Danzo and Itachi are the only true shinobi

[NukaCola]

Kisame fought and defeated Roshi alone. :|

Itachi let it happen, he was partially responsible

 

[The Necromancer]

Itachi let it happen, he was partially responsible

I guess you're responsible for 9/11 then.

Face it. Itachi's need to guard his cover required him to look past some deeds. You would expect Itachi to fight all of Akatsuki all at once, die, and let them restore the Juubi back in part 1.

 

[UncleRuckus]

This thread is stupid, if you're saying itachi gave everything for konoha so that makes him a shinobi but naruto/sasuke arent, then you're really stupid and havent been watching the show at all. So far, naruto has been the one fixing the mistakes that were made by these "so called" shinobi. Naruto risked his life to fight off pain, naruto and sasuke are risking their life to fight madara, also while doing that naruto manages to cloak protect every konoha..including other ninja alliances. Naruto lost what he would've called life if he hadnt lost his parent, but regardless naruto fights for konoha, naruto was treated like shit, but he sacrificed his personal needs for the greater good. To make things even more real, naruto and sasuke HAVE given their lives for the greater good of the village, but their destiny saved them (sage)...so idk wtf you're on about.

You're stupid and your thread is stupid.

 

[NukaCola]

I guess you're responsible for 9/11 then.

Face it. Itachi's need to guard his cover required him to look past some deeds. You would expect Itachi to fight all of Akatsuki all at once, die, and let them restore the Juubi back in part 1.

Itachi play a hand in the extraction of the Ichibi and the death of Gaara.
Itachi is not a saint, get over it

 

[Drakengard]

What do you mean? They're obviously not the only ones who sacrifice themselves for others.. just look at Might Dai for instance.

I actually think the theme of the story is that it's easy to hide behind statistics and cold logic to justify your answers, but true shinobi (at least in this manga) are the ones that stick with what they believe is right, like Naruto's philosophy of not going the easy way or taking any shortcuts (Infinite Tsukuyomi) to achieve your goals but instead following the harder yet truer path. Itachi obviously regrets some of his decisions, so did he become less intelligent/knowledgeable than during the massacre?

 

[Grammar Nazi]

Itachi play a hand in the extraction of the Ichibi and the death of Gaara.
Itachi is not a saint, get over it

Its called a small sacrifice for the bigger cause. That's also part of being a shinobi. A ninja is not a saint, they wouldn't mind getting their hands dirty if it helps them achieve their goals/missons. Itachi had to do the bare minimum to keep his cover in the akatsuki where his bigger goal was preventing Obito from attacking konoha. You see the damage Nagato did to konoha? It would have happened a lot sooner if Itachi hadn't bargained with Tobi.

 

[NukaCola]

Its called a small sacrifice for the bigger cause. That's also part of being a shinobi. A ninja is not a saint, they wouldn't mind getting their hands dirty if it helps them achieve their goals/missons. Itachi had to do the bare minimum to keep his cover in the akatsuki where his bigger goal was preventing Obito from attacking konoha. You see the damage Nagato did to konoha? It would have happened a lot sooner if Itachi hadn't bargained with Tobi.

Akatasuki(Itachi included) is responsible of the events of the manga.

 

[skydragonslayer]

and what about kushina and minato? they sacrificed their lives and their son just to capture the nine tails for the sake of konoha and the world, so the shinobi world could have a hero

 

[MinaButt]

A lot of ninja sacrifice themselves, not just Itachi.

 

[Grammar Nazi]

Akatasuki(Itachi included) is responsible of the events of the manga.

Of course.

But Itachi had zero dedication for their cause. The stuff he did for them(like extracting the biiju) is something almost anyone could have done. It's not even a prominent task. He did the absolute bare minimum.

On the other hand, if the akatsuki sent someone like Nagato in part 1 to retrieve Naruto, Nagato would have destroyed the entire village, killed Jiraiya and then took Naruto with him. So in a way, Itachi did more stalling and hindering to them than helping.

 

[NukaCola]

Of course.

But Itachi had zero dedication for their cause. The stuff he did for them(like extracting the biiju) is something almost anyone could have done. It's not even a prominent task. He did the absolute bare minimum.

On the other hand, if the akatsuki sent someone like Nagato in part 1 to retrieve Naruto, Nagato would have destroyed the entire village, killed Jiraiya and then took Naruto with him. So in a way, Itachi did more stalling and hindering to them than helping.

It doesn't matter what level of dedication you have if you still do it.

