Current Naruto vs Current Obito

[KCMNaruto]

Hi,

I would like to discuss about Naruto vs Obito , in my opinion Current Naruto is stronger than Current Obito.

intel: Current intel for both Naruto and Obito
mindset: to kill
restrictions: none
distance: 50 m

CIS and PIS OFF


Current Naruto

Facts:

Spoiler

- The fastest shinobi
- Great amount of chakra
- Excellent skills with Kage Bunshin
- Naruto cooperation with Kurama
- Naruto and Kurama chakra perfectly mixed
- Naruto has great strength
- Naruto has great taijutsu
- Naruto has mastered Sage mode
- wind nature with the most powerfull wind jutsu fuuton rasen shuriken
- mastered Rasengan
- Great reflex and reactions

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Current Obito

Spoiler

Facts:

- kamui
- Great reflex and reactions
- fire nature with very powerfull fire jutsu
- Mokuton
- Regeneration
- Sharingan
- Outer path of Rinnengan
- Fire sealing barrier
- izanagi

Assumptions:

- All rinnengan paths
- Rikudou jutsu
- ying yang release
- Mastered Mokuton

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Scenario 1: Current full restored KM Naruto vs Current full restored Obito

Scenario description:

Spoiler

Naruto charges at Obito with sunshin at maximum speed, Obito watches Naruto incomming with his sharingan as he judges distance beetween them so he can become intangible with kamui in right time. However Naruto shot off chakra arm at Obito while using sunshin in mere mili seconds piercing Obito before he is able to become intangible. If Obito with some luck managed to active Kamui in right time, Naruto pass thorugh him as he is still being in while sunshin but passed behind Obito he again shot off chakra arm from his back at Obito back. Obito shouldn't be able to survive that , as he probably become tangible just when Naruto passed though him so he can't react, Obito could be dead or Naruto could use chakra arm from beneath Obito and attack him as suprise.

Another Scenario description:

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Obito charges at Naruto first at his great speed, Naruto shot off his chakra arm at Obito to force him to go intangible, while he could shot off more chakra arm with Rasengan or Futton Rasen shuriken or mini bijuu dama and surround Obito, so when become tangible he is dead. If Obito use Mokuton , he could probably restrain Naruto chakra arms, but then Naruto could simply dash back as he can extend his chakra arm at any distance.
Obito can use fire jutsu but I believe it wouldn't work on Naruto, because he surivives Lava cloak of Roshi. Outer Path of Rinnengan could be problem and this could lead to Obito win.

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or Naruto simply use clones with good tactic, some diversion he could get Obito.

Summary: Naruto many chakra arms with proper tactic could get Obito even with Kamui, or Naruto clones could get Obito. Obito obviously could always use Izanagi but he could loose his Kamui, but if he strike Naruto using suprise he could win, but if he fail then Naruto could kil Obito without Kamui easier.

Scenario 2: Current fully restored Naruto KM v2 vs Current fully restored Obito with edo Jinchurki.

Condition: when Jinchurki become destroyed, Seal squad is there to seal them.

Scenario description:

Spoiler

Naruto charges at edo Jinchurkis with flash speed, defeating them fast, while Obito try to sneak behind Naruto back to attack him. If Obito make Jinchurki transform to version two, Naruto still defeat them fast. If Obito make them transform in full bijuu from, then it could be problem for Naruto. Naruto coudl transform in full bijuu mode as well, as Naruto could defeat them but then Obito could be problem as Naruto would be forced to use roar each time Obito would be close to him. If Obito get to Naruto without noticing by Naruto, Obito win, if Naruto can deal with edo Jinchurki in time while keeping Obito at distance, then Naruto vs Obito is simmiliar to KM Naruto vs Obito but with second version of KM Naruto is stronger and faster. Naruto kill Obito with flash speed or chakra arm.

Summary: Naruto in bijuu mode has to deal fast with edo Jinchurki while keeping Obito at distance, then he can deal fast with Obito.


Condition: It is Only Obito with MS(kamui) and Mokuton, excluding Rinnengan besides outer path of Rinnengan.

