[VS] Danzō vs EMS Madara

[Penguin]

Not Naruto or Bee

Until they are shown breaking it, they can be put in the genjutsu. They are not immune to genjutsu. Naruto told Bee to watch out for Itachi because of his genjutsu, which implies they are not immune.

 

[nakumaru]

Until they are shown breaking it, they can be put in the genjutsu. They are not immune to genjutsu. Naruto told Bee to watch out for Itachi because of his genjutsu, which implies they are not immune.

Kurama and Hachibi break them out if it.

Tsukiyomi is a diffrent case. In that fight Bee even broke out of Itachi's Genjutsu. The same will happen to KA

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

If so then Danzo takes this, but I'm pretty sure KA has a weakness as well.

It does and i'm sure Madara knows it

 

[Penguin]

Kurama and Hachibi break them out if it.

Tsukiyomi is a diffrent case. In that fight Bee even broke out of Itachi's Genjutsu. The same will happen to KA

You have no idea. We have not seen KA in action. So far all MS Jutsu require Uchiha DNA to break them out of it, plus Sharingan. MS Itachi could not break out of KA. Quit spewing nonsense.

 

[nakumaru]

You have no idea. We have not seen KA in action. So far all MS Jutsu require Uchiha DNA to break them out of it, plus Sharingan. MS Itachi could not break out of KA. Quit spewing nonsense.

Mifune broke out if KA just by learning he was in it. That throws your theory out the window.

Bee broke out of Sasuke's MS Genjutsu.

We've seen KA broken. Wether you like It or not it gets broken by perfect Jins. KA simply overrid Kabuto's control

 

[Curse Mark]

Mifune broke out if KA just by learning he was in it. That throws your theory out the window.

Bee broke out of Sasuke's MS Genjutsu.

We've seen KA broken. Wether you like It or not it gets broken by perfect Jins. KA simply overrid Kabuto's control

Mifune didn't break out. Danzo knew he was caught and like a scared child, he stopped doing what he knew he shouldnt be doing.

 

[nakumaru]

Mifune didn't break out. Danzo knew he was caught and like a scared child, he stopped doing what he knew he shouldnt be doing.

Where was that ever implied. It was broken

 

[Penguin]

Mifune broke out if KA just by learning he was in it. That throws your theory out the window.

Bee broke out of Sasuke's MS Genjutsu.

We've seen KA broken. Wether you like It or not it gets broken by perfect Jins. KA simply overrid Kabuto's control

Mifune did not break out? What are you smoking. Danzo quit the genjutsu since Ao found out he was using it. That was Sasuke's first time using a MS genjutsu, he did not have practice. KA has not been broken yet. Please show me some scans love. <3

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

You have no idea. We have not seen KA in action. So far all MS Jutsu require Uchiha DNA to break them out of it, plus Sharingan. MS Itachi could not break out of KA. Quit spewing nonsense.

Where you not just spitting nonsense about how Jin. weren't immune to Genjutsu, when the manga has clearly stated they are.

 

[Curse Mark]

Where was that ever implied. It was broken

Two can play at that game. Where was it ever implied he broke out?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Guys, both Kotoamatsukami and Izanami can be broken by perfect Jinchuriki's. Genjutsu works by vitriolic the chakra flow if the victim, Bijuus break said Genjutsu by disturbing the chakra flow.

No Genjutsu has ever been implied or shown to be unreadable and asking for prove if otherwise is like asking someone to prove a negative. The theory already has no basis.

Itachi's Tsukiyomi is the only one that is exempt from Perfect Jinchuriki's and that's only due to its applications of only lasting a moment in the real world.

Where you not just spitting nonsense about how Jin. weren't immune to Genjutsu, when the manga has clearly stated they are.

Jins are not immune to Genjutsu. They mearly have an easy way of dealing with it.

 

[Penguin]

Where you not just spitting nonsense about how Jin. weren't immune to Genjutsu, when the manga has clearly stated they are.

Well here is where I prove you wrong.

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That says "Bee if you get caught in Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu you are done!" -- Naruto a perfect Jin.

