[VS] Current Naruto vs Current Kakashi

[Haizaki]

They don't have any speed feats to lead me to believe they are fast enough to hit this Naruto, who is much faster than BSM Naruto. Not to mention he can intercept them with FRS.

Eh from the way people talk about the speed of the chakra arms, I thought was pretty fast coming on the shurikens.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Naruto low-mid diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Eh from the way people talk about the speed of the chakra arms, I thought was pretty fast coming on the shurikens.

The chakra arms were stationary when the Shuriken hit.

 

[lanakui8]

The only way Kakashi wins is if current Naruto drops a tier due to either using up all the bijuu's chakra inside of him or using up the yang seal.

Nvm you're right actually. Seeing he can use clones, even if Kakashi goes intangible that won't save him for long since Kamui raikiri won't hit all instantly. Though Kamui shuriken though? I doubt all the clones would evade it without the cloak and SM.

using kamui shurikens on shadow clones is possibly one of the dumbest things kakashi could do in this fight.

 

[wael reda]

Base Rikudo Naruto is already enough to stomp.​

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No,base naruto can't beat kakashi
Base naruto can't fly ,has no gudomas and hasn't enough speed to evade doubled speed kamui snipe fused with rikudu's chakra
Base naruto 's only hope is making clones to avoid being sniped by long range kamui and throwing rasen shurukins on kakashi who will be in his flying PS
Base naruto can't reach kakashi by himself ,he can only reach him with his rasen shrukins which kakashi can warp with long range kamui or kamui shurukins ,then get out of on naruto and his clones gg
I really don't see how can base naruto win?
Please be logical ,even chakra mode naruto can't stomp

 

[wael reda]

Chakra mode naruto with no Intel about kamui loses ,but with Intel naruto most likely wins

With no Intel naruto won't know about kamui snipe so he won't make clones at the bigining of the fight so he will be threatened to be sniped in any second
Naruto hasn't enough speed to evade doubled speed kamui snipe fused with rikudu chakra
Naruto didn't move 1 cm till kakashi had warped kaguya's portal and bone ,naruto looked like a freezened object when kakashi warped the portal and the bone
Kakashi could speed blitz powered up kaguya who evaded both naruto and sasuke's s/t at the same time ,so kamui raiki most likely can speed blitz naruto
With no Intel naruto won't know about kakashi's intangibility and he will just try to attack kakashi by his different rasen shurukins which kakashi can warp with long range kamui or kamui shurukins ,then get it out on naruto
With no Intel naruto won't know about intangibility's five minutes weakness and won't know that kakashi be solid when he attacks ,naruto will need to find all that by himself(though I think naruto isn't smart enough to figure out kamui abilities) and he will be defeated before that
My point is that naruto can't counter kamui's abilities ,if he has no Intel about it ,while kakashi can counter naruto's abilities even if he has no Intel about it
So I think with no Intel naruto loses but with intel naruto most likely wins only because his clones

 

[wael reda]

Unless Kakashi has the reactions to predict when Naruto is going to blitz I'd give it to him. If he doesn't then it's clear who wins this.

Yes I think that he has the reactions to use intangibility ,if naruto tried to speed blitzing him
Kakashi reacted to powered up kaguya and speed blitzed her though this kaguya evaded both naruto and sasuke's s/t at the same time quite easily

 

[wael reda]

Naruto wrecks him

--He and his RSM clones have more thann enough speed to evade all the attempts of kamui, as naruto can then fire off multiple BDRS, and BIjuu RS to destroy kakashis PS with ease,

--With naruto having more than enough speed to evade the warps of kamui, he can use his impressive speed to wreck kakashi just how chopped kaguyas arm, the only difference is that kakashi is sufferring a much worse fate

--Naruto can also then use his several clones (which are all faster than kakashi), and can use them to completely disrupt kaakshis kamui based moveset and use them to attack him the moment he solidifies to attack

