current naruto vs hashi

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

Well the current naruto has proven to be quite powerful, now that he has km, sm and bm and of cos great healing speed thanks to the kurama and again incredible speed, as for hashi he has great healing ability, wonderful stamina, and high chakra level, though naruto has sm, km and bm bt i belive hashi would be able to stay alive until naruto runs out of any mode and then win the battle. anyway i,d like to here ur thought

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama low diff.

 

[OnPoint]

Hashirama certainly. Obviously not with ease, but he'd be the clear winner in my opinion, since Naruto's very being (him giving off the Yang chakra) will actually power up Mokuton, as we saw with the effect KM Naruto had on Yamato's wood. When factoring in Mokuton's suppressive powers, the fact that Naruto may only have access to 50% of Kurama's overall power (which Shodai has experience fighting), Naruto's lack of ocular powers (and therefore the inability to distinguish between Mokuton Kage Bunshins and the real Hashirama) and the near insta-spawning of Shodai's Wood Style variations, the 1st Hokage comes out ontop in my eyes. This is, however, merely an estimation considering we are yet to see Hashirama actually fight.

 

[TobisPawn]

Hashirama mid-high diff, probably. Leaning towards high.

hashirama low diff.

Low diff? How so?

 

[TheSages456]

Hashirama mid-high diff, probably. Leaning towards high.



Low diff? How so?

common sense powerscaling. madara is taking on both BM naruto and bee at the same time which heavily implies that naruto stands no chance alone. madara preached about how only hashirama could ever stop him while he was at the peak of his power. you also have to take into account that hashiramas full power surpasses that of even madaras(perfect susano). he beat madara+kyuubi(full power) which naruto embodies. you can accuse me of using abc logic but hashirama and naruto are in completely different tiers. hashiramas in an S tier and narutos in A. nobody is beating someone thats a tier above them regardless of the stipulations. so as you see, im not just gonna mindlessly blurt out that hashirama beats someone without having reasons for thinking so.

 

[TobisPawn]

common sense powerscaling. madara is taking on both BM naruto and bee at the same time which heavily implies that naruto stands no chance alone. madara preached about how only hashirama could ever stop him while he was at the peak of his power. you also have to take into account that hashiramas full power surpasses that of even madaras(perfect susano). he beat madara+kyuubi(full power) which naruto embodies. you can accuse me of using abc logic but hashirama and naruto are in completely different tiers. hashiramas in an S tier and narutos in A. nobody is beating someone thats a tier above them regardless of the stipulations. so as you see, im not just gonna mindlessly blurt out that hashirama beats someone without having reasons for thinking so.

I see what you're saying, but why low diff? BM Naruto should be at least comparable to, if not overall better (which is what I think), than 100% Kyuubi that Madara used, seeing that it was stated that Jinchuuriki's bring out the Bijuus power, the cloak can't feel pain, Naruto + Kurama actually have brains, and because BM Naruto in "base" still seems to have some sort of a speed boost. On top of that, his overall DC is about even with Perfect Susanoo's, but Naruto's also more versatile. He can bring out tails to block, roar to send shit flying, and fire off those insta-TBB's that can vaporize mountain ranges (exaggerating a little here). And it's possible that Mokuton suppression wont work as well on a meld of Naruto and Kurama's chakra, along with the fact that Naruto can always reform the cloak.

So yeah, I don't see why it'd still be a low diff, especially this far into Naruto's development (as he's stated that he wants/has to surpass all previous Hokage first). I'd say mid diff at least, seeing that Naruto has a perfect bond with the strongest Bijuu, but we'll have to see how Naruto vs Madara plays out first.

EDIT: Oh, and BM Naruto's durability also seems better than "100% Kurama's" as Kurama got knocked down and had it's fur ruffled by Rasengan variants, whereas Naruto's tails casually tanked Obito's ground-ripping vortex-Katon that Kakashi and Guy were portrayed to be helpless in front of. And nah, I say a person a tier below still has a shot at beating someone higher up. Such as, using your tiers, if Obito has full intel on Hashirama, already has Izanagi active, and is hiding somewhere to ambush Hashirama as Hashirama gets confronted by a Zetsu clone of Obito, he'd certainly capture Hashi. Or if you pit a bloodlusted BM Naruto against a cocky IC EMS Madara, only for Madara to end up getting TBB'd.

 

[Microsword57]

Hashirama...

 

[TheSages456]

I see what you're saying, but why low diff? BM Naruto should be at least comparable to, if not overall better (which is what I think), than 100% Kyuubi that Madara used, seeing that it was stated that Jinchuuriki's bring out the Bijuus power, the cloak can't feel pain, Naruto + Kurama actually have brains, and because BM Naruto in "base" still seems to have some sort of a speed boost. On top of that, his overall DC is about even with Perfect Susanoo's, but Naruto's also more versatile. He can bring out tails to block, roar to send shit flying, and fire off those insta-TBB's that can vaporize mountain ranges (exaggerating a little here). And it's possible that Mokuton suppression wont work as well on a meld of Naruto and Kurama's chakra, along with the fact that Naruto can always reform the cloak.