Do you agree or disagree ?, please explain. You can write your scenario of battle if you want

Sorry for any grammar, typing mistakes ;(, my english is not my first language, so not good.

I hope you will understand what I tried to wrote

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Obito wins in both scenarios.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto can't touch Obito with his Shunshin or with clones, manga made this very clear when Raikage tried to blitz Obito but slipped right through him, especially since if Obito is on the defense then no one can touch him and when 4 people tried to hit Obito they failed.

If you can't get him with an attack that does not travel while he is attacking then you can't get him at all.

Obito wins.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Obito wins in both scenarios.

Please explain How Obito could win ?

What we saw in manga Obito is really stronger than Naruto, but please consider Obito was fresh from begining while Naruto fought Zetsu, used Kage bunshin(divided his chakra) and even then he face not only Obito but Edo Jinchurki as well.

Kishi nerfed and restricted using Naruto full abilities against Obito on purpose.

with CIS, PIS off. Naruto could use many chakra arms and surround Obito from all sides , so he would force obito to use intangibility for 5 mins, so Obito would be forced to become tangible as Naruto could attack him with chakra arms, injuring him badly or even killing him.


About Bijuu mode, Naruto could blitz edo jinchurki, dealing with them fast as he would face Obito again but with only more power, speed and strength.

In my opinion, Obito could only win against Bijuu mode Naruto if he could use Rinnengan as well. Nevertheles Obito is really formidable enemy.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Naruto can't touch Obito with his Shunshin or with clones, manga made this very clear when Raikage tried to blitz Obito but slipped right through him, especially since if Obito is on the defense then no one can touch him and when 4 people tried to hit Obito they failed.

Obito wins.

If you can't get him with an attack that does not travel while he is attacking then you can't get him at all.

#1. Naruto didn't use sunshin against Obito, reason: who could defeat him so Kishi was forced to restrain Naruto.

Explanation: Naruto used too much chakra in war, fighting Zetsu and Edo Tensei Ninja.

#2. Naruto in KM is faster than Raikage, besides Raikage was in v1 raiton cloak when he attacked Tobi

#3 I agree with your statment that if Obito is on the defense then no one can touch him. It is indeed true, but Obito can't be forever on defence, he has 5 minut limit intangibility so he could run out of time then Naruto could attack him in mere second with his sunshin or prepere trap for him.

#4 when 4 people tried to hit Obito they failed, I disagree it was three people against him, with Kakashi being stationary, Naruto being restricted from using full speed as well from using many chakra arms and Gai restricted from using inner gates.

With PIS, CIS off Obito is toast

Anyway without intel I could say , noone could defeat Obito besides:

1. Juubi(Origin of sharingan power) - God
2. Sage of six paths(created Ninjutsu), he knew Space Time Ninjutsu for sure - God
3. Sage of six paths son's, they could be immune to Kamui - demi gods

but with intel:

1. Juubi(Origin of sharingan power) - God
2. Sage of six paths(created Ninjutsu), he knew Space Time Ninjutsu for sure - God
3. Sage of six paths son's, they could be immune to Kamui - demi gods
4. Edo Madara(Mouton clones, maybe he has ST as MS powers, or with EMS you can posses all MS jutsu: Kamui, Amaterasu, Tsyukomii, Kotokatsukomii(spelling))
5. Hashirama(only based on hype)
6. Bijuu Mode Naruto (speed blitz, bijuudama, roar, clones)
7. DSM Kabuto(maybe ?)
8. EMS Sasuke(maybe ?)
9. Minato(maybe ?)
10. Tobirama(maybe ?)

Anyway Current Obito is very powerfull, I don't understimate him

 

[TobisPawn]

Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and Bee together canonically can't beat Obito. How the hell will Naruto beat him in 8 minutes, alone?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Naruto was exhausted from having made 21 KM clones that swept the battlefield, fought Nagato and Itachi and a couple hundred zetsus?

Obito has no way of fighting 21 KCM clones.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto was exhausted from having made 21 KM clones that swept the battlefield, fought Nagato and Itachi and a couple hundred zetsus?