--With Naruto being faster than Kamui, as well as his reflexes being faster than kakashi and him having the diversions to attack kakashi with, means that kakashi doesnt stand a chance

Naruto's clones isn't faster than kakashi or his kamui
Pre powered up kaguya was speed blitzing naruto clones by ease while kakashi nearly speed blitzed powered up kaguya who is much faster and stronger than pre powered kaguya

Naruto cant evade kamui ,naruto didn't move 1 cm until kakashi had warped kaguya's bone and portal ,I think that mean double speed kamui snipe fused with rikudu's chakra is faster than even naruto

 

[Raykyryn]

Yes I think that he has the reactions to use intangibility ,if naruto tried to speed blitzing him
Kakashi reacted to powered up kaguya and nearly speed blitzed her though this kaguya evaded naruto

He doesn't even need to react. His intangibility is passive.

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto's clones isn't faster than kakashi or his kamui
Pre powered up kaguya was speed blitzing naruto clones by ease while kakashi nearly speed blitzed powered up kaguya who is much faster and stronger than pre powered kaguya

@Bold - Lol,

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, not to mention that it was from

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Narutos clones can evade any of the kamui warps with utmost, ease,
Kaguya managed to

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which is faster than Kamui, yet she clearly struggled against narutos top speed,
kakashi blitzing kaguya is also wrong since

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therefore ur statement is wrong here

and Lol at kakashis kamui being faster than Naruto, Naruto can sense the chakra built up for the long range kamui warps and through his top speed, he can evade it rather easily,
hell he could even blitz kakashi, seeing how his reflexes and reaction feats are no where near kaguyas,

and, please, stop, naruto chopped full powered kaguyas arm off, enough with the ''pre-powered'' BS
whereas kakashi landed the kamui raikiri on a weakened kaguya as stated by BZ

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therefore even this is debunked for you

Naruto cant evade kamui ,naruto didn't move 1 cm until kakashi had warped kaguya's bone and portal ,I think that mean double speed kamui snipe fused with rikudu's chakra is faster than even naruto

Naruto evades kamui rather easily, as his flash shunshin alongside his sensing skills allow him to do so just fine,
as he and his several RSM clones gang bang kakashi the moment he solidifies to attack,
his PS is not even withstanding a single bijuu RS, as a couple BDRS is all he needs which isnt really a big deal for him,

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his PS is utmost fodder to BDRS

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@Bold - I have given you more than enough scans, read my points as well as the manga properly, because kakashi simply gets wrecked here,

 

[Blunt]

He doesn't even need to react. His intangibility is passive.

What are you basing this statement on?

 

[wael reda]

@Bold - Lol,

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Narutos clones can evade any of the kamui warps with utmost, ease,
Kaguya managed to

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which is faster than Kamui, yet she clearly struggled against narutos top speed,
kakashi blitzing kaguya is also wrong since

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therefore ur statement is wrong here

and Lol at kakashis kamui being faster than Naruto, Naruto can sense the chakra built up for the long range kamui warps and through his top speed, he can evade it rather easily,
hell he could even blitz kakashi, seeing how his reflexes and reaction feats are no where near kaguyas,

and, please, stop, naruto chopped full powered kaguyas arm off, enough with the ''pre-powered'' BS
whereas kakashi landed the kamui raikiri on a weakened kaguya as stated by BZ

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and then the

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therefore even this is debunked for you


Naruto evades kamui rather easily, as his flash shunshin alongside his sensing skills allow him to do so just fine,
as he and his several RSM clones gang bang kakashi the moment he solidifies to attack,
his PS is not even withstanding a single bijuu RS, as a couple BDRS is all he needs which isnt really a big deal for him,

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his PS is utmost fodder to BDRS

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@Bold - I have given you more than enough scans, read my points as well as the manga properly, because kakashi simply gets wrecked here,

IN THE SCAN YOU ADDED, BZ's saying that her speed and strength is nothing compared to before is most likely translation mistake and makes no sense after BZ himself said in the same scan that his mom has just gained more power ,it doesnt make sense seeing how she got a huge chakra from underground