 

[ShiroT]

Why is there many stupid threads like " Sasuke > Naruto " " Naruto > Sasuke " " who has more fans nardo or Sauce "


They are not even a shinobi [ nardo and sasky ]

I said the BEST shinobi not the STRONGEST shinobi



Itachi and Danzo are True shinobis .. imo the greatest
They did everything for konoha ..





itachi is a great shinobi ..*
Itachi sacrificed his life for the village
Itachi died for the village
Itachi lived for the village
Itachi did everything for the village .. a great shinobi doesn't mean a strong shinobi... "Will of Fire" and "Your Ninja Way" shall be followed at all costs

Even Danzo knew how great is itachi..

He said to sasuke :

Self sacrifice, that's what epitomises a shinobi. Never seeing the light of day, toiling in the shadows. That's the way of a true shinobi and not just Itachi. Countless shinobi have died the same way. This world could not function on ideals and pleasantries. It's thanks to people like him that peace has been maintained.










And Danzo Shimura ..
This man is a true shinobi
For all Danzo's hatters please go back to your emotional drama shit you do every day. You guys got no lives but to spread rumors about other people and act like you really care about somebody when you really don't. Danzo is what a Shinobi should really be. Not emotional childish Naruto Uzumaki ***** that cries about Sasuke betraying the leaf. Move on you crybaby and listen to Danzo. Living Uchiha's will trigger war anyways.


Who is the shinobi .. ?

What is the tree of the hidden leaf .. ?


Danzo was a Shinobi who knew the dark underbelly of the shinobi world. dont insult his name. He is the leader of the anbu who are the roots that support the tree that is the hidden leaf.

i guess naruto throwing his life on the line for his village doesnt count

 

[ShiroT]

and what about kushina and minato? they sacrificed their lives and their son just to capture the nine tails for the sake of konoha and the world, so the shinobi world could have a hero

exactly .

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Itachi and Danzo are True shinobis .. imo the greatest
They did everything for konoha ..

a corrupt village that has started world wars for greed and power.

Its called a small sacrifice for the bigger cause. That's also part of being a shinobi. A ninja is not a saint, they wouldn't mind getting their hands dirty if it helps them achieve their goals/missons. Itachi had to do the bare minimum to keep his cover in the akatsuki where his bigger goal was preventing Obito from attacking konoha. You see the damage Nagato did to konoha? It would have happened a lot sooner if Itachi hadn't bargained with Tobi.

its called being a murderous evil psychopathic monster.
a ninja is a saint, naruto showed us this.
itachi wanted to murder innocent people for no rason given he had no cover in akatsuki and no intel being given to others in konha given konoha was entirely clueless about everything.
his bigger goal was to help akatsuki kill everyon and destroy everything.
which they will do if they get bijuus, with itachi helping them get them.
obito has no reason to liive up to any promises if he has 8 fuking bijuus with him. and no reason to concern himself with a place as weak as konoha. one bijuudama and hes done with it.
but itachi didnt understand that. he wanted to help akatsuki kill everyone and start a world war by gifting them WMDs for free and doing absolutely nothing to even slow them down.
it wouldnt happen sooner you imbecile. all obito needs to destroy konoha is to incite a war in another nation and get them pissed off enough at konoha to attack them on obitos orders. obito had control of the entire mist vilage yet did he send his armies at konoha? NO. so the threat is completetly off the table because obito does not give a shit about konoha.

itachi is a great shinobi ..*
Itachi sacrificed his life for the village
Itachi died for the village
Itachi lived for the village

wrong. itahci betrayed konoha several times, left it defenceless and aided its enemies in capturing living nukes. he didnt sacrifice his life for anything given he dropped dead of a disease.

Self sacrifice, that's what epitomises a shinobi. Never seeing the light of day, toiling in the shadows. That's the way of a true shinobi and not just Itachi. Countless shinobi have died the same way. This world could not function on ideals and pleasantries. It's thanks to people like him that peace has been maintained.

ironically both itachi and danzo were unwilling to make any self sacrifices. itachi wanted to die because he cant toil away, and wants to escape the pain. danzo didnt want to die because of his cowardice.
also many ninjas in the seires have their own definitions of what a shinobi is. naruto says its one who has a ninja way or nindo.

t. Danzo is what a Shinobi should really be. Not emotional childish Naruto Uzumaki ***** that cries about Sasuke betraying the leaf. Move on you crybaby and listen to Danzo. Living Uchiha's will trigger war anyways.

