Current Sayain levels now.

[KingHashirama]

Weakest to the strongest (I just wanna see if people agree with me or not):

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Summary:

-Base form
-SSJ1
-SSJ2
-SSJ3
-SSJ GOD
- SSJ 4.

Now people have been starting to think SSJ GOD is stronger than SSJ4 but sadly it is not. As we all know the events of the new movie occured before GT, meaning Goku was still not on his GT strength, even in base form.

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

GT isn't even cannon

 

[KingHashirama]

GT isn't even cannon

Its canon as the new movie.

 

[itachi4real]

GT isn't even cannon

This......but if ur doing non canon then yes ss4 is stronger than ss god.....but broly solos anyway

 

[General PSX360]

I would agree if GT was Canon..

 

[KingHashirama]

And you guys are telling me you believe the new movie is canon? oh lord.

 

[Penguin]

Toriyama said the movie was canon though.

 

[itachi4real]

And you guys are telling me you believe the new movie is canon? oh lord.

Lol its okay king hashi its okay

 

[FreakensteinAG]

And you guys are telling me you believe the new movie is canon? oh lord.

It *was* developed by The Man Himself. . . While GT was developed in the late 80s when Toriyama was still getting pestered by fans to continue making more episodes that he just said "screw this, you make it this time!"

 

[xcoyote]

And you guys are telling me you believe the new movie is canon? oh lord.

Are you seriously telling me that you know better than Toriyama himself?
The new movie is canon :|

 

[KingHashirama]

Toriyama said the movie was canon though.

He never said GT wasn't canon. The canon and non-canon crap was started by fans. Not the owners of the series.. Yes Toriyama is not the sole creator of DBZ.

It *was* developed by The Man Himself. . . While GT was developed in the late 80s when Toriyama was still getting pestered by fans to continue making more episodes that he just said "screw this, you make it this time!"

SSJ 4 was designed by the man himself. You can't keep contradicting yourself, claiming the manga to be canon and the anime to be not..

They are different universes, just like Comics have their "alts". The new movie is part of the anime DB universe, just like GT.

Are you seriously telling me that you know better than Toriyama himself?
The new movie is canon :|

Are you seriously telling me, that Toriyama is the sole owner and creator of DBZ?

And seriously telling me that the Anime universe is the same as the manga -verse?

 

[Gerkak]

Omega shenron solo's

 

[KingHashirama]

Omega shenron solo's

The ultimate boss.

I would love to see a Darkseid and Omega Shenron team up vs Goku and Superman. =D

 

[FreakensteinAG]

SSJ 4 was designed by the man himself

No, it was designed by Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru.

You can't keep contradicting yourself, claiming the manga to be canon and the anime to be not..

Stop right there. In that case, only the end of DBZ is canon and nothing else.

 

[Young Vongola]

If "canon" by you people means it was created/designed by the original author, then SSJ4 is canon since Toriyama made the design. Broly is canon since he made the design, etc...

 

[KingHashirama]

No, it was designed by Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru.



Stop right there. In that case, only the end of DBZ is canon and nothing else.

Another misconception. Toriyama himself was responsible for the attributes of SSJ4. In fact it was permitted by him and they asked for his help.

Not even the end.. Since most of the movements they make is not in the manga.

As I said "canon vs non-canon" is a fan made stuff. No writer has ever said the anime is non-canon... No single writer.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Another misconception. Toriyama himself was responsible for the attributes of SSJ4. In fact it was permitted by him and they asked for his help.

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Not even the end.. Since most of the movements they make is not in the manga.

We better call up Kishimoto and tell him most of the developed anime isn't canon, then.

 

[iFlowMotion]

SSJ4 Vegeta> solos anyone in the DBZ verse...disagree feel free but vegeta is 2-0 against goku ^_^

 

[FreakensteinAG]

It's okay to admit that you were wrong, Hashi; there's nothing shameful about that.

 

[KingHashirama]

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We better call up Kishimoto and tell him most of the developed anime isn't canon, then.

"Toriyama himself was responsible for the attributes of SSJ4. In fact it was permitted by him and they asked for his help." I stated the attributes o-o. Akira has confirmed this in his interview....


Yup you better call him and tell him why he gave away the RIGHTS (the thing that determines what is canon and not) to others... and made other people the owners and writers and developers of DBZ.... go talk to him buddy. Because as far as Akira is concerned he hasn't stated on the anime or the movies or GT being non-canon. The GT project was approved by him.


How can one be wrong, if he isn't proven wrong?