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This translation doesn't make sense seeing how BZ smiled then and seeing how she could evade both naruto and sasuke's s/t jutsu at the same time but for sakura Lol ,while she couldnt evade naruto alone before

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i think this was translation mistake,i think this trasnlation makes much more sense

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i think you whole post was based on that translation mistake

So that what happened naruto speed blitzed pre powered up kaguya while kakashi speedblitzed a more powerful kaguya after she has gained a more chakra ,
Kaguya who kakashi speed blitzed , managed to evade both of naruto and sasuke at the same time

So with feats ,naruto isn't going to speedblize kakashi ,kakashi will react to him and use intangibility or kamui raiki

here, kakashi warped kaguya's bone and portal before naruto got 1 cm closer to the bone though both naruto and the bone was going toward each other, that means that naruto was getting closer to the bone with his speed and the bone's speed combined ,however naruto didn't get one cm closer to the bone till kakashi had warped the bone and the portal

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naruto looked like a freezing object when kakashi used the kamui ,naruto isnt evading kamui let alone his clones which were fodderized by pre powered up kaguya while kakashi speed blitzed powered up kaguya

even if ps was destroyed ,kakashi still has the intangibility which is his strongest defense ,kakashi can warp naruto's attacks by kamui or kamui shrukens then get it out on naruto

 

[Xlad]

Naruto stills destroys him.

 

[ARGUS]

IN THE SCAN YOU ADDED, BZ's saying that her speed and strength is nothing compared to before is most likely translation mistake and makes no sense after BZ himself said in the same scan that his mom has just gained more power ,it doesnt make sense seeing how she got a huge chakra from underground

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Yeah i got the scan from this site, its a translation mistake,
however that still doesnt change the fact how kakashis PS was shattered by only one bone attack,
narutos BDRS barrages and Bijuu RS crush kakashis PS with utmost ease,

This translation doesn't make sense seeing how BZ smiled then and seeing how she could evade both naruto and sasuke's s/t jutsu at the same time but for sakura Lol ,while she couldnt evade naruto alone before

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the translation error still doesnt change the fact that all naruto needs is a couple of BDRS and kakashis PS is done for
As for sakuras attack landing, please ask kishi about it, bcz i cant give you a logical explanation apart from the fact that she was completely cornered,
and it the translation mistake still doesnt change the fact that naruto blitzed and chopped kaguya off fair and square through his flash shunshin, whilst kaguya reacted to Sasukes S/T based attack (which is faster than Kamui) just fine,

i think this was translation mistake,i think this trasnlation makes much more sense

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i think you whole post was based on that translation mistake

Honestly the translation mistake doesnt affect my point at all,
--narutos firepower is still too much for kakashis PS,and his speed and reflexes as well as his several clones make quick work out of kamui, as these several clones then proceed to gang bang kakashi

So that what happened naruto speed blitzed pre powered up kaguya while kakashi speedblitzed a more powerful kaguya after she has gained a more chakra ,
Kaguya who kakashi speed blitzed , managed to evade both of naruto and sasuke at the same time

Firstly, Kakashi never blitzd kaguya,, she clearly saw his attack coming,
secondly, naruto didnt even use his top speed against kaguya in that attack, so ur whole point is moot here,
because when naruto did use his top speed, kaguya got outright blitzed,

So with feats ,naruto isn't going to speedblize kakashi ,kakashi will react to him and use intangibility or kamui raiki

His kamui raikiri is not doin shit here,
narutos top speed laughs at kamui, and along with his sensing and immense reflexes, kamui raikiri is not doing shit

here, kakashi warped kaguya's bone and portal before naruto got 1 cm closer to the bone though both naruto and the bone was going toward each other, that means that naruto was getting closer to the bone with his speed and the bone's speed combined ,however naruto didn't get one cm closer to the bone till kakashi had warped the bone and the portal