danzo is a corrupt dictator psychopath who brainwashes and kills children for his own gain

Danzo was a Shinobi who knew the dark underbelly of the shinobi world.

and rather than try to change it, he made it worse

When I say A GREAT shinobi I mean a shinobi who sacrifice his family and his live for konoha

so great shinobis waste their time serving a corrupt dictatorship and support its evil elders?
someone who sacrifices nothing as itachi did, is a corurpt evil *******.
itachi only chose konoha to serve over his family because he knew konoha was the strongest. thats the only real reason why he would choose them over his family. if uchihas were the most powerful clan and their victory was never in doubt once it became a possibility, itachi would have killed people but it would be deaths from the losing side, konoha.
he never loved the village as he claimed. if it looked inevitable that konoha would be destroyed, itachi would join up with the winners and save unnecessary bloodshed. for him loyalty is a foreign concept. dying for your beliefs, also foriegn. all he really cares about is committing genocides for the winning side.

Face it. Itachi's need to guard his cover required him to look past some deeds. You would expect Itachi to fight all of Akatsuki all at once, die, and let them restore the Juubi back in part 1.

itachi has no cover given he wasnt spying on anyone. konoha knew nothing about akatsuki. NOTHING.
and we cant be forced to look past his heinous acts of murder just because he thinks he can make a difference being in akatsuki when hes not.
itachi always supports the winning side, thus he supported akatsuki.
if akatsuki was some backwater gang of bandits do you think itachi would spend even one second with them?
if they were such a threat, how come konan showed more preparation and intelligence to try and kill her bosses than itachi did?
its entirely likely you can kill even the strongest man with poison.

He wasn't much help to them. We can't even name one Biiju Itachi helped them capture. Heck he couldn't even retrieve a 13yo Naruto Uzumaki in part 1 and instead failed his mission on purpose.

that is helping. being there, is helping. because it means hes not using that same time to fight against them

Meanwhile, Itachi, who was in Akatsuki for 7 years, was assigned one jin, Naruto, and purposely failed to retrieve him when he could have at any time he wanted to. Kisame asked for help in capturing Roshi, but he refused and Kisame did it alone. Itachi helped them seal them, however, that was to keep his cover. He was never involved with the actual act of capturing them himself, just the sealing part, mainly because he had to.

nevertheless he still did nothing to sabotage or slow akatsuki down.
he was always present when they sealed the bijuus in the statue meaning he was helping seal up nukes and give them to obit which results in a world war.
he was always involved with them and helping them. regarless of whether or not he captured any jins. he let kisame succeed in getting roshi which resulted in the worst war in history.

 

[Conspirator.]

a corrupt village that has started world wars for greed and power.




wrong. itahci betrayed konoha several times, left it defenceless and aided its enemies in capturing living nukes. he didnt sacrifice his life for anything given he dropped dead of a disease.


ironically both itachi and danzo were unwilling to make any self sacrifices. itachi wanted to die because he cant toil away, and wants to escape the pain. danzo didnt want to die because of his cowardice.
also many ninjas in the seires have their own definitions of what a shinobi is. naruto says its one who has a ninja way or nindo.

danzo is a corrupt dictator psychopath who brainwashes and kills children for his own gain


and rather than try to change it, he made it worse

so great shinobis waste their time serving a corrupt dictatorship and support its evil elders?
someone who sacrifices nothing as itachi did, is a corurpt evil *******.
itachi only chose konoha to serve over his family because he knew konoha was the strongest. thats the only real reason why he would choose them over his family. if uchihas were the most powerful clan and their victory was never in doubt once it became a possibility, itachi would have killed people but it would be deaths from the losing side, konoha.
he never loved the village as he claimed. if it looked inevitable that konoha would be destroyed, itachi would join up with the winners and save unnecessary bloodshed. for him loyalty is a foreign concept. dying for your beliefs, also foriegn. all he really cares about is committing genocides for the winning side.


itachi has no cover given he wasnt spying on anyone. konoha knew nothing about akatsuki. NOTHING.
and we cant be forced to look past his heinous acts of murder just because he thinks he can make a difference being in akatsuki when hes not.
itachi always supports the winning side, thus he supported akatsuki.
if akatsuki was some backwater gang of bandits do you think itachi would spend even one second with them?
if they were such a threat, how come konan showed more preparation and intelligence to try and kill her bosses than itachi did?
its entirely likely you can kill even the strongest man with poison.


that is helping. being there, is helping. because it means hes not using that same time to fight against them



nevertheless he still did nothing to sabotage or slow akatsuki down.
he was always present when they sealed the bijuus in the statue meaning he was helping seal up nukes and give them to obit which results in a world war.
he was always involved with them and helping them. regarless of whether or not he captured any jins. he let kisame succeed in getting roshi which resulted in the worst war in history.