So yeah, I don't see why it'd still be a low diff, especially this far into Naruto's development (as he's stated that he wants/has to surpass all previous Hokage first). I'd say mid diff at least, seeing that Naruto has a perfect bond with the strongest Bijuu, but we'll have to see how Naruto vs Madara plays out first.

EDIT: Oh, and BM Naruto's durability also seems better than "100% Kurama's" as Kurama got knocked down and had it's fur ruffled by Rasengan variants, whereas Naruto's tails casually tanked Obito's ground-ripping vortex-Katon that Kakashi and Guy were portrayed to be helpless in front of. And nah, I say a person a tier below still has a shot at beating someone higher up. Such as, using your tiers, if Obito has full intel on Hashirama, already has Izanagi active, and is hiding somewhere to ambush Hashirama as Hashirama gets confronted by a Zetsu clone of Obito, he'd certainly capture Hashi. Or if you pit a bloodlusted BM Naruto against a cocky IC EMS Madara, only for Madara to end up getting TBB'd.

well dont you think that controlling the beast is an advantage? the kyuubi wasnt really hurt after narutos rasengan barrage, it just had ruffled fur. the kyuubis no slouch in the resilience and durability department. sharingan control may be somewhat like a perfect jinchuriki. a bijuus power with a person pulling the strings. madaras intelligent(intelligence is a requirement to use genjutsu) plus he could use kuramas power to its full extent fighting alongside it. the cloak cant feel pain. thats an advantage. i just dont see tailed beast power working against people like hashirama and madara. perfect susano has power on the level of a tailed beast but the time it takes to swing a sword is much faster than the time it takes to charge a tbb. madara even said himself that his susano was destruction incarnate:

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yes naruto stated that he wants to surpass all the hokages but he has to defeat madara by himself if he wants to hope of surpassing hashirama. naruto probably knows next to nothing about shodai except that he can use mokuton. madara may preach some more about hashirama in the upcoming chapters and tell naruto about him.

you are talking about 50% kurama. 100% kurama is twice as big. sm narutos big rasengan barrage wouldve only reached kuramas stomach at best if it was at full power. well naruto and kurama are above kakashi and guy. i mean under regular battle stipulations not stipulations like, hashirama just finished facing madara and he is exhausted and as he falls to the ground to rest, obito comes out of nowhere and warp GG. im talking about stipulations like location, knowledge, character state of mind(not something ridiculous like character A decides to stand still and tank character B's attacks head on. only mindsets that they have shown in battles).

 

[LordRevan]

mid-high difficult.. Experience plays a big role. ^_^

 

[TobisPawn]

well dont you think that controlling the beast is an advantage? the kyuubi wasnt really hurt after narutos rasengan barrage, it just had ruffled fur. the kyuubis no slouch in the resilience and durability department. sharingan control may be somewhat like a perfect jinchuriki. a bijuus power with a person pulling the strings. madaras intelligent(intelligence is a requirement to use genjutsu) plus he could use kuramas power to its full extent fighting alongside it. the cloak cant feel pain. thats an advantage. i just dont see tailed beast power working against people like hashirama and madara.

Hmmm, I'm thinking more along the lines of what we saw Obito do. He put Kurama under his control, and if anything, it/he seemed to get dumber. Anyways, though, I don't think Sharingan control will be able to make a Bijuu go all out. Such as, Naruto works in perfect harmony in Kurama, and they can control every movement, whereas Madara/Obito puts Kurama under his control, and it/he just rampages around, but it's specific movements can't really be controlled. Eh, who knows. And yeah, we'll have to see how Naruto fairs against Madara, and how PS and BM stack up against each other.

perfect susano has power on the level of a tailed beast but the time it takes to swing a sword is much faster than the time it takes to charge a tbb. madara even said himself that his susano was destruction incarnate:

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That's true, but I'm just pointing out that Naruto's power level is definitely up there with the big boys (Madara, Hashirama, Obito) as of now. He can overall cause similar damage to Hashirama as Madara did due to his chakra roars, clones, FRS, immense stamina to last long, and his TBB's (which seem to charge quicker than Kurama w/o a Jinchuuriki).

yes naruto stated that he wants to surpass all the hokages but he has to defeat madara by himself if he wants to hope of surpassing hashirama. naruto probably knows next to nothing about shodai except that he can use mokuton. madara may preach some more about hashirama in the upcoming chapters and tell naruto about him.