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naruto looked like a freezing object when kakashi used the kamui ,naruto isnt evading kamui let alone his clones which were fodderized by pre powered up kaguya while kakashi speed blitzed powered up kaguya

Again, ur point is moot, since naruto wasnt even using anywhere near his top speed, he wasnt even using his shunshin for crying out loud,
i will repeat again, how naruto wins this

--naruto can sense the chakra built up for the long range kamui warp and evade the warp with ease,

--narutos speed is also more than enough to evade every kamui warps with ease,

--his clones are a nightmare for kakashi and gangbang him once he solidifies to attack, especially seeing how kakashi is likely to get blitzed by them just how kaguya did in canon

--his PS is still fodder infront of Bijuu RS and BDRS and his kamui shurikens are countered through FRS and every other projectile with ease,

even if ps was destroyed ,kakashi still has the intangibility which is his strongest defense ,kakashi can warp naruto's attacks by kamui or kamui shrukens then get it out on naruto

Once PS is destroyed,

naruto sends off his several clones which completely disrupt his kamui and gangbang him the moment he solidifies to attack, as all naruto needs is one blow and kakashi done for,
and good luck to kakashi warping narutos attacks, when he can fire them off from multiple directions and when his attacks are huge in size,

kamui shurikens are countered through FRS and other projectile based attacks such as YRS

in summary: Kakashi gets wrecked

 

[synkross]

well Kakashi lost MS in the latest chapter, so we can deduce that,Kakashi could do only 3 moves with Obito's chakra.

The 3 moves Kakashi did before losing Obi's chakra were:

1-Using 4 Kamui shuriken through PS.
2-Using Kamui to phase through the bone attack.
3-Using Kamui + Raikri.

After using these 3 moves Kakashi lost Obito's chakra and is back to normal now.

So if Kakashi can't put down Naruto within these 3 moves, he's in for a beating of a life time.

 

[wael reda]

well Kakashi lost MS in the latest chapter, so we can deduce that,Kakashi could do only 3 moves with Obito's chakra.

The 3 moves Kakashi did before losing Obi's chakra were:

1-Using 4 Kamui shuriken through PS.
2-Using Kamui to phase through the bone attack.
3-Using Kamui + Raikri.

After using these 3 moves Kakashi lost Obito's chakra and is back to normal now.

So if Kakashi can't put down Naruto within these 3 moves, he's in for a beating of a life time.

really!!? where was it showed that kakashi lost his sharingan?

 

[wael reda]

Yeah i got the scan from this site, its a translation mistake,
however that still doesnt change the fact how kakashis PS was shattered by only one bone attack,
narutos BDRS barrages and Bijuu RS crush kakashis PS with utmost ease,

i have never said that naruto hasnt the enough firepower to destroy ps ,naruto’s destructive power surly can destroy any ps in the manga
but cant kakashi warp naruto’s biju RS by kamui shrukens then get it out on naruto?
i think he can

the translation error still doesnt change the fact that all naruto needs is a couple of BDRS and kakashis PS is done for
As for sakuras attack landing, please ask kishi about it, bcz i cant give you a logical explanation apart from the fact that she was completely cornered,
and it the translation mistake still doesnt change the fact that naruto blitzed and chopped kaguya off fair and square through his flash shunshin, whilst kaguya reacted to Sasukes S/T based attack (which is faster than Kamui) just fine,

i spoke about naruto’s destroying ps above

the right translation changes many things

first ,according to the wrong translation ,you were saying naruto speed blitzed full powered kaguya while kakashi speed blitzed weakened kaguya ,so with the wrong translation ,naruto’s speed feats is better than kakashi’s and naruto can speed blitze him

but according to the right translation ,naruto speed blitzed pre powered up kaguya(which was low in chakra stated by BZ) while kakashi speed blitzed powered up kaguya who is much faster than before and was able to evade both naruto and sasuke’s s/t at the same time

according to the right translation,kakashi’s speed feats is better than naruto’s ,as he speed blitzed a much faster kaguya than who naruto speed blitzed
so by feats ,if there is one going to speed blitze the other ,he will be kakashi