Great post, +rep

 

[Chie]

a corrupt village that has started world wars for greed and power.


its called being a murderous evil psychopathic monster.
a ninja is a saint, naruto showed us this.
itachi wanted to murder innocent people for no rason given he had no cover in akatsuki and no intel being given to others in konha given konoha was entirely clueless about everything.
his bigger goal was to help akatsuki kill everyon and destroy everything.
which they will do if they get bijuus, with itachi helping them get them.
obito has no reason to liive up to any promises if he has 8 fuking bijuus with him. and no reason to concern himself with a place as weak as konoha. one bijuudama and hes done with it.
but itachi didnt understand that. he wanted to help akatsuki kill everyone and start a world war by gifting them WMDs for free and doing absolutely nothing to even slow them down.
it wouldnt happen sooner you imbecile. all obito needs to destroy konoha is to incite a war in another nation and get them pissed off enough at konoha to attack them on obitos orders. obito had control of the entire mist vilage yet did he send his armies at konoha? NO. so the threat is completetly off the table because obito does not give a shit about konoha.




wrong. itahci betrayed konoha several times, left it defenceless and aided its enemies in capturing living nukes. he didnt sacrifice his life for anything given he dropped dead of a disease.


ironically both itachi and danzo were unwilling to make any self sacrifices. itachi wanted to die because he cant toil away, and wants to escape the pain. danzo didnt want to die because of his cowardice.
also many ninjas in the seires have their own definitions of what a shinobi is. naruto says its one who has a ninja way or nindo.

danzo is a corrupt dictator psychopath who brainwashes and kills children for his own gain


and rather than try to change it, he made it worse

so great shinobis waste their time serving a corrupt dictatorship and support its evil elders?
someone who sacrifices nothing as itachi did, is a corurpt evil *******.
itachi only chose konoha to serve over his family because he knew konoha was the strongest. thats the only real reason why he would choose them over his family. if uchihas were the most powerful clan and their victory was never in doubt once it became a possibility, itachi would have killed people but it would be deaths from the losing side, konoha.
he never loved the village as he claimed. if it looked inevitable that konoha would be destroyed, itachi would join up with the winners and save unnecessary bloodshed. for him loyalty is a foreign concept. dying for your beliefs, also foriegn. all he really cares about is committing genocides for the winning side.


itachi has no cover given he wasnt spying on anyone. konoha knew nothing about akatsuki. NOTHING.
and we cant be forced to look past his heinous acts of murder just because he thinks he can make a difference being in akatsuki when hes not.
itachi always supports the winning side, thus he supported akatsuki.
if akatsuki was some backwater gang of bandits do you think itachi would spend even one second with them?
if they were such a threat, how come konan showed more preparation and intelligence to try and kill her bosses than itachi did?
its entirely likely you can kill even the strongest man with poison.


that is helping. being there, is helping. because it means hes not using that same time to fight against them



nevertheless he still did nothing to sabotage or slow akatsuki down.
he was always present when they sealed the bijuus in the statue meaning he was helping seal up nukes and give them to obit which results in a world war.
he was always involved with them and helping them. regarless of whether or not he captured any jins. he let kisame succeed in getting roshi which resulted in the worst war in history.

Not going to counter this entire post. I respect your opinion and the effort you went through to post this though.

@bold though-Ninjas aren't saints. They are literally trained to be assassins from an early age. Even Naruto himself isn't a saint (though, he's the closest to it) considering he killed two people.

It was never revealed what intel Itachi gave them, however, that doesn't necessary denote an absence of spywork. We don't know the intel that Sasori gave Oro...does that make Sasori a bad spy? No, it does not.

Konoha did know a few things, it just differed on exactly who. Hiruzen acknowledged that he was entirely aware of Akatsuki's existence as were the elders, when a 13 year old Itachi left Konoha to be a missing-nin and join them. Itachi was the one to report to them. However, even though Hiruzen knew, it seems that the general population and jounin in Konoha were not informed. This is ideal, however, considering that this was an organization that wanted Naruto, a child who was hated by everyone and they were looking to get off their hands. Not a very good idea, hence why more than likely Hiruzen kept quiet about Akatsuki's existence and Jiraiya is the first one in the manga to be revealed to have info on them.