Obito has no way of fighting 21 KCM clones.

KM Clones? Really? Gedo Mazo or the Bijuu easily smash these KM Clones to bits, any Rasengan is tanked by the Mazo or reflected by the Gunbai.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and Bee together canonically can't beat Obito. How the hell will Naruto beat him in 8 minutes, alone?

Hi, I explained it in spoilers tags in my first post on this thread , please read

 

[KCMNaruto]

Naruto was exhausted from having made 21 KM clones that swept the battlefield, fought Nagato and Itachi and a couple hundred zetsus?

Obito has no way of fighting 21 KCM clones.

I agree , not only this Naruto was restricted and nerfed from using his sunshin, or even using many chakra arms at aim it at Obito from all directions.

Besides Obito still has Edo Jinchurki at his disposal, but when Naruto just enter KM v2, he was again restrained by plot and Kishi to not kill Obito.

That it.

 

[TheSages456]

naruto already canonically lost. there is no debate here.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

KM Clones? Really? Gedo Mazo or the Bijuu easily smash these KM Clones to bits, any Rasengan is tanked by the Mazo or reflected by the Gunbai.

He either has the jinchuuriki or the gedo mazo.

Not both.

 

[KidGamer65]

He either has the jinchuuriki or the gedo mazo.

Not both.

Hence me putting the word OR in my post, not and.

 

[Naruto9001]

naruto already canonically lost. there is no debate here.

When did Naruto lose to Obito? Last time I checked Naruto fodderized his bijuu paths and he had to be a bitch using his kamui to make him intagible because to much of a punk to fight my boy Naruto face to face than when they found out his secret Naruto raped him breaking his mask making him cough up blood and had to be saved by Madara what a loser. Naruto wins if you dont count the Ten Tails since Obito cant warp anyone with higher reflexies than him which Naruto has.

 

[TheSages456]

When did Naruto lose to Obito? Last time I checked Naruto fodderized his bijuu paths and he had to be a bitch using his kamui to make him intagible because to much of a punk to fight my boy Naruto face to face than when they found out his secret Naruto raped him breaking his mask making him cough up blood and had to be saved by Madara what a loser. Naruto wins if you dont count the Ten Tails since Obito cant warp anyone with higher reflexies than him which Naruto has.

@bold-im not getting drawn into a debate with someone that twists manga canon to that extent.

 

[KidGamer65]

When did Naruto lose to Obito? Last time I checked Naruto fodderized his bijuu paths and he had to be a bitch using his kamui to make him intagible because to much of a punk to fight my boy Naruto face to face than when they found out his secret Naruto raped him breaking his mask making him cough up blood and had to be saved by Madara what a loser. Naruto wins if you dont count the Ten Tails since Obito cant warp anyone with higher reflexies than him which Naruto has.

Only possible because of Kakashi, who isn't here to help Naruto this time.

Naruto can't touch Obito so he can't beat him.

 

[Naruto9001]

Only possible because of Kakashi, who isn't here to help Naruto this time.

Naruto can't touch Obito so he can't beat him.

Neither can Obito his too slow so it would result in a stalemate.

 

[KidGamer65]

Neither can Obito his too slow so it would result in a stalemate.

Not really, Obito too slow? Lol.

Naruto's speed is only tremendous when he uses Shunshin Obito can easily keep up with his foot speed, and if you think that Naruto is going to be constantly using Shunshin the whole fight then you have another thing coming.

Besides, by your logic Naruto's BM would run out and Obito would still win.

 

[Don Quixote]

Obito

 

[Naruto9001]

Not really, Obito too slow? Lol.

Naruto's speed is only tremendous when he uses Shunshin Obito can easily keep up with his foot speed, and if you think that Naruto is going to be constantly using Shunshin the whole fight then you have another thing coming.

Besides, by your logic Naruto's BM would run out and Obito would still win.

How do you know that was shushin? It's only a D rank tech so even if they use it cant increase there speed by that much. On the wiki it says only A, Shisui and 3rd Raikage know shushin and dont bash me on using wiki because it never tells us in the manga when someone is using shushin so that's the only source I can find.