Honestly the translation mistake doesnt change my point at all,
--narutos firepower is still too much for kakashis PS,and his speed and reflexes as well as his several clones make quick work out of kamui, as these several clones then proceed to gang bang kakashi

again,i spoke about naruto’s destroying ps

Firstly, Kakashi never blitzd kaguya,, she clearly saw his attack coming,
secondly, naruto didnt even use his top speed against kaguya in that attack, so ur whole point is moot here,
because when naruto did use his top speed, kaguya got outright blitzed,

no,kakashi speed blitzed kaguya,dont try to get rid of kakashi’s speed feats
she was looking directly on him before he speed blitzed her ,that supports my point that kakashi didnt injure her while she was looking at another direction but when she was looking directly on him
she couldnt react or evade kakashi ,that is called speed blitzing

you should prove that naruto didnt use his top speed at this attack though he was going to seal kaguya ,logically he must have used his top speed

kaguya could evade naruto at this attack while she couldnt before, not because naruto wasnt using his top speed but because kaguya who evaded naruto is much faster and stronger than the one who was speed blitzed by naruto as she gained more chakra and power

His kamui raikiri is not doin shit here,
narutos top speed laughs at kamui, and along with his sensing and immense reflexes, kamui raikiri is not doing shit

ok,kamui raiki did shit to powered up kaguya who evaded both naruto ’s top speed and sasuke’s s/t at the same time
all you say is fan fiction ,by feats kamui raiki would do to naruto what it did to powered up kaguya and even worse

Again, ur point is moot, since naruto wasnt even using anywhere near his top speed, he wasnt even using his shunshin for crying out loud,
i will repeat again, how naruto wins this

--naruto can sense the chakra built up for the long range kamui warp and evade the warp with ease,

--narutos speed is also more than enough to evade every kamui warps with ease,

--his clones are a nightmare for kakashi and gangbang him once he solidifies to attack, especially seeing how kakashi is likely to get blitzed by them just how kaguya did in canon

--his PS is still fodder infront of Bijuu RS and BDRS and his kamui shurikens are countered through FRS and every other projectile with ease,

i spoke about ps and naruto’s speed in the last attack

i gave you scan where kakashi warped the bone and the portal before naruto got closer to the bone 1cm though both naruto and the bone was going toward each other ,so by feats kamui fused with rikudo chakra is faster than naruto

warping naruto’s head takes a part of a part of the second seeing how fast war arc 1 ms kakashi without rikudo chakra warped gedo’s whole arm which is at least 100 x human size ,considering that akatsuki members were standing on his fingers edges
fancy how fast would dms kakashi with rikudo chakra warp naruto’s neck

as long as kakashi can follow naruto for a part of a part of second,he can warp his neck

kamui raiki enables kakashi to attack with raiki while being intangible

Once PS is destroyed,

naruto sends off his several clones which completely disrupt his kamui and gangbang him the moment he solidifies to attack, as all naruto needs is one blow and kakashi done for,
and good luck to kakashi warping narutos attacks, when he can fire them off from multiple directions and when his attacks are huge in size,

kamui shurikens are countered through FRS and other projectile based attacks such as YRS

in summary: Kakashi gets wrecked

i spoke about all that but i add that kakashi can throw his kamui shrukens at different directions too to warp naruto clones ,and if naruto tried to block it with his RS varients ,his RS will counter kamui shrukens but it will get warped too,then kakashi can get it out on naruto and his clones

in summary: naruto isnt going to wreck anyone here,it will be close match up
i can see kakashi win high diff if naruto has no intel about kamui abilities as he wont use any of the strategies you mentioned
with no intel he wont make clones to avoid beiing sniped ,he wont know how intangibility works ...etc

and i can see naruto win high diff ,if he has full intel about kamui’s abilities and tricks