Yeah, we'll have to see how Naruto surpasses him. We'll be able to make a better judgement when we see Naruto's fight with Madara.

you are talking about 50% kurama. 100% kurama is twice as big. sm narutos big rasengan barrage wouldve only reached kuramas stomach at best if it was at full power. well naruto and kurama are above kakashi and guy. i mean under regular battle stipulations not stipulations like, hashirama just finished facing madara and he is exhausted and as he falls to the ground to rest, obito comes out of nowhere and warp GG. im talking about stipulations like location, knowledge, character state of mind(not something ridiculous like character A decides to stand still and tank character B's attacks head on. only mindsets that they have shown in battles).

True, 100% Kurama's got the size and more raw power, but Naruto's got the advantage of not feeling pain, more mobile/quick, and the ability to just work in harmony with Kurama much better than Madara did. And he's always got KM and SM to fall back on as a last resort or to distract Hashirama, or something. And hmm, well, again using your tiers, if Obito is bloodlusted (meaning Izanagi, Kamui, TBBs right away) with manga knowledge while Hashirama is IC and with no intel on Obito's Kamui or Izanagi (which is really bad to be up against), I'm certain that Obito would win almost every time. But we'll have to see Madara vs Naruto to get a general feel of how Hashirama would stack up to some current top tiers like Sauce and Obito.

 

[TheSages456]

Hmmm, I'm thinking more along the lines of what we saw Obito do. He put Kurama under his control, and if anything, it/he seemed to get dumber. Anyways, though, I don't think Sharingan control will be able to make a Bijuu go all out. Such as, Naruto works in perfect harmony in Kurama, and they can control every movement, whereas Madara/Obito puts Kurama under his control, and it/he just rampages around, but it's specific movements can't really be controlled. Eh, who knows. And yeah, we'll have to see how Naruto fairs against Madara, and how PS and BM stack up against each other.


That's true, but I'm just pointing out that Naruto's power level is definitely up there with the big boys (Madara, Hashirama, Obito) as of now. He can overall cause similar damage to Hashirama as Madara did due to his chakra roars, clones, FRS, immense stamina to last long, and his TBB's (which seem to charge quicker than Kurama w/o a Jinchuuriki).



Yeah, we'll have to see how Naruto surpasses him. We'll be able to make a better judgement when we see Naruto's fight with Madara.



True, 100% Kurama's got the size and more raw power, but Naruto's got the advantage of not feeling pain, more mobile/quick, and the ability to just work in harmony with Kurama much better than Madara did. And he's always got KM and SM to fall back on as a last resort or to distract Hashirama, or something. And hmm, well, again using your tiers, if Obito is bloodlusted (meaning Izanagi, Kamui, TBBs right away) with manga knowledge while Hashirama is IC and with no intel on Obito's Kamui or Izanagi (which is really bad to be up against), I'm certain that Obito would win almost every time. But we'll have to see Madara vs Naruto to get a general feel of how Hashirama would stack up to some current top tiers like Sauce and Obito.

yeah. i will leave this alone until we get more hashirama feats and we see more of naruto+bee vs madara. by hype hashirama would do better than madara at beating naruto+bee though. yeah naruto can change the landscape but only through tbb. hashirama and madara casually spam their map altering moves which is why they made a valley but i guess i will wait for obitos flashback to end to see madaras fight.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

naruto forms a clone army, then has them make sage art oodama rasenrengan, followed up by 2 bm powered rasenshurikens. boom.

Hashirama certainly. Obviously not with ease, but he'd be the clear winner in my opinion, since Naruto's very being (him giving off the Yang chakra) will actually power up Mokuton,

naruto wins. he just stays in base for most of the match spamming clones and rasengan barrages before using human form bm FRS barrage. he cant power up mokuton if he just kills hashirama quickly via speedblitz

Naruto's lack of ocular powers (and therefore the inability to distinguish between Mokuton Kage Bunshins and the real Hashirama) and the near insta-spawning of Shodai's Wood Style variations

hashiramas never shown any bunshins in battle, and no one knwos if is "near insta" as he hasnt been seen fighting

you also have to take into account that hashiramas full power surpasses that of even madaras(perfect susano). he beat madara+kyuubi(full power)

we dont know what happened. hashirama hasnt done anything. and nothing hes actually shown even approaches madara's. obviously there was another factor, and it was probably mito

 

[Turson]

yeah naruto can change the landscape but only through tbb. hashirama and madara casually spam their map altering moves which is why they made a valley but i guess i will wait for obitos flashback to end to see madaras fight.

Actually, tailed bests can change landscape just by swinging their tails.

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-> Thats Hachibis power.

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-> Compare the size of CT to the size of mountains.

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-> Naruto in KM8 state breaking through CT like it was nothing.

 

[Monster nagato]

naruto high diff