current lebron>prime kobe

[wutangforever]

If that was the case he wouldn't have lost in the finals... Twice!!!

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kobe lost in finals TWICE

 

[Gobi Bryant]

now people r going to say kobe has 5 rings well guess what for 3 rings he was riding the coattails of shaq i mean u could have put tracy mcgrady in kobes place and tracy would have 3 rings and for the other 2 rings he has pau gasol and when he was by himself kobe didnt go anywhere as for lebron he took shitty teams to a championship and eastern conference finals

Lebron depended on Wade, wade won with old shaq, and as I remember Shaq came to play with kobe in 96

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kobe lost in finals TWICE

But Kobe has a + 500 record in the finals and LBJ 1 for 3

 

[Ciberr]

> Gets his first ring

> After switching teams.

smh this is what kills the debate .

OT: Nahh i like lebron now being better than kobe. But bush kobe was the man.

 

[wutangforever]

Lebron depended on Wade, wade won with old shaq, and as I remember Shaq came to play with kobe in 96

look dwade is my favorite player but it was mainly lebron in the playoffs this year dwade was off in the playoffs this year and for what u said about shaq dont be stupid shaq went to LA because it was LA not for kobe

 

[HitmanSasuke23]

why? lebron is better than him in everything except kobes a better shotter

Kobe had more heart he was never afraid if the big moment... Lebron was never comfortable being the man when the pressure rose he shrunk...that's why he joined D-Wade and Bosh just so he doesn't have to be the closer that we all know he clearly is not

 

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i think kobe > lebron he is pretty overrated but whatever i dont kare about basketball so....

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[HitmanSasuke23]

now people r going to say kobe has 5 rings well guess what for 3 rings he was riding the coattails of shaq i mean u could have put tracy mcgrady in kobes place and tracy would have 3 rings and for the other 2 rings he has pau gasol and when he was by himself kobe didnt go anywhere as for lebron he took shitty teams to a championship and eastern conference finals

The eastern conference was trash back then...as for riding the coat tails of shaq last time I checked shaq big ass was 0-1 in the finals before teaming up with Kobe...He won 3 with Kobe...as far as putting T-Mac on that team they would not have won 3 rings because T-Mac was not a great defender...Kobe shut down the opposing teams best player along with Rick Fox

 

[wutangforever]

Kobe had more heart he was never afraid if the big moment... Lebron was never comfortable being the man when the pressure rose he shrunk...that's why he joined D-Wade and Bosh just so he doesn't have to be the closer that we all know he clearly is not

@bold excuse me is there a way prove this no there isnt is dont bring stuff u cant proof into this and by the way kobe doesnt get past the first round of the playoffs without anybody on the other hand lebron takes his shitty team to the championship

 

[OG Smoove]

now people r going to say kobe has 5 rings well guess what for 3 rings he was riding the coattails of shaq i mean u could have put tracy mcgrady in kobes place and tracy would have 3 rings and for the other 2 rings he has pau gasol and when he was by himself kobe didnt go anywhere as for lebron he took shitty teams to a championship and eastern conference finals

The same lame ass argument that every kobe hater use that "kobe wouldn't have won those three rings without shaq". Shaq wouldn't have won those three rings without Kobe either so that statement makes zero sense. And you also brought up Pau Gasol, you must have forgot who won the finals mvp in both of those finals. Lebron had to go on another superstar team in order to get his first ring and failed miserably against a dallas maverick that I thought that the Heat might sweep but lost because of LeBron. Oh and the two finals was none of kobe fault well just a little bit in the 04 finals but it was nothing compared to the lebron 8 pt performance in a game where if the heat had won they would definitely be the champs.

