Current Sasuke vs KCM Naruto

[Midday]

Are people really trying to say that Sasuke needed Naruto to form Perfect Susanoo? :|

I'd just like it to be crystal clear before I say Sasuke can do all of this without assistance. Considering the fact that prior to Madara gaining senju DNA he was unable to use a legged Susanoo during his fight with Hashirama,

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. Now that he has more chakra he can do more with his susanoo such as forming the legs, which is what I think is the case with Sasuke right now, not to mention his susanoo is several times larger.

 

[Gakido]

Current Sasuke = BSM Naruto. Why? Because Kishimoto did obviously portray that in the last chapter. They fight as equals now and even the likes of Tobirama are comparing both Naruto and Sasuke to Hashirama and Sasuke, saying that latter is on the way of surpassing Madara.

@End of Days, lol, Sasuke shots an Amaterasu arrow at this FRS, making it a huge Amaterasu flame he can immediately control with Enton.

Your Opinion =/= Canon

 

[End of Days]

@End of Days, lol, Sasuke shots an Amaterasu arrow at this FRS, making it a huge Amaterasu flame he can immediately control with Enton.

And i said that clones can cover for the one making frs, distraction/protection

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, unlike muu he isnt a sensor

 

[Bogard]

Current Sasuke = BSM Naruto. Why? Because Kishimoto did obviously portray that in the last chapter. They fight as equals now and even the likes of Tobirama are comparing both Naruto and Sasuke to Hashirama and Sasuke, saying that latter is on the way of surpassing Madara.

@End of Days, lol, Sasuke shots an Amaterasu arrow at this FRS, making it a huge Amaterasu flame he can immediately control with Enton.

You mean current Sasuke + Juugo = BSM Naruto since he can't use SM on his own, and eventhen it's clearly not the way i see it since the Naruto who is shown to fight has more fire power than Sasuke and most of the time Sasuke's arrows or blade are compared to Naruto's punches, who are far below TBB's levels

Tobirama was talking about potential, doesn't necessarly mean they are there yet(Naruto is for me, but not Sasuke)

 

[Misconception]

Growing Legs isn't evolving the Susano'O. Sasuke was just able to stabilize more chakra near the bottom of Susano'O.

Thats evolving in case you didn't know... Develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

 

[Strict]

@Midday, We will never get that explanation because Sasuke already gained Kyuubi's Chakra. The question is why should Hashirama's cells or Kyuubi's Chakra be the reason, the user can let his Susanoo grow legs, when it is simply Chakra that his shaped into a form? Kishimoto indicated that Madara could use that form of Susanoo at his prime, saying that everyone who sees it dies. Tsunade on the other hand asked herself whether her grandfather fought that Susanoo. When Madara's Susanoo armored Kyuubi, it also had legs present [

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The perfect Susanoo means Kantenzai Susanoo. That means, that Susanoo has a accomplished/complete body. When Madara activated his Susanoo, Mei said that this would appear to be the real Susanoo, whereupon Madara refuted and said that the Chakra first has to stabilize.

I also don't think that Kyuubi's Chakra has a significant influence on Sasuke now, as Kishimoto portrays them as equals. That would contradict the portrayal, because it would mean Sasuke can't achieve his ultimate form without the help of Naruto.

@Bogard, that's if they fight Obito, whose only weakness is Senjutsu. But I think they would be equal if they had to fight each other. A perfect Susanoo with Enton is quite a haxxed thing. We will see in the next chapter.

@End of days, Sasuke won't be distracted from a Bijuu sizes Rasenshuriken by little clones. No one would. The clones are wiped out with a single attack of Susanoo and Enton can be used in multiple directions.

 

[BlueMeteor]

I remember when everyone was like KM Naruto mid diff.Now its the time I've been foreseeing for many months, Sasuke takes this low diff.

This^^^^^^

 

[KidGamer65]

I'd just like it to be crystal clear before I say Sasuke can do all of this without assistance. Considering the fact that prior to Madara gaining senju DNA he was unable to use a legged Susanoo during his fight with Hashirama,

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. Now that he has more chakra he can do more with his susanoo such as forming the legs, which is what I think is the case with Sasuke right now, not to mention his susanoo is several times larger.

Where did you get that Madara wasn't able to use a legged Susanoo against Hashirama from? He called a half bodied Susanoo so its upper body would block the Bijuu Dama from hitting it and then he armored it onto Kurama to tank the explosion. Of course there aren't going to be legs on Susanoo once its on Kurama.

Madara already displayed the ability as an Edo to switch between legged Susanoo and half bodied Susanoo.

