Curse mark users>genjutsu users

[HNIC]

GENJUTSU​

As most of us know, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses. Now, in order for genjutsu to be created, a ninja must control the chakra flow of the opponent's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses.

To combat the effects of genjutsu:

Now in order to break genjutsu, a ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra.

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This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person, the way Chiyo advised Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi to fighting genjutsu users.

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Or unless of course one is a perfect jinchuriki, the willingness to cooperate with their host.

CURSE MARK​

According to Kabuto, each curse mark seal itself contains Orochimaru's chakra and also contain parts of his consciousness, similar to that of a tailed beasts their jinchūriki. Now, in using the cursed Mark, the user receives increased chakra levels and physical capabilities when the seal is active. During this process, the seal forcefully absorbs a user's chakra while giving Orochimaru's own senjutsu chakra into the user's body in return. Similarity this is how perfect jinchuriki are able to break genjutsu effects. For possbile proof, Sasuke may have sharingan but it wasn't until he used curse mark when he was able to break free of Itachi's genjutsu

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So, in the end curse mark users are able to break genjutsu once using the different stages of their curse marks. Ultimately this meaning Kimimaro>3-tom Itachi and possbily Sasuke, but this is lesser of the concern =D

AGREE???

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[CHE nen]

yeah of course

Kimimaro>>>>Itachi *_**_**_*

 

[Mitarashi]

Interesting theory
It all comes down to what Kishimoto saysthough.

 

[HNIC]

yeah of course

Kimimaro>>>>Itachi *_**_**_*

lol besides that, do you agree?

 

[Ryutsu]

Genjutsu's wont do nothing to Naruto now because he has karuma (kyuubi) to protect him : D

 

[HNIC]

Genjutsu's wont do nothing to Naruto now because he has karuma (kyuubi) to protect him : D

this is about Curse mark users

 

[hyuuga teddy]

Curse seal users have always been dangerous fighters. I totally agree with your theory

 

[Fodder#4]

Agreed and nicely done.

 

[HNIC]

Curse seal users have always been dangerous fighters. I totally agree with your theory

Agreed and nicely done.

thank you both!

 

[Owarij]

The entire cursed seal thing never happened..

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The majority of their entire encounter never happened... Itachi had him in a genjutsu somewhere during their shruiken/kunai throwout..



In the pic above, Sasuke's cursed seal wings bursts through his clothing

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Once the genjutsu ends, you see Sasuke fully clothed, his back is shown, no wing tear... just sweating.. and he's in the same position he was at the start of the shruiken throwout



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Cursed seal does not break genjutsu

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[HNIC]

The entire cursed seal thing never happened..

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The majority of their entire encounter never happened... Itachi had him in a genjutsu somewhere during their shruiken/kunai throwout..



In the pic above, Sasuke's cursed seal wings bursts through his clothing

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Once the genjutsu ends, you see Sasuke fully clothed, his back is shown, no wing tear... just sweating.. and he's in the same position he was at the start of the shruiken throwout



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Cursed seal does not break genjutsu

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that wasnt genjutsu used in that last scan, nor does Juugo have Orochimaru's curse mark seal.

whether the wings appeared after or not doesnt matter. Sasuke used it regardless in his visual perception, thus the process actually occurred. The transition of chakra, physical properties are completely something different in genjutsu

 

[Owarij]

that wasnt genjutsu used in that last scan, nor does Juugo have Orochimaru's curse mark seal.

whether the wings appeared after or not doesn't matter. Sasuke used it regardless in his visual perception.

It was a genjutsu

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and you don't get it.. It didn't happen.. his mind was being played with..none of that happened, it's like saying his eye was actually ripped out.

 

[HNIC]

It was a genjutsu

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and you don't get it.. It didn't happen.. his mind was being played with..none of that happened, it's like saying his eye was actually ripped out.

i get none of it physically happens, it's a mental perfection. Juugo as mentioned doesn't have Curse Mark, Orochimaru's chakra nor conscious which are the points made

 

[Zexion~]

The only reason Curse Seal would break a genjutsu is because the user is shifting their chakra exponentially.. which is sort of what is needed to break a genjutsu .. So even if it does break through genjutsu which you did not proove that well .. it would only be minor ones .

 

[HNIC]

The only reason Curse Seal would break a genjutsu is because the user is shifting their chakra exponentially.. which is sort of what is needed to break a genjutsu .. So even if it does break through genjutsu which you did not proove that well .. it would only be minor ones .

you stated what i have posted, what more should have been presented?

 

[Owarij]

i get none of it physically happens, it's a mental perfection. Juugo as mentioned doesn't have Curse Mark, Orochimaru's chakra nor conscious which are the points made

and the mechanics are very similar to sage mode, orochimaru's "consciousness" has nothing to do with it, the entering of external chakra doesn't equate to chakra disruption.. we've seen this when Kabuto is put into a genjutsu

 

[HNIC]

and the mechanics are very similar to sage mode, orochimaru's "consciousness" has nothing to do with it, the entering of external chakra doesn't equate to chakra disruption.. we've seen this when Kabuto is put into a genjutsu

:eww: The two ways chakra disruption is either externally or internally. The external disruption comes froma third person, separate for the one caught. The internal disruption comes from a second source of charka placed within one, same as jinki. While his conscious has little to do with this, it's all about his chakra flowing within the curse mark. This is the sudden surge of chakra put into the affected person, perfect jink have to have their tailed beast do this, but with curse mark this happens manually as they switch stages of the curse mark.

 

[Owarij]

:eww: The two ways chakra disruption is either externally or internally. The external disruption comes froma third person, separate for the one caught. The internal disruption comes from a second source of charka placed within one, same as jinki. While his conscious has little to do with this, it's all about his chakra flowing within the curse mark. This is the sudden surge of chakra put into the affected person, perfect jink have to have their tailed beast do this, but with curse mark this happens manually as they switch stages of the curse mark.

Jinchuriki use the buddy method, i.e the so called "external" .. .the bijuu disrupts the flow of theiir jink's chakra... since they are just two separate entities in one body

The only difference with cursed seal and sage mode is that cursed seal drains and replaces their normal chakra with senjutsu chakra... and seperate incoming chakra is not the same as DISRUPTION... kabuto has proven this.. as his body is always naturally always taking in senjutsu chakra.(thanks to juugo). and stilll cannot overpower sharingan genjutsu, which is why he blocked his eyes

 

[HNIC]

Jinchuriki use the buddy method, i.e the so called "external" .. .the bijuu disrupts the flow of theiir jink's chakra... since they are just two separate entities in one body

The only difference with cursed seal and sage mode is that cursed seal drains and replaces their normal chakra with senjutsu chakra... and seperate incoming chakra is not the same as DISRUPTION... kabuto has proven this.. as his body is always naturally always taking in senjutsu chakra.(thanks to juugo). and stilll cannot overpower sharingan genjutsu, which is why he blocked his eyes

isn't Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra considered a separate entity on one body? I don't see how it isn't. This isn't SM, i know the porcess and why it doesn't work. Curse Mark is the same but different in the use of its host.

 

[Zexion~]

you stated what i have posted, what more should have been presented?

Hehe .. tbh i only read the bottom of your op abd assumed that was your argument .. my mistake