 

[Gobi Bryant]

Stupid is a pretty strong word, anyway Shaq went for the money but he knew he would not be able to get rings on his own and discussed his role with the GM about the young talent (Kobe) roles in the team and how they would be used as main staples and btw

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[wutangforever]

The same lame ass argument that every kobe hater use that "kobe wouldn't have won those three rings without shaq". Shaq wouldn't have won those three rings without Kobe either so that statement makes zero sense. And you also brought up Pau Gasol, you must have forgot who won the finals mvp in both of those finals. Lebron had to go on another superstar team in order to get his first ring and failed miserably against a dallas maverick that I thought that the Heat might sweep but lost because of LeBron. Oh and the two finals was none of kobe fault well just a little bit in the 04 finals but it was nothing compared to the lebron 8 pt performance in a game where if the heat had won they would definitely be the champs.

pau gasol is a superstar dumbass at his best hes the best PF in the league by far so yes kobe needs a superstar too get deep in the playoffs while lebron doesnt. at the other bolded why is it not kobe fault imo the fact that he lost in finals with shaq is underlooked but of course laker fan logic its not hes fault right? how do lose in finals with a top 7 best player of all time honestly

 

[PUU]

The OP is too vague so I am just going to assume that he is only comparing LeBron and Kobe’s prime years. Now before I get started, comparing these two players prime to each other’s isn’t fair to do being that Kobe has played through his prime entirely while as LeBron just entered his a year or 2 ago. Also it is difficult to do this because people have different meanings and time frames of a player entering and ending of their prime years. With that being said, my view on a player’s prime is when the player’s skill set, peak athleticism, basketball IQ, maturity, and experience all comes together at a certain range of age which I believe is usually around the age from 26-31 years old. People need to understand that a player’s prime years may not always be their best in terms of productivity or accomplishments, it could be before or after the age span I just gave. Now obviously player’s athleticism towards the end of their prime will not be as athletic when they entered it or a player’s basketball IQ and skill set will probably be better towards the end of their prime than when they entered it.

With that being said even though LeBron’s prime isn’t over I will still compare all of Kobe’s years in his prime to LeBron’s and determine who’s better.

STATISTICS:

Kobe (regular season averages)

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 LAL 66 66 40.7 0.433 0.339 0.816 1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 1.3 0.8 4.09 2.64 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 0.450 0.347 0.850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.91 35.4
06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 0.463 0.344 0.868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.66 31.6
07-08 LAL 82 82 38.9 0.459 0.361 0.840 1.1 5.2 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 3.13 2.77 28.3
08-09 LAL 82 82 36.1 0.467 0.351 0.856 1.1 4.1 5.2 4.9 1.5 0.4 2.56 2.30 26.8
09-10 LAL 73 73 38.8 0.456 0.329 0.811 1.1 4.3 5.4 5.0 1.6 0.3 3.19 2.56 27.0

Kobe (post season averages) *04-05 LAL didn’t make the playoffs

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 LAL 7 7 44.9 0.497 0.400 0.771 0.6 5.7 6.3 5.1 1.1 0.4 4.71 3.57 27.9
06-07 LAL 5 5 43.0 0.462 0.357 0.919 0.2 5.0 5.2 4.4 1.0 0.4 4.40 2.00 32.8
07-08 LAL 21 21 41.1 0.479 0.302 0.809 0.9 4.8 5.7 5.6 1.7 0.4 3.33 2.81 30.1
08-09 LAL 23 23 40.9 0.457 0.349 0.883 0.8 4.5 5.3 5.5 1.6 0.9 2.57 2.57 30.2
09-10 LAL 23 23 40.1 0.458 0.374 0.842 1.1 4.9 6.0 5.5 1.4 0.7 3.43 3.26 29.2

LeBron (regular season averages)

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 MIA 79 79 38.8 0.510 0.330 0.759 1.0 6.5 7.5 7.0 1.6 0.6 3.59 2.06 26.7
11-12 MIA 62 62 37.5 0.531 0.362 0.771 1.5 6.4 7.9 6.2 1.8 0.8 3.44 1.55 27.1

LeBron (post season averages)

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 MIA 21 21 43.9 0.466 0.353 0.763 1.6 6.8 8.4 5.9 1.7 1.2 3.14 2.67 23.7
11-12 MIA 23 23 42.7 0.500 0.259 0.739 2.3 7.4 9.7 5.6 1.9 0.7 3.52 2.04 30.3

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CAREER AWARDS:

Kobe

• 04-05: All-NBA third team, NBA all-star starter
• 05-06: All-NBA first team, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter, scoring title
• 06-07: All-NBA first team, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter (was named MVP), Scoring title
• 07-08: NBA regular season MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter
• 08-09: NBA Finals MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter (was named Co-MVP)
• 09-10: NBA Finals MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter

Lebron

• 10-11: All-NBA first team, NBA all-star starter, all defensive first team
• 11-12: NBA Finals MVP, NBA Regular Season MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter

* I know both these players have more accomplishments during those years like team records/individual records etc… Didn’t feel like listing them all.

