Hilarious, so we should say that statements by kakashi like "naruto is stronger than me probably stronger" are invalid, yet accept statements like "if itachi wanted to kill you(sasuke), he would have"
Im not doubting that naruto is stronger than kakashi.
You are doubting if BASE naruto is stronger than kakashi 200 chapters ago, which is stated BY KAKASHI HIMSELF
So you are saying Kakashi and Gai have such a massive speed advantage on naruto, that they beat him before he can even weave a handseal? Way to stoop.
Please, naruto is the fastest character alive. Gai needs time to go from base into the higher gates, and even then he isn't as fast as the third raikage or A.
I said i wasnt doubting if naruto was stronger than kakashi. Re read my previous post. Also there is a difference between speed and handseal speed. Naruto might be the fastest alive, but his handseal speed is poor and going up against 2 fairly fast combat type ninja's he has to weave those seals pretty quick.
Shadow clone jutsu is a SINGLE SEAL, you make a cross with your fingers and its done. No one has ever prevented naruto from forming the one handseal it takes to perform kage-bunshin. Dude you are being ridiculous.
OMG that is hilarious especially since a 30% kisame clone keeps up just fine with base gai, and that 7th gated gai has NEVER shown any feats that even put him at V1 level.
How would Gai do that to even one KM clone, a clone who is faster, stronger, has way more chakra, can kick gai's a** in taijutsu with chakra arms. How does gai avoid naruto's guided rasenshuriken if not even the third could avoid it? There is no way in heck gai is defeating clones that can have kage + level stats in seconds.
8th gate? You don't even know how powerful 8th gate is.
The reason nobody has stopped him from creating clones is because thats his fighting style, he has plot help. Infact in all his fights, he has had a break in order to use the clone technique or he has used it before the fight. As i said if he is fighting 2 capable shinobi's he cannot imo.
OMG. Its a one-sign jutsu, naruto is faster than kakashi and gai, and naruto can make clones while running. This means naruto runs away from kakashi and gai while making clones. Nothing kakashi/gai can do. And this is not even counting naruto using his chakra arms to block and attack.
This can be said about any jutsu that requires handseals in a fight. There are only two instances where a shinobi was interrupted while making seals, one was sasuke vs itachi while itachi was standing there while trying to make the many seals required for a fire jutsu, and mifune blocking hanzou and that was because mifune was known for his seal-blocking attack.
That doesn't say anything about kisame's or gai's speed.
Please show me the scan where 7-gated gai is noted to be extremely fast, or that anyone made any comments on his speed.
Tsunade has never fought any kage in a 1 vs 1 situation.
Ive noticed that arguing with you specifically about naruto is pointless because you never give up even when the odds are against you. Lets just agree to disagree.
The thing is the odds are not against me. Whenever we get into this same argument you never can counter my posts when I give solid feats that a single clone has done. You argue that the clone had help when fighting a kage, and I give you examples of kage's and kage-level nins who've never fought a kage one-vs-one. Just admit it, you have no answer for this. KM Naruto's clone has many solid, undisputed, cannon manga feats that make them just as strong as I am proposing they be, but you can't accept it because that would make naruto way to OP'd in your view.
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Ive countered your arguments about naruto km clones. It might work in a 1 vs 1 against the random fodder ninja's he got. But this didnt happen against any of the kages. He does have feats because naruto's chakra is split between them and him evenly. Therefore they are powerful, although this is one of the fastest way to lose chakra
And that right there is your way of countering. "He didn't fight the kage's 1 vs 1 therefore he isn't beating them" That is it. Tell me how the KM naruto's feats are not above the regular kage?
That's what you call a feat? splitting a chakra that we haven't even seen the limits of? Please. Feats are:
He does have feats, but he doesnt have any battle feats in a 1 vs 1 high level ninja with his using a clone. All thoe feats you have mentioned would be useless if he can defuse with a konoha round house kick by gai
first u say sasori can beat ems sasuke an itachi an now this i guess u dont even watch naruto.
And neither do tsunade, mei, kakashi, A, oonoki, yet you consider them Kage level because of their feats right?
I reference you to KM naruto clone's speed feats, battle sensing feats, chakra arm-blocking feats. Then I would also reference you to his sword tanking, and tree-destroying durability feats. No, a konoha round-house kick will not land, and second will hardly do anything to KM clone naruto considering his defenses and durability feats.