Ah yes, use the example where Luffy won because he had help from another Supernova and dozens of fighters to justify your point. What could possibly be the flaw here.
That's not the point I was trying to make to you so I say once again, if you want to act ignorant then go right ahead, the point I'm trying to make to you is that if he says he's going to kick somebody's ass, most of the times it happens, whether he does it as a team up is irrelevant, my argument was that Luffy stated openly to Brulee that he wanted to surpass Kata and beat him at his best. That wasn't just some statement that Oda just decided to throw in there and not have come to fruition but I don't have to explain that to you, you already know that.... Riker.
Notice how your next example is a future scenario that hasn't happened yet? Because in the present, two Emperors bitch-slapped Luffy.
So basically you admit it will happen then, gotcha. And I like how you say "future scenario" as if its happening a long time from now... no its happening in this very arc and we are more than likely 20 or more chapters away from said fight. Its so soon the present might as well be the future... Oh wait.. In One piece time it actually is.... the fights going to commence in no later than an hour from where they are cause they have already infiltrated the party. Like I said throw your weak counter arguments in the fucking trash.
You're going to use the fight we're contesting as proof that the side your contesting for is right? Please Google what "begging the question" means.
Funny you bring this up because im not the one assuming anything, Oda didn't have Luffy say he wanted to surpass Kata and beat him fair and square and not have that be the case. Unlike any of the shit you spout this actually comes from the manga buddy, whether you choose to accept this is your problem but im going to go with what the author stated.
Okay. None of that proves Luffy would have won the fight if Katakuri had not stabbed himself.
And nothing proves that Kata would have won either... If he was so obviously going to win then why did Oda find it necessary to have Flampe get involved?? I love how you still haven't gave me an answer for that.
The fact that Katakuri was able to land MANY blows on Luffy before the stab and that Luffy was steadily getting stable in his footing. Katakuri being able to land that hit on Luffy is far far FAR more likely to occur than Luffy being able to impact that much damage on Katakuri.
Then why come this wasn't the case after he stabbed himself then? Luffy had a hole in his fucking abdomen and got hit according to you many times before that. Whereas Katakuri was completely fine before the stab and STILL LOST despite taking far less damage. You don't know whats far more likely you're guess is just as good as any, all I know is the facts, and that's when Luffy busted out Snakeman and utilized Black Mamba and Kata busted out Diced Mochi both attacks connected and the Winner was Luffy. And Luffy took Katas strongest attack both times still ready to fight. And Luffy even got out of the big ass crater he was in before Kata stood on his own two feet.
It's reasonable that Katakuri would be able to have landed that damage on Luffy anyway because he was already wailing on Luffy. The scenario of Katakuri taking the damage he did with his stab being landed on him by Luffy is not.
Its not reasonable, because if it was then flambe wouldn't have needed to get involved, she fucked up the fight for the both of them. luffy still had Snakeman up his sleeve and Kata still had his ultimate attack. Your guess is as good as mine as to what would have happened. All I know is Snakeman is still on the table just like it was after he was hurt. He would have used that eventually regardless. What happens after that we won’t ever know. But I don’t have any reason to believe the conclusion is different from how it actually ended. But your guess would be just as good as mine on that.
The real answer for this is for the sake of Katakuri's character development, but you do realize I can flip this around on you and say "If Luffy could have inflicted the damage Katakuri did on his own, why did Oda bother having Katakuri stab himself. It's because Luffy couldn't, and he needed to include that to maintain the consistency of Katakuri's power while telling the story he wanted to tell where Luffy wins."
You cant flip shit, he needed to stab himself because flambe got involved and caused Luffy to get stabbed causing Katakuri to have an unfair advantage during the battle that’s why he did it, did Oda want Kata to get some character development? Absolutely yes, but if you are thinking that Oda caused Kata to injure his self to nerf him so Luffy could win then you are flat out wrong. Oda always intended for this fight to be fair which is why he went out of his way to have Luffy say, “I want to surpass him.” “And beat him at his best.” Assuming anything more than that is just headcannon. The fight was equal afterwards, implying that it was in fact fair before, it’s just that Flambe got her ass involved and fucked it up.
Yonko Commander level is not a thing.
Its not a manga used term, but its a fandom used term that's pretty much an unconfirmed Manga thing. The 3 sweet commanders are Top Yonko commanders, Marco, Jozu, Vista, are Top Yonko commanders, The calamities are all Top Yonko commanders.
Because Big Mom still had a huge military force? You act as though an Emperor crew consists of just an Emperor and his commanders.
Never said that, but if a fight were to happen the fight is going to be decided by BM and WB and her Top 3 and his Top 3. I don't need to explain something as obvious as this to you.