In Conclusion:

As you see above, Kobe has done more than LeBron obviously with the latter having just entered his prime. If I was just looking at the awards and statistics I would say Kobe’s prime is better than LeBron… but if I was actually looking at their game ( which I could go in-depth if anyone would like to discuss) and not just the numbers, LeBron’s 11-12 season was better than any of Kobe’s prime seasons. I’ll say Kobe’s prime was better for now but if LeBron continues to play like he did last year for the next few years, there would be no doubt that LeBron’s prime years were better than Kobe’s.

Just skimmed through the replies and I can’t believe the amount of fails I came across which I will most likely address later…

 

[Killer Vision]

The OP is too vague so I am just going to assume that he is only comparing LeBron and Kobe’s prime years. Now before I get started, comparing these two players prime to each other’s isn’t fair to do being that Kobe has played through his prime entirely while as LeBron just entered his a year or 2 ago. Also it is difficult to do this because people have different meanings and time frames of a player entering and ending of their prime years. With that being said, my view on a player’s prime is when the player’s skill set, peak athleticism, basketball IQ, maturity, and experience all comes together at a certain range of age which I believe is usually around the age from 26-31 years old. People need to understand that a player’s prime years may not always be their best in terms of productivity or accomplishments, it could be before or after the age span I just gave. Now obviously player’s athleticism towards the end of their prime will not be as athletic when they entered it or a player’s basketball IQ and skill set will probably be better towards the end of their prime than when they entered it.

With that being said even though LeBron’s prime isn’t over I will still compare all of Kobe’s years in his prime to LeBron’s and determine who’s better.

STATISTICS:

Kobe (regular season averages)

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 LAL 66 66 40.7 0.433 0.339 0.816 1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 1.3 0.8 4.09 2.64 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 0.450 0.347 0.850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.91 35.4
06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 0.463 0.344 0.868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.66 31.6
07-08 LAL 82 82 38.9 0.459 0.361 0.840 1.1 5.2 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 3.13 2.77 28.3
08-09 LAL 82 82 36.1 0.467 0.351 0.856 1.1 4.1 5.2 4.9 1.5 0.4 2.56 2.30 26.8
09-10 LAL 73 73 38.8 0.456 0.329 0.811 1.1 4.3 5.4 5.0 1.6 0.3 3.19 2.56 27.0

Kobe (post season averages) *04-05 LAL didn’t make the playoffs

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
05-06 LAL 7 7 44.9 0.497 0.400 0.771 0.6 5.7 6.3 5.1 1.1 0.4 4.71 3.57 27.9
06-07 LAL 5 5 43.0 0.462 0.357 0.919 0.2 5.0 5.2 4.4 1.0 0.4 4.40 2.00 32.8
07-08 LAL 21 21 41.1 0.479 0.302 0.809 0.9 4.8 5.7 5.6 1.7 0.4 3.33 2.81 30.1
08-09 LAL 23 23 40.9 0.457 0.349 0.883 0.8 4.5 5.3 5.5 1.6 0.9 2.57 2.57 30.2
09-10 LAL 23 23 40.1 0.458 0.374 0.842 1.1 4.9 6.0 5.5 1.4 0.7 3.43 3.26 29.2

LeBron (regular season averages)

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 MIA 79 79 38.8 0.510 0.330 0.759 1.0 6.5 7.5 7.0 1.6 0.6 3.59 2.06 26.7
11-12 MIA 62 62 37.5 0.531 0.362 0.771 1.5 6.4 7.9 6.2 1.8 0.8 3.44 1.55 27.1

LeBron (post season averages)

