current kakashi is the strongest(read first)

[ChuckeffinNorris]

i know i know how bout madara +10 tails he is definately top 5
he is definately top 5
with juubi
he is definately top 3 totally, with juubi connection

 

[Draphsin]

you are justu stupid kids(or act stupid character) who admire the nice and big objects , shapes and color as susano it is much nice thing to kids(its color as red,blue)
kids don't know that susano can be destoryed with c3,juko boy,hirudora,bjudoma,tusonad's fist,...................etc
kids can't understand kamui ,can't understand that no attack can affect who in the other dimension
kids can't understand that no on can counter kamui
kids take thing with its shapes and color and nicknames
kids consider shisui who has only KA need connected eyes,shisui can't use it only one time every 10 years amd shisui hasn't any defense yet it is mean that c3,hirudora,juko boy ,asakagiu,bijudoama,any attack can affect him although all that kids put him stronger than akashi
kids consider izuna who didn't appear yet and we don't know any of power stronger than kakashi
kids put any kage or akatsuki's member (nicknames)stronger than kakashi
kids put tosunade stronger than kakashi although kakashi can beat her in second and mei too
kids put itachi #1 although there are many attacks affect him
kids can't understand that kakashi has attack which no one can counter it and has defense no attack can affect it
kakashi is top 10 without kuarma chakra ,understand it kids

lol im done arguing with you because this post perfectly demonstrates your stupidity

btw how old are YOU? because i havent seen anybody older than my 6 year old sister who types that atrociously.

Who the **** is tusonad? and asakagiu? LOL

 

[ChuckeffinNorris]

yes ignore it is purely an attempt to get post count up obviously

 

[kakashi ms]

FOR THE BOLD: SHOW ME PROOF LOL, YAGURA A JINJURIKI GOT CAUGHT IN A GENJUTSU SO GOING BY YOUR LOGIC JIRAIYA COULD BREAK FREE FROM ANY GENJUTSU JUST BECAUSE HE JHAS SAGE CHAKRA & REGULAR CHAKRA.....

NEXT BOLD: Read the ****ing manga

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Tayuya's genjutsu beats them both 1v1 but not together :sy: Tayuya would get roflstomped by Itachi 1v1 with ephemeral

with your logic(the winner is the stronger)tayua stronger than itachi
your said yagura hsa jnchruki and couldn't break the ginjutsu because obito was control both of them(yagura ,the biju)
kakshi can break any ginjutsu with kuarma chakra

 

[kakashi ms]

lol im done arguing with you because this post perfectly demonstrates your stupidity

btw how old are YOU? because i havent seen anybody older than my 6 year old sister who types that atrociously.

no this post explain how stupidity is you ?
you can't understand kamui and its power

 

[Draphsin]

no this post explain how stupidity is you ?
you can't understand kamui and its power

BOLD: What are you even trying to say?!?! lmfaoo :rofl:

you cant understand that the top 10 fodderize kakashi

 

[ChuckeffinNorris]

why dont you just go out and say it kakashi ms?
kakashi >>>>>So6Px 40,000+6

 

[kakashi ms]

lol im done arguing with you because this post perfectly demonstrates your stupidity

btw how old are YOU? because i havent seen anybody older than my 6 year old sister who types that atrociously.

Who the **** is tusonad? and asakagiu? LOL

you can't understand my post as you juts kid

 

[Draphsin]

you can't understand my post as you juts kid

LOL out of curiosity, how old do you think i am? because i think youre 9.. amirite? xd

 

[kakashi ms]

LOL out of curiosity, how old do you think i am? because i think youre 9.. amirite? xd

i don't know how old are you
but i speak about your mind's level ,your thinking's level

 

[Draphsin]

i don't know how old are you
but i speak about your mind's level ,your thinking's level

Man your grammar is terrible, how do you expect anybody to take you seriously when you cant even string a sentence together?

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I will join this argument (because it has moved beyond the realm of debating) and offer my opinion.

Kakashi is strong, with or without the mangekyou sharingan. His kamui ability is also very powerful, being a mixture of a space-time ninjutsu and a barrier ninjutsu. It has also shown that it's speed is remarkable, as many have pointed out. However, I do not think that Kakashi can get the title of the strongest character in this manga solely on that one jutsu and kyuubi chakra. So let's build a scenario to prove that.