I mean if you're gonna defeat your own arguments for me, why even bother trying to get me to reply.
lol defeat what??? No where did I say Luffy would be soloing Kaido, and to win this battle its not like he has to, as Marco is nowhere near Kaidos level.
Uhm, no, I just know that we can only go by what we've seen, and not what we expect to see. If it happens, cool, but right now, it's 100% guesswork and things you're making up, and that makes VS matches utterly pointless. I can just as easily say rn that Marco has advanced advanced Armament and would supersede Luffy's advanced Armament. How are you gonna disprove me, it's just as true as what you just said right now.
Stop it just fucking stop, you always loved playing Devils advocate. We don't need to see Luffy vs Kaido battle right now to know that its happening very soon. And lol and now I'm making shit up El oh El man. Marco has hardly any relevancy to the main current story and won't be fighting and beating a Yonko ever in his fucking lifetime so good luck with that. The burden of proof that Marco can contend with Yonkos is on you, the burden of proof that Marco can use Advanced CoA is on you, despite there being nothing stated, hinted or implied that he can, that’s on you to prove and you might as well be arguing that in your mind, because you probably won’t be getting an on panel fight from Marco ever again let alone Advanced CoA feats that he doesn’t have. Just like yall Marco fanboys want to use the argument that since he clashed with the Admirals he’s stronger than somebody that hasn’t I can also use the argument that Luffy hurting and eventually defeating Kaido puts his feat above Marcos. And guess what? I don’t have to guesstimate that Luffy will at least harm Kaido in some way, as he isn’t winning any other damn way. And even though it hasn’t happened yet it’s going to happen very soon in story. This is exactly why Marcos skirmish with the Admirals isn’t impressive In the slightest, as all Luffy has to do is the bare minimum against Kaido and Marcos feat is already shitted on because landing hits and blows on a Top tier but failing to harm a Top tier is not an impressive feat and it’s something Luffy already did against Kaido at the beginning of this damn arc!!!! But I know your fanboy mind ain’t counting that.
You're the one that tried to say that Luffy beats Marco because Marco lost to Blackbeard who's weaker than Kaido who Luffy is gonna beat.
I used that to say that Marco is nowhere near Yonko level and by extension no where near fighting on par with serious Admirals. Yall Marco fanboys like to use him clashing with Admirals as proof of him being Admiral level right???? But yet he suffered an overwhelming defeat to pre skip Blackbeard. If he was as strong as an Admiral why an overwhelming defeat??? Because he's not Admiral level and never has been, he had short skirmishes with them just as Jozu did but I bet youre not finna say that Jozu is admiral level now are you???
We know that Vista isn't on Mihawk's level because of how Mihawk scales to characters that are above Vista. The problem with this argument is that Marco also scales above Vista to a similar level, so the circumstances that make Vista<Mihawk don't apply to Marco.
And I can say that exact same shit for Marco, like your argument is absolutely trash, I’m convinced you’re just wanking Marco and handpicking what you want to be accepted rather than the truth. It might not apply the same way because hes stronger than Vista and is the right hand man of WB but it still applies to him as well, nothing during MF suggested that Marco was Admiral level absolutely not a damn thing. In fact he attacked Akainu with Vistas help and barely did shit to Akainu. Whereas Shanks a guy on Mihawks level, stopped Akainu dead in his tracks and told him and the marines if they wanted to keep fighting then the red hair pirates would get involved and Akainu didn't do a damn thing. Akainu was going at Marco and a platoon of Commanders with no fear, but when Shanks showed up and confronted him he didn’t want to continue. Marco didnt have that kind of portrayal not even fucking close.
This is exactly why this match-up is such a bad prompt. You have to completely make up that Marco's longevity is a weakness of his to start your point against Luffy. And what's your basis? Nothing that was seen from Marco himself, just "His fruit is really good." So instead of taking what Oda said in the SBS about Marco's fruit having limits and taking that to the logical conclusion that he can't heal injuries beyond a certain point(which we see with Garp punching him so hard, he had a bruise on his human head), THIS is the route we end up at. Nonsense.
Its not a bad match up because we know Marcos fruit has a limit so idiots like you cant think hes just going to plow through every attack no problem and win. Advanced CoA ignores Marcos healing and hits him directly in his organs, over and over and over. Its a completely feasible match up to comprehend unless you just choose to assume Marco is untouchable because he had some damn skirmishes with an Admiral. Fanboys trying to prove one character is stronger than another based off a short clash is whats a bad prompt. As it doesnt cause your brain to think, it just gets biased.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