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
10-11 MIA 21 21 43.9 0.466 0.353 0.763 1.6 6.8 8.4 5.9 1.7 1.2 3.14 2.67 23.7
11-12 MIA 23 23 42.7 0.500 0.259 0.739 2.3 7.4 9.7 5.6 1.9 0.7 3.52 2.04 30.3

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CAREER AWARDS:

Kobe

• 04-05: All-NBA third team, NBA all-star starter
• 05-06: All-NBA first team, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter, scoring title
• 06-07: All-NBA first team, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter (was named MVP), Scoring title
• 07-08: NBA regular season MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter
• 08-09: NBA Finals MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter (was named Co-MVP)
• 09-10: NBA Finals MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter

Lebron

• 10-11: All-NBA first team, NBA all-star starter, all defensive first team
• 11-12: NBA Finals MVP, NBA Regular Season MVP, all defensive first team, NBA all-star starter

* I know both these players have more accomplishments during those years like team records/individual records etc… Didn’t feel like listing them all.

In Conclusion:

As you see above, Kobe has done more than LeBron obviously with the latter having just entered his prime. If I was just looking at the awards and statistics I would say Kobe’s prime is better than LeBron… but if I was actually looking at their game ( which I could go in-depth if anyone would like to discuss) and not just the numbers, LeBron’s 11-12 season was better than any of Kobe’s prime seasons. I’ll say Kobe’s prime was better for now but if LeBron continues to play like he did last year for the next few years, there would be no doubt that LeBron’s prime years were better than Kobe’s.

Just skimmed through the replies and I can’t believe the amount of fails I came across which I will most likely address later…

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offensively, Kobe takes this but when your talking about the complete package, i have to give this to Lebron.

 

[Jinbei]

> Gets his first ring

> After switching teams.

I never liked this argument, at all. First of all, I am not going to try and justify the way he departed, but leaving the Cleveland team for pretty much any other would have earned him a good chance at a championship ( Except, perhaps, the Bobcats xD ). There has been a lot of hate going to LeBron for his decision, and it was shown during his first year as a Miami Heat that switching teams didn't mean that he would automatically earn a ring because he was surrounded with Superstars, as pretty much an eighty percent of the population thought. I am a diehard LeBron fan, and I will say this; he got what he deserved, but he also got what he needed during his lost against Dallas.

However, for the last season, that's simply not valid anymore. The guy took the responsibility upon his shoulders and decided to finally focus on getting it done instead of blabbering and trash-talking. Must I remind anyone D-Wade wasn't really playing during these playoff? Must I remind anyone that Bosh was out for pretty much every playoff game except for some of the conference finals and the Playoff finals?

The guy not only became a scoring machine, but he shut down every important player defensively. He can now play 4 different positions and such versatility is often overlooked when merely reading stats. He single-handedly DESTROYED the Boston Celtics, on a game 6 of the Conference Finals, when his reputation, 'legacy' and pretty much everything his talent and hard-work had earned him over the years were on the line. When it come down to it, the guy scored, assisted, defended and rebounded! He was doing it all! He outclassed the whole arsenal Boston had to offer by himself and even shut down Paul Pierce on both ends. I do try to remain objective, and I have even admitted tons of mistake he has done, but to simply say he has won his ring because of others? That, I am afraid, I won't tolerate.

nope, how can you say that? Lebron is on pace to be one of the greatest of all time, but at this point to surpass the black mamba.

at this point in Kobe career he had 3 rings, and at 28 led the league in scoring with 35.6 ppg and scored the second most points in a game..

Imo lebron at the end of his career might go down as the greatest ever, but as of now He isn't better then kobe prime.

SN: of all time

1a. Jordan
1b. Kobe

Well, he already had two consecutive Finals appearance, and this year he is in for a good dispute. But, as it stands, Kobe had more rings than LeBron does at the moment. And yes, LeBron isn't the league's greatest scorer right now, but he is the most complete player in the league right now. He can do it all, something that ought to outshine the title of League's greatest scorer title. Besides, let it be noted outshining Durant in that category is nearly impossible, and this is coming from a Heat fan. xD

 

[Synister.]

Championships aside, Lebron is just a better all around athlete, he is bigger, stronger ect. than Kobe.