You are claiming that Kakashi, through a combination of kyuubi chakra and his kamui, can instantly defeat any character. So in that case, let us pit him against Naruto. Kakashi is ready to fight, with his mangekyou sharingan out. Naruto is ready in his bijuu mode chakra cloak. Kakashi summons the kyuubi chakra from within himself... wait, that is something that only Naruto can give him. Kakashi, pitted against Naruto, has no means of accessing kyuubi's chakra. Naruto will move at speeds that Kakashi cannot even perceive and beat him to death. You may argue that Kakashi can teleport to the next dimension where he will be safe, but that means that he also cannot attack Naruto. Whenever he comes back, Naruto will be there waiting to beat him again. Plus, it would appear that teleporting himself to and from that next dimension is VERY taxing on Kakashi. That is Kakashi's weakness. Kakashi, even with the kyuubi chakra, was able to teleport himself back from the next dimension, teleport gyuuki (missing one of it's tails) and bring gyuuki back. In those three moves Kakashi had used up all the chakra that he could afford to put into Kamui.

As for the speed of kamui, it does not appear to get faster despite the kyuubi chakra. When he was teleporting the Naruto clone into the next dimension, Obito could clearly see the warping affect happening to the rasengan. It was not instant. Also when trying to warp the gedo mazo's head, if it was instant, he would have been able to, but Obito was once again able to see that he was trying to warp it away, and had time to stop his fight with Naruto long enough to halt the jutsu. With that said, I say that kamui is fast and very powerful, and perhaps in the hands of its original owner Obito it could have been a devastatingly over-powered move. But in the hand of Kakashi, it is not enough to make him the best.

If Kakashi's kamui is that powerful and fast, I look forward to when we are next shown the battlefield again where we are shown a defeated Obito, Madara, and ten tails. If that is NOT the case, however, then you have to accept that you are mistaken.

 

[Draphsin]

I will join this argument (because it has moved beyond the realm of debating) and offer my opinion.

Kakashi is strong, with or without the mangekyou sharingan. His kamui ability is also very powerful, being a mixture of a space-time ninjutsu and a barrier ninjutsu. It has also shown that it's speed is remarkable, as many have pointed out. However, I do not think that Kakashi can get the title of the strongest character in this manga solely on that one jutsu and kyuubi chakra. So let's build a scenario to prove that.

You are claiming that Kakashi, through a combination of kyuubi chakra and his kamui, can instantly defeat any character. So in that case, let us pit him against Naruto. Kakashi is ready to fight, with his mangekyou sharingan out. Naruto is ready in his bijuu mode chakra cloak. Kakashi summons the kyuubi chakra from within himself... wait, that is something that only Naruto can give him. Kakashi, pitted against Naruto, has no means of accessing kyuubi's chakra. Naruto will move at speeds that Kakashi cannot even perceive and beat him to death. You may argue that Kakashi can teleport to the next dimension where he will be safe, but that means that he also cannot attack Naruto. Whenever he comes back, Naruto will be there waiting to beat him again. Plus, it would appear that teleporting himself to and from that next dimension is VERY taxing on Kakashi. That is Kakashi's weakness. Kakashi, even with the kyuubi chakra, was able to teleport himself back from the next dimension, teleport gyuuki (missing one of it's tails) and bring gyuuki back. In those three moves Kakashi had used up all the chakra that he could afford to put into Kamui.

As for the speed of kamui, it does not appear to get faster despite the kyuubi chakra. When he was teleporting the Naruto clone into the next dimension, Obito could clearly see the warping affect happening to the rasengan. It was not instant. Also when trying to warp the gedo mazo's head, if it was instant, he would have been able to, but Obito was once again able to see that he was trying to warp it away, and had time to stop his fight with Naruto long enough to halt the jutsu. With that said, I say that kamui is fast and very powerful, and perhaps in the hands of its original owner Obito it could have been a devastatingly over-powered move. But in the hand of Kakashi, it is not enough to make him the best.

If Kakashi's kamui is that powerful and fast, I look forward to when we are next shown the battlefield again where we are shown a defeated Obito, Madara, and ten tails. If that is NOT the case, however, then you have to accept that you are mistaken.

+ rep :y

 

[kakashi ms]

I will join this argument (because it has moved beyond the realm of debating) and offer my opinion.

Kakashi is strong, with or without the mangekyou sharingan. His kamui ability is also very powerful, being a mixture of a space-time ninjutsu and a barrier ninjutsu. It has also shown that it's speed is remarkable, as many have pointed out. However, I do not think that Kakashi can get the title of the strongest character in this manga solely on that one jutsu and kyuubi chakra. So let's build a scenario to prove that.