-One of the V3 Susanoo clones had no legs. [

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-Again, a V3 (Or V2, not sure) Susanoo with no legs.

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Madara not showing a legged Susanoo at the VoTe isn't proof that he couldn't use one while alive.

Sasuke is also not under the influence of Kurama's chakra anymore hence him not wearing the cloak at the end of 650, and he has begun to form Perfect Susanoo and armor it onto Naruto's Kurama avatar. Sasuke doesn't look like he

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of the Kurama avatar's head like you said, its more like

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Even if he was, it doesn't power up anyone who is inside of it, so its a moot point regardless. What Kakashi used to warp the Hachibi was the chakra Kurama handed to him back before the Juubi was revived. [

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I assure you that Perfect Susanoo and the legged Susanoo, size and all, are all Sasuke.

 

[Midday]

@Midday, We will never get that explanation because Sasuke already gained Kyuubi's Chakra. The question is why should Hashirama's cells or Kyuubi's Chakra be the reason, the user can let his Susanoo grow legs, when it is simply Chakra that his shaped into a form? Kishimoto indicated that Madara could use that form of Susanoo at his prime, saying that everyone who sees it dies. Tsunade on the other hand asked herself whether her grandfather fought that Susanoo. When Madara's Susanoo armored Kyuubi, it also had legs present [

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The perfect Susanoo means Kantenzai Susanoo. That means, that Susanoo has a accomplished/complete body. When Madara activated his Susanoo, Mei said that this would appear to be the real Susanoo, whereupon Madara refuted and said that the Chakra first has to stabilize.

I also don't think that Kyuubi's Chakra has a significant influence on Sasuke now, as Kishimoto portrays them as equals. That would contradict the portrayal, because it would mean Sasuke can't achieve his ultimate form without the help of Naruto.

@Bogard, that's if they fight Obito, whose only weakness is Senjutsu. But I think they would be equal if they had to fight each other. A perfect Susanoo with Enton is quite a haxxed thing.

Susanoo isn't just shaped chakra that's been freely manipulated, it's got a set design. They could require a certain amount of chakra before it starts to develop the legs. Which would work as an explanation as to why Madara did not use susanoo legs at VOTE before he got some senju DNA.

 

[Misconception]

FRS isn't doing nothing to a Susanoo... A Giant Rasengan didn't even put a scratch on a rib cage...

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Sasuke uses this...

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To cover the ground with Amaterasu then controls it using Enton... Making walking deadly for Naruto... FRS Is easily ignited with Amaterasu flames... Summoning can get 1shotted with Genjutsu or Amaterasu you choose...

His hand held tbb will never catch Sasuke he can take flight with this...

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EMS Sasuke is to much for Km Naruto...

 

[Strict]

Susanoo isn't just shaped chakra that's been freely manipulated, it's got a set design. They could require a certain amount of chakra before it starts to develop the legs. Which would work as an explanation as to why Madara did not use susanoo legs at VOTE before he got some senju DNA.

He fused his Susanoo with Kyuubi, making it more effective as a mere PS. When armoring Kyuubi, Susanoo also had the form with arms and legs. It was the same Susanoo as against the Gokage; the same armor, the same face, the same destructive force and also legs. The Susanoo against the Gokage has an other form because it wasn't conformed to Kyuubi's shape. Apart from the mere optic, there is no difference between the PS against the Gokage and Hashirama.

 

[Transcendence]

Why is this still being debated? PS or not, the legged Susano'o with various Enton techniqus end this. Too much mobility with in the Susano'o and KCM Naruto isn't breaking it. PS Sasuke w/ Enton coating (which we'll see next chapter) is roughly equal to Current BSM Naruto.

 

[Gakido]

FRS isn't doing nothing to a Susanoo... A Giant Rasengan didn't even put a scratch on a rib cage...

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That's Madara's Susano'O. Not Sasuke's. Sasuke's was broken by a simple punch that didn't even have momentum, his Armoured Susano'O was even ripped open by a weaker Fuuton than FRS.

Sasuke uses this...

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To cover the ground with Amaterasu then controls it using Enton... Making walking deadly for Naruto... FRS Is easily ignited with Amaterasu flames... Summoning can get 1shotted with Genjutsu or Amaterasu you choose...

Summoning are broken out of Genjutsu by other summons or Naruto. Sasuke will also be fighting 14+ targets, he can't keep up with them all. Especially when all of them can use FRS or Chou FRS.

His hand held tbb will never catch Sasuke he can take flight with this...

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Gamabunta smacks him down or Fukasaku & Shima paralyze them with frog call (not to be confused with Frog Song which is a genjutsu.)