Now, Kobe has clearly shown that he is clutch in the 4th and LeBron, even though he did good in the finals and the playoffs, he still has to work on that.

But even with that, Lebron is a better passer and defensive player, therefore making his teamates and the team better.

So if i had a choice, i would pick Lebron over Kobe, but thats just my opinion.

 

[PUU]

Come dude be for real Kobe is better than LeBron

Not really. Care to explain…

talk to me when lebron has a ring on each finger il admit hes really really good but it will always be
1-Jordan
2-Bryant
3-James

So Bill Russel > Jordan, Robert Horry > Kobe, Adam Morrison > LeBron? Take that weak argument somewhere else… oh, and is that your ranking of just those three players or do you honestly those 3 basketball players are the 3 greatest of all-time (Kobe and LeBron)?

> Gets his first ring

> After switching teams.

What is your point?

Prime Kobe would wipe the floor with current lebron.
Off Topic: Durant is better than Lebron...

Please provide an actual argument before spewing nonsense… also it is clear as daytime that LeBron is better than Durant. If you want to debate that I will be willing to do that.

nope, how can you say that? Lebron is on pace to be one of the greatest of all time, but at this point to surpass the black mamba.

at this point in Kobe career he had 3 rings, and at 28 led the league in scoring with 35.6 ppg and scored the second most points in a game..

Imo lebron at the end of his career might go down as the greatest ever, but as of now He isn't better then kobe prime.

SN: of all time

1a. Jordan
1b. Kobe

Yes Kobe had 3 rings before entering his prime but the Lakers team was stacked back then while LeBron has carried average/below average teammates for most of his career. Kobe is a scorer so of course he is going to be putting up higher scoring number while LeBron isn’t, he is a facilitator who is the most complete basketball player in the game… something that Kobe wasn’t in his prime (although he was still a hell of a player).

I agree, he still has some work to do before I put him in the my top 10 greatest basketball players of all-time list… but I believe he will get there and even higher, if he can continue to produce at the level he is playing currently and win some more championships. As of now If we are talking about their whole careers, Kobe is definitely the better one but imo when it’s all said and done when LeBron’s career is over he will be ahead of Kobe.

What does SN mean? And I hope that isn’t their top 2 greatest basketball players of all-time because that would be a travesty if they actually think, Kobe is top 10 definitely but not top 5 let alone #2.

If that was the case he wouldn't have lost in the finals... Twice!!!

In his first championship appearance he probably carried one of the worst if not the worst supporting cast to make it to the finals, if you don’t remember here you go: Shannon brown, Daniel Gibson, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Big Z, Damon Jones, Donyell Marshall, Ira Newbie, Sasha Pavlovic, Scott Pollard, Eric Snow, Anderson Varajao, and David Wesley. LeBron does make his surrounding players better but he can’t make the shot for them. The Cavs second leading scorer was Drew Gooden who averaged 12.8 PPG. U_U

Lebron depended on Wade, wade won with old shaq, and as I remember Shaq came to play with kobe in 96

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But Kobe has a + 500 record in the finals and LBJ 1 for 3

LeBron is the best player on the Heat (Dwade and LeBron need each other), Kobe wasn't during the Shaq years (but both needed each other)

Charles Barkley was 0-1 in the finals if I remember correctly, does that mean Paul Pierce who went 1-2 in the finals is better? I think even Wilt Chamberlain has a losing record in the finals for his career but he is definitely better than most players who have a better record in the finals.

smh this is what kills the debate .

OT: Nahh i like lebron now being better than kobe. But bush kobe was the man.

Actually that quote was one of the worst arguments on this thread.

Yeah Kobe #8 was a beast but LeBron’s game is overall better which I would debate with you if you think otherwise.

Kobe had more heart he was never afraid if the big moment... Lebron was never comfortable being the man when the pressure rose he shrunk...that's why he joined D-Wade and Bosh just so he doesn't have to be the closer that we all know he clearly is not

So we are judging who is better by “who has more heart”… really?

