the Hydrafication Technique.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Scenario 1: Nidaime Mizukage mid diff.
Scenario 2: Nidaime Mizukage mid diff.

 

[BigBlade Master]

2 Mizukage mid-diff

 

[Kages]

Scenario 1- Danzo High diff. Mizukage has no counter to KA

Scenario 2- Mizukage mid diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Danzo is basically on the clock (10 mins of God mode) to figure out how to defeat 2nd.

-Wouldn't Danzo realized that what the 2nd Summon, is what's causing him to be mirage, attacks not being effective? Danzo should be smart enough to conclude that it had to do with the Summoning.

-Question: Do you think 2nd is Immune to imprint seals/Juinjutsu? Why?
I personally think he is not although he is Hyro, he is still touchable.

-Shisui eye: Since Sharingan can see color chakra wouldn't this benefit Danzo in seeing where the Summon is located at?

Just pointing out things that could show Danzo, possibly taking this fight too.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Danzo should be able to see through the genjutsu with the Sharingan (which sees chakra as colours, etc), just like Madara for instance can use genjutsu to see through things nobody else can see through (wood clones, Kage Bushin, etc), or how Itachi sees through seemingly every genjutsu. Of course, he can't overuse his Sharingan, which means he might not whip it out right away... but as soon as he does he can see through the illusion, and after that he's got plenty of ways to handle the 2nd Mizukage, even without Shi Sui's eye. Izanagi for instance.

However, given the scenario, it'd be a good fight is Danzo didn't have a Sharingan at all. Because if he aimed Koto at the wrong Mizukage (and it was just a mirage), then his best move is gone like that.

 

[Drakengard]

Danzo actually has a good chance here IMO. Even without previous knowledge of the clam, as long as he activates Izanagi quickly he might be able to make the connection from the clam to the genjutsu considering the Mizukage has to summon the clam before the illusion takes effect. He has a good amount of time to do this. The baku's almost the perfect counter for it too since the clam forms mirages from the mist it generates. Actually destroying it might be hard but Futons are known for their power. Then it probably comes down to whether or not you think his attacks will hurt the Mizukage.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Danzo should be able to see through the genjutsu with the Sharingan (which sees chakra as colours, etc), just like Madara for instance can use genjutsu to see through things nobody else can see through (wood clones, Kage Bushin, etc), or how Itachi sees through seemingly every genjutsu.


Of course, he can't overuse his Sharingan, which means he might not whip it out right away... but as soon as he does he can see through the illusion, and after that he's got plenty of ways to handle the 2nd Mizukage, even without Shi Sui's eye. Izanagi for instance.

However, given the scenario, it'd be a good fight is Danzo didn't have a Sharingan at all. Because if he aimed Koto at the wrong Mizukage (and it was just a mirage), then his best move is gone like that.

Given the Scenario he will not use KA from the bat. And from manga knowledge it seems 2nd Mizukage uses Mirage Genjutsu first.
KA a mirage will not be the problem since he will find how to stop the genjutsu first.

 

[ItachiStyle]

He doesn't need Koto though. He has a Sharingan that lets him see through the genjutsu. And with stuff like Izanagi, Danzo is going to have no problem winning.

 

[Curse Mark]

Mizukage wins mid diff in both scenarios.

The Mirage Genjutsu prevents him from seeing the real Mizukage and he will only see mirages so KA is out of the question. He also can't stop Joki Boy, nor can he hit the Mizukage when he has the Hydrafication Technique.

I agree with the Mizukage winning and the mirage tech playing a big part, but eye contact is not required for KA. Do you need to see your target? I don't think it's been specified.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

He doesn't need Koto though. He has a Sharingan that lets him see through the genjutsu. And with stuff like Izanagi, Danzo is going to have no problem winning.

True. I also thought that after successfully taking out Clam, he could Reverse 4 seal Joki-boy and Izanagi out. =0

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with the Mizukage winning and the mirage tech playing a big part, but eye contact is not required for KA. Do you need to see your target? I don't think it's been specified.

I'm pretty sure that if he can't see him then he can't cast it on him.

 

[ItachiStyle]

You don't need eye contact, but it seems you do need to see your target. So if Danzo uses it on a clone, it's wasted, much like when Itachi wasted genjutsu on one of Kakashi's clones.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I agree with the Mizukage winning and the mirage tech playing a big part, but eye contact is not required for KA. Do you need to see your target? I don't think it's been specified.

I restrict KA in the beggning matach for a reason. Danzo Can KA before 2nd Slap his hands on the ground.

 

[Curse Mark]

I restrict KA in the beggning matach for a reason. Danzo Can KA before 2nd Slap his hands on the ground.

Oh, hahahahahahaha. You must have missed where I wasn't talking at all about what time he would use KA, and I was discussing how exactly it works. But anyways.

We don't really know whether or not you do need to see your target. For all we know, it could cast a genjutsu on an entire area and effect people inside of it, or all you have to do is know your target, honestly it's kind of up in the air for now. But after seeing Itachi's crow use it on him, I feel like it does indeed require the eye to see the target.

 

[ItachiStyle]

So far it has required line of sight, so we can't prop it an ability it hasn't shown (wide area effect).

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Oh, hahahahahahaha. You must have missed where I wasn't talking at all about what time he would use KA, and I was discussing how exactly it works. But anyways.
Oh, my fault

We don't really know whether or not you do need to see your target. For all we know, it could cast a genjutsu on an entire area and effect people inside of it, or all you have to do is know your target, honestly it's kind of up in the air for now. But after seeing Itachi's crow use it on him, I feel like it does indeed require the eye to see the target.

I think Danzo could take this without KA. But I am going to give 2nd Mizukage, scene 2 win.
Danzo scene 1 win

Overall: I'll vote for Danzo.

 

[GiantShuriken]

With those restrictions, Mizukage wins with his genjutsu. Danzo can't cast a genjutsu on Mizukage when he himself is in a Genjutsu!