You are claiming that Kakashi, through a combination of kyuubi chakra and his kamui, can instantly defeat any character. So in that case, let us pit him against Naruto. Kakashi is ready to fight, with his mangekyou sharingan out. Naruto is ready in his bijuu mode chakra cloak. Kakashi summons the kyuubi chakra from within himself... wait, that is something that only Naruto can give him. Kakashi, pitted against Naruto, has no means of accessing kyuubi's chakra. Naruto will move at speeds that Kakashi cannot even perceive and beat him to death. You may argue that Kakashi can teleport to the next dimension where he will be safe, but that means that he also cannot attack Naruto. Whenever he comes back, Naruto will be there waiting to beat him again. Plus, it would appear that teleporting himself to and from that next dimension is VERY taxing on Kakashi. That is Kakashi's weakness. Kakashi, even with the kyuubi chakra, was able to teleport himself back from the next dimension, teleport gyuuki (missing one of it's tails) and bring gyuuki back. In those three moves Kakashi had used up all the chakra that he could afford to put into Kamui.

As for the speed of kamui, it does not appear to get faster despite the kyuubi chakra. When he was teleporting the Naruto clone into the next dimension, Obito could clearly see the warping affect happening to the rasengan. It was not instant. Also when trying to warp the gedo mazo's head, if it was instant, he would have been able to, but Obito was once again able to see that he was trying to warp it away, and had time to stop his fight with Naruto long enough to halt the jutsu. With that said, I say that kamui is fast and very powerful, and perhaps in the hands of its original owner Obito it could have been a devastatingly over-powered move. But in the hand of Kakashi, it is not enough to make him the best.

If Kakashi's kamui is that powerful and fast, I look forward to when we are next shown the battlefield again where we are shown a defeated Obito, Madara, and ten tails. If that is NOT the case, however, then you have to accept that you are mistaken.

kakashi can control his kamui's speed so when we research his speed ,we should see his fastest one not as his haters want
no ,kakashi warped the rasingan as trick so he made it slower to make obito note it
obito didn't note naruto while kakashi warp him(explain that)
kakashi warped susano's arrow in no time (explain that )
itachi has 5 jutsu and they consider him the strongest
kakashi have long range kamui(strongest attack and no one can counter it)-going to the other dimension(so strong defense and with it kakashi can avoid almost all jutsu)-get out thing from the other dimension
the manga won't show kakashi beat all enemy as there are thing called co operation
and kakakhsi with current kuarma chakra can't beat them together
but he with kuarma chakra can beat obito alone
kakashi with kuarma chakra can beat the jiubi alone
kakashi with kuarma chakra almost can beat madara alone

 

[Draphsin]

no ,kakashi warped the rasingan as trick so he made it slower to make obito note it
obito didn't note naruto while kakashi warp him(explain that)
kakashi warped susano's arrow in no time (explain that )
itachi has 5 jutsu and they consider him the strongest
kakashi have long range kamui(strongest attack and no one can counter it)-going to the other dimension(so strong defense and with it kakashi can avoid almost all jutsu)-get out thing from the other dimension

Obito was looking at the rasengan

Even so, kakashi's kamui is still useless against obito as stated

Itachi has ama, tsukuyomi, susanoo, yata, totsuka, izanami, katon, shuriken jutsu, and KA..Five 1-shot jutsu's, kakashi has 1 lmao. You need more than one 1-shot jutsu to make top 10

If nobody can counter kamui then explain why obito says that it has no effect on him?

Going to the other dimension exhausts him, and even so obito would just follow him there and kill him

 

[kakashi ms]

Obito was looking at the rasengan

Even so, kakashi's kamui is still useless against obito as stated

Itachi has ama, tsukuyomi, susanoo, yata, totsuka, izanami, katon, shuriken jutsu, and KA..Five 1-shot jutsu's, kakashi has 1 lmao. You need more than one 1-shot jutsu to make top 10

If nobody can counter kamui then explain why obito says that it has no effect on him?