Actually he is very comfortable of being "the man", he was "the man" throughout his whole Cavs career… he just lost that mindset the first season Miami formed the Big 3. With his shitty performance in the finals versus the Mavs which basically caused them to lose, he got a wakeup call which was the team’s success (especially winning titles) first runs through him and not hot potatoe'd back and forth with Dwade. He joined Bosh and Dwade because the Cavs owner didn't really try to help improve the team for them to win a championship; LeBron wanted to win titles immediately so he pursued his goal which was leaving that shitty team.

It seems like your trying to say that LeBron isn’t clutch (which is false), if you are read these articles to open up your mind a little to the truth.

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The eastern conference was trash back then...as for riding the coat tails of shaq last time I checked shaq big ass was 0-1 in the finals before teaming up with Kobe...He won 3 with Kobe...as far as putting T-Mac on that team they would not have won 3 rings because T-Mac was not a great defender...Kobe shut down the opposing teams best player along with Rick Fox

There is now doubt top to bottom the West was better but calling the east trash isn't a smart thing to say, they just weren’t as top heavy as the West. Also winning a championship is difficult to do whether if it is in the West or East, you make it seem has playing in the East was an easy way to get to the championship which is absurd. Are you saying that Shaq wasn’t the best player on those Lakers teams? Shaq was clearly the better player but both needed each other to win.

The same lame ass argument that every kobe hater use that "kobe wouldn't have won those three rings without shaq". Shaq wouldn't have won those three rings without Kobe either so that statement makes zero sense. And you also brought up Pau Gasol, you must have forgot who won the finals mvp in both of those finals. Lebron had to go on another superstar team in order to get his first ring and failed miserably against a dallas maverick that I thought that the Heat might sweep but lost because of LeBron. Oh and the two finals was none of kobe fault well just a little bit in the 04 finals but it was nothing compared to the lebron 8 pt performance in a game where if the heat had won they would definitely be the champs.

Why are you trying to hold LeBron teaming up with Dwade and Bosh against him? Kobe was drafted by the Charlotte Hornets and he told them and other teams that he only wanted to play for the Lakers and was going to play overseas or some shit like that if his demands wasn't met… The Nets wanted to draft him but after he made that demand they decided to take Kerry Kittles instead at the number 8 pick (Hornets had the 13th pick) in the draft (

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), later on they got Gasol and the rest is history. You are right in saying the Heat basically lost because of LeBron's shitty performance, he didn’t play like himself so the Mavs won ( I will be the first one to admit that, I consider myself his biggest fan but I'm realistic and he didn't perform)… but he made up for that next year. Oh you should thank Ron Artest in game 7 vs. Boston a few years ago because Kobe performance surely wasn’t going to get the job done.

 

[Minato is a thug]

no way dude

This ^^ lol thank you!!

 

[Minato is a thug]

While i am a huge Kobe fan i am sensible. Lebron is a complete freak of nature athletically. People say hes a better all around player but thats just not true. Kobe was definitely the better all-around player. He could score by posting you up, taking you to the rim, pull up, fade away you name it. He was also a great defender but i admit he's been tailing off lol lebron is not really a lock down defender in my eyes i've seen him get his ankle broken and everything else. Lebron is a power player and Kobe is a finess player its hard to really compare the two. But all around i give the edge to kobe

 

[Minato is a thug]

now people r going to say kobe has 5 rings well guess what for 3 rings he was riding the coattails of shaq i mean u could have put tracy mcgrady in kobes place and tracy would have 3 rings and for the other 2 rings he has pau gasol and when he was by himself kobe didnt go anywhere as for lebron he took shitty teams to a championship and eastern conference finals

This is laughable^^ Kobe had SMUSH PARKER, CHRIS MIMH, KWAME BROWN, and other no name players on his team lol Lebron had quality players like Daniel Gibson, Anderson Varejao, Shannon Brown, Larry Hughes (when he was good) Damon Jones, and Sasha Pavlocic. Now im 109 % sure Lebron's team had better players bud. And second MICHAEL JORDAN COULDN'T DO IT ALONE EITHER SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT?!?

 

[Minato is a thug]

kobe lost in finals TWICE

Kobe's team never got 4-0ed though.. And Kobe never faded under pressure