The master behind the scenes was Obito, someone who stayed clear of Itachi's presence and hid techs from him. Itachi wasn't even partnered with Obito, he was partnered with Kisame, the only confirmed moments he spent with Obito were during sealing. That's a significantly limited amount of time. Meanwhile, Konan is meeting regularly with Obito, due to being Nagato's closest member. It's common sense that she would have more preparation for Obito, he even freely used his MS tech in front of her.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

@bold though-Ninjas aren't saints. They are literally trained to be assassins from an early age. Even Naruto himself isn't a saint (though, he's the closest to it) considering he killed two people.

superman has killed. sometimes you have no choice.
and it doesnt mean you go on violent murderous sprees like itachi, just because you want to join the winning side.

Konoha did know a few things, it just differed on exactly who. Hiruzen acknowledged that he was entirely aware of Akatsuki's existence as were the elders,

i doubt it. had itachi been honest, he would say "this is a conglameration of the most powerful beings in the world, and they want bijuus, the other strongest beings, to be their slaves. DO SOMETHING".
but clearly all konoha had was suspicions and rumours.

It was never revealed what intel Itachi gave them, however, that doesn't necessary denote an absence of spywork. We don't know the intel that Sasori gave Oro...does that make Sasori a bad spy? No, it does not.

the entire story takes place in konoha.we know most of what thye knew and filtered down to their jounins by part 2's encounters.
the only reason they knew who zetsu even is is because kabuto, YES KABUTO, freaking told them in a document of info on akatsuki. kabuto was a better spy to konoha than itachi was because he flat out just gave them intel. even though he was as much of an untrustworthy murderous villain as itachi (he wiped out a platoon of anbu in part 1). he didnt waste time and resources sitting around thinking and doing nothing.

. This is ideal, however, considering that this was an organization that wanted Naruto, a child who was hated by everyone and they were looking to get off their hands.

konoha isnt stupid. entire wars are fought to obtain bijuu. they are basicalyl the WMDs of the shinobi world. letting some mystery shadow organisation build up power intending to take kyuubi for themselves = destroy them all right fukin now.
when akatsuki revealed its master stroke, it was already too late. hiruzen was dead and konoha didnt have the remaining manpower to declare all out war. even with tsunade desperately picking up the pieces.
had tsunade been informed of this grave threat she would have done everything possible to prepare.
as it is, they only clashed with akatsuki the moment gaara got taken.
thats an international incident and one worthy of both the entire leaf and sand villages making ready for war.
but again by then, those WMDS were in akatsuki possession.
but does itachi care enough to try and kill as many as he can then? no. he just sits back and thinks "well...the situation will resolve itself im sure. lets kill myself for no reason so my little shit brother can be even more evil"

The master behind the scenes was Obito, someone who stayed clear of Itachi's presence and hid techs from him.

no they were partners. itachi knew enough about obitos sharingan to rig a trap for him specifically.
during the massacre they must have found out at length about each other.
the master behind the scenes is obviously your main target and itachi, given hes evil corrupt and stupid, does nothing at all to even slow him down for 10 years and lets him get the WMDs which results in catastrophic world war.

It's common sense that she would have more preparation for Obito, he even freely used his MS tech in front of her.

im talking about sitting in a cave somewhere making poison gas bombs for years. with the time itachi had, he could have made enough potent poison to wipe out akatsuki in one single masterstroke. did he even try this? no. hes stupid. did he try to attack them when he got sick and thus only had weeks left to live anyway? no. hes too stupid and selfish for that.
did he just say "fuk it" and tsukuyomi every akatsuki he could before dying of exhaustion? no.
did he sabotage their plans and pick off akatsukis silently and above suspicion? no.
did he warn villages besides konoha? no.
did he have a network of secret allies and mercenaries? no.
it just doesnt seem to me like itachi was very committed to anything except sitting around and letting villains get stronger and stronger.
as i said kabuto did more to help konoha, and kakuzu did more damage to akatsuki

 

[shelke]

Not really. It's a matter of perspective anyways.

 

[Akasuna]

Kakashi? Gai? Minato? Tobirama? They all sacrificed things important to them, some of them even sacrificed their life, for the Leaf, so don't go spouting bullshit about Itachi and Danzo being the only true shinobi.

 

[senjusana]

Self sacrifice, that's what epitomises a shinobi. Never seeing the light of day, toiling in the shadows. That's the way of a true shinobi!

Itachi and Shisui rock!