Why is this still being debated? PS or not, the legged Susano'o with various Enton techniqus end this. Too much mobility with in the Susano'o and KCM Naruto isn't breaking it. PS Sasuke w/ Enton coating (which we'll see next chapter) is roughly equal to Current BSM Naruto.

Perfect Susano'O isn't enough to match BM alone, which has better tanking and destructive feats.

 

[Transcendence]

@Gakido Now add Enton, and the Enton techs being much larger than they were before because PS amplifies it... Bijuu sized Enton Arrows? Same size sword as Madara's but with Enton added to it? Enton coating around the Susano'o? Come on.. BM will push this Sasuke far, but Mid-High at most. BSM wins more often than not though.

 

[Strict]

That's Madara's Susano'O. Not Sasuke's. Sasuke's was broken by a simple punch that didn't even have momentum, his Armoured Susano'O was even ripped open by a weaker Fuuton than FRS.

All Susanoo are the same.. The power of Danzo's Fuuton was drastically increased by Baku's suction, and the FRS makes damage on a cellular level. The Sandaime Raikage tanked a FRS easily and I think it's clear that Susanoo's body is way more durable. A broke a few ribs of Susanoo with an attack which indeed had momentum and precision.

If that isn't momentum for you, what is? Probably A's Raiga Bomb which crushed the whole ground by smashing Sasuke into it?

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Yet, the ribcage of Sasuke's Susanoo absorbed the impact entirely [

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], leaving no damage to Sasuke. We could argue that this wa only MS Sasuke who just activated his Susanoo and here, the talk is about EMS Sasuke.

I don't see any difference between the ribcages..

 

[Gakido]

@Gakido Now add Enton, and the Enton techs being much larger than they were before because PS amplifies it... Bijuu sized Enton Arrows? Same size sword as Madara's but with Enton added to it? Enton coating around the Susano'o? Come on.. BM will push this Sasuke far, but Mid-High at most. BSM wins more often than not though.

And they get tanked by Naruto's BM Cloak. Same reason they weren't effective before.

 

[KidGamer65]

All Susanoo are the same.. The power of Danzo's Fuuton was drastically increased by Baku's suction, and the FRS makes damage on a cellular level. The Sandaime Raikage tanked a FRS easily and I think it's clear that Susanoo's body is way more durable. A broke a few ribs of Susanoo with an attack which indeed had momentum and precision.

If that isn't momentum for you, what is? Probably A's Raiaga Bomb which crushed the whole ground by smashing Sasuke into it?

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Yet, the ribcage of Sasuke's Susanoo absorbed the impact entirely [

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], leaving no damage to Sasuke. We could argue that this wa only MS Sasuke who just activated his Susanoo and here, the talk is about EMS Sasuke.

I don't see any difference between the ribcages..

Yeah, you have a point there, EMS Sasuke's Ribcage seems to have matured from MS stage. [

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[Strict]

Well, with MS, his legless Susanoo seems to have the same matureness, if we look at how he forms a half ribcage with a Susanoo arm that doesn't differs from an EMS stage [

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]. The user itself can determine the matureness of his ribcage. A mere ribcage of Susanoo doesn't differ from other, wether MS or EMS, seen by Madara [

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]. That's a ribcage MS Sasuke can also form if fully matured. When Madara slightly changes the stage of Susanoo to level 2, the ribcage becomes more solid and bigger [

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]. You now see how Susanoo's spine is growing while it's still the ribcage. The more it comes to another stage, the bigger and better it gets. Take a look at the ribcage of MS Sasuke's Susanoo at level 2: [

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]. a lot bigger and more matured.

I have one last scan showing that there is actually no difference between the Susanoo of a MS and an EMS user:

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The upgrade of the EMS is the perfect Susanoo/legged Susanoo.

 

[Misconception]

That's Madara's Susano'O. Not Sasuke's. Sasuke's was broken by a simple punch that didn't even have momentum, his Armoured Susano'O was even ripped open by a weaker Fuuton than FRS.



Summoning are broken out of Genjutsu by other summons or Naruto. Sasuke will also be fighting 14+ targets, he can't keep up with them all. Especially when all of them can use FRS or Chou FRS.



Gamabunta smacks him down or Fukasaku & Shima paralyze them with frog call (not to be confused with Frog Song which is a genjutsu.)



Perfect Susano'O isn't enough to match BM alone, which has better tanking and destructive feats.

Susanoo is Susanoo... They both currently have Ems i see no reason why Madara's would be stronger...

 

[Gakido]

Susanoo is Susanoo... They both currently have Ems i see no reason why Madara's would be stronger...

By your logic, the Nine Tails Bijudama should be a country buster since the Juubi's is.

Your really do live by your username.