 

[Penguin]

Guys, both Kotoamatsukami and Izanami can be broken by perfect Jinchuriki's. Genjutsu works by vitriolic the chakra flow if the victim, Bijuus break said Genjutsu by disturbing the chakra flow.

No Genjutsu has ever been implied or shown to be unreadable and asking for prove if otherwise is like asking someone to prove a negative. The theory already has no basis.

Itachi's Tsukiyomi is the only one that is exempt from Perfect Jinchuriki's and that's only due to its applications of only lasting a moment in the real world.

Nice try, but you forgot. When Bee or Naruto talks to the Tailed Beast in themselves, time is also shortened, so Tsukuyomi should be no different to break. Kotoamatsukami will not be broken, until proven by Kishimoto.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Nice try, but you forgot. When Bee or Naruto talks to the Tailed Beast in themselves, time is also shortened, so Tsukuyomi should be no different to break. Kotoamatsukami will not be broken, until proven by Kishimoto.

Whenever Hachibi broke Bee out of Genjutsu it was in real time.

You trying to create a special circumstance for Kotoamatsukami. It's a Genjutsu and it can be broken, you have zero evidence of it being unbreakable. The Itachi example is moot because, as already stated, it overrid the ET command.

It gets broken. End of story.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Well here is where I prove you wrong.

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That says "Bee if you get caught in Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu you are done!" -- Naruto a perfect Jin.

But when was the last time naruto had even seen or fought itachi before then ..... Before his fight with Sasuke [ before he was a perfect jin.]. So when naruto stated this information in his mind he could still get caught , which he can't

 

[Penguin]

But when was the last time naruto had even seen or fought itachi before then ..... Before his fight with Sasuke [ before he was a perfect jin.]. So when naruto stated this information in his mind he could still get caught , which he can't

Manga > Your speculation. I will take Kishi's word for it.

Whenever Hachibi broke Bee out of Genjutsu it was in real time.

You trying to create a special circumstance for Kotoamatsukami. It's a Genjutsu and it can be broken, you have zero evidence of it being unbreakable. The Itachi example is moot because, as already stated, it overrid the ET command.

It gets broken. End of story.

How am I creating special circumstances? It cannot be broken, until it gets shwon being broken. End of story.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

By the way, re-read the entire conversation that was at the summit. There's no evidence or implications that KA was broken or ended.

So quit with all the speculation.

How am I creating special circumstances? It cannot be broken, until it gets shwon being broken. End of story.

That's not how debating works. We know how Genjutsu works and how Jins break it. By the implications set in the manga a Jinchuriki would break it. There's no evidence, no implications, nonothig point it to be unbreakable and I'm incline to go with what the manga has said and Jins break KA or any other Genjutsu for that matter. Itachi's Tsukiyomi is the only one that gives Jins the run around.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Manga > Your speculation. I will take Kishi's word for it.

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Wow, some people ; it's clear ..... the base has down graded so much since i joined

 

[Penguin]

Wow, some people ; it's clear ..... the base has down graded so much since i joined

If you are unhappy with the manga, make a new one where KA is breakable.

By the way, re-read the entire conversation that was at the summit. There's no evidence or implications that KA was broken or ended.

So quit with all the speculation.




That's not how debating works. We know how Genjutsu works and how Jins break it. By the implications set in the manga a Jinchuriki would break it. There's no evidence, no implications, nonothig point it to be unbreakable and I'm incline to go with what the manga has said and Jins break KA or any other Genjutsu for that matter. Itachi's Tsukiyomi is the only one that gives Jins the run around.

Kishi does not want Naruto under KA since he knows KA will affect Naruto. Why waste a main character? No evidence that Naruto or Bee break KA. Until you give me scans, goodbye.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

If you are unhappy with the manga, make a new one where KA is breakable.



Kishi does not want Naruto under KA since he knows KA will affect Naruto. Why waste a main character? No evidence that Naruto or Bee break KA. Until you give me scans, goodbye.

Don't be like thesages, you don't know what goes through Kishi's head so don't claim you do.

Again, no statements or feats point to it being unbreakable and we already know perfect Jins easily dispell Genjutsu. Something so blantantly obvious shouldn't need panels.

Don't get me wrong. Nakumaru was pulling shit out of his ass, but his conclusion is correct.