Going to the other dimension exhausts him, and even so obito would just follow him there and kill him

obito didn't note naruto while kakashi warp him and obito said that kakashi was so fast and he didn't say damn i was look into the rasingan
whatever kakashi warped susano arrow in no time (explain)
kakashi jutsu
1.all ranges kamui
2.going to the other dimension
3.get thing out from the other dimesnio
4.raiki
5,light chain
6.light wolf
7.light clone
8.earth wall
9.go underground
10.gates
11.water dragon
12.water explosion
13.water clone
14.smell
15.the mist
16.the dogs
17.rasingan
18.front lotas
19.sharingan
20.shadow clones
21.ginjutsu (seals)
i showed kkashi's jutsu to show you how many is kakashi's jutsu although we shouldn't take it with numbers of jutsu but with its power
madara(strongest one)hasn't one shut jutsu
obito hasn't one shut jutsu
nagato hasn't one shut jutsu even that they all is top 5/6
itachi hasn't one shut except for amatrasu
itachi hasn't KA
(note:KA's user(shisui)can use it only one time every 10 years so it is useless jutsu)
izanami is usless jutsu
1,affect only who doesn't trust himself
2.take the light of eye(if itachi used it one time he will lose susano,but two times and he will be blind(he already nearly blind)

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Ok, I will have read you points, and will offer my mine.
The first comment of Kakashi warping the rasengan first as a feint. That is an assumption, as no where did anyone comment that it was a feint. The warping of the clone itself was the feint I believe. If that is the case, why not just teleport the clone entirely in the first place, seeing as the bijuudama was going to be shot anyway, and Obito would still have to retreat to his dimension.

Obito probably did not note the clone's teleportation for two reasons. One is that he was in the process of shooting out a stake and did not think that it would matter. Another possible reason is that he did not even consider the warping of the clone as a tactic (hence his surprise in seeing him in the other dimension. But, as we do not know what either of them was thinking, that becomes a useless point.

Kakashi warping Sasuke's arrows is easy to explain. It was never said that the arrows were instant moves. They need to be shot, and as once they are released their trajectory is simple (a straight line) they can be tracked and teleported. Kabuto also dodged a susanoo arrow. Kakashi's kamui involves him tracking the trajectory (or simply being able to see what he is trying to teleport) and initiating the barrier technique, which then uses the space-time aspect to warp it away. I believe I explained that.

I never stated that Itachi was the strongest, and I am SURE that Itachi has more than 5 jutsu.

Kakashi indeed uses kamui as a long range technique. Saying it is the strongest attack is a bit much, though. If we are talking about strong in terms of potential for large scale destruction, there is nothing even close to a bijuudama. In terms of it being a "so strong defense," it is not a reliable defense. You are speaking as if Kakashi is able to warp himself to and from the other dimension at his own will, continuously. That is not true. Just bringing himself back was taxing to his stamina. To the point that Naruto had to defend him from Obito's counter attack. I am going to offer that Kakashi can perhaps use that ability on himself roughly 6 times (remember, going one way alone costs a lot of chakra, so going in three times and coming out 3 times is the limit that I am giving him.)

These are my points.

 

[kakashi ms]

Ok, I will have read you points, and will offer my mine.
The first comment of Kakashi warping the rasengan first as a feint. That is an assumption, as no where did anyone comment that it was a feint. The warping of the clone itself was the feint I believe. If that is the case, why not just teleport the clone entirely in the first place, seeing as the bijuudama was going to be shot anyway, and Obito would still have to retreat to his dimension.

Obito probably did not note the clone's teleportation for two reasons. One is that he was in the process of shooting out a stake and did not think that it would matter. Another possible reason is that he did not even consider the warping of the clone as a tactic (hence his surprise in seeing him in the other dimension. But, as we do not know what either of them was thinking, that becomes a useless point.

Kakashi warping Sasuke's arrows is easy to explain. It was never said that the arrows were instant moves. They need to be shot, and as once they are released their trajectory is simple (a straight line) they can be tracked and teleported. Kabuto also dodged a susanoo arrow. Kakashi's kamui involves him tracking the trajectory (or simply being able to see what he is trying to teleport) and initiating the barrier technique, which then uses the space-time aspect to warp it away. I believe I explained that.

I never stated that Itachi was the strongest, and I am SURE that Itachi has more than 5 jutsu.

Kakashi indeed uses kamui as a long range technique. Saying it is the strongest attack is a bit much, though. If we are talking about strong in terms of potential for large scale destruction, there is nothing even close to a bijuudama. In terms of it being a "so strong defense," it is not a reliable defense. You are speaking as if Kakashi is able to warp himself to and from the other dimension at his own will, continuously. That is not true. Just bringing himself back was taxing to his stamina. To the point that Naruto had to defend him from Obito's counter attack. I am going to offer that Kakashi can perhaps use that ability on himself roughly 6 times (remember, going one way alone costs a lot of chakra, so going in three times and coming out 3 times is the limit that I am giving him.)

These are my points.

after your all post
obito still didn't note naruto while kakashi warp him(you didn't explain anything the manga showed that kakashi's speed was above sharingan's note)
kakashi warped susano arrow in no time
susano arrow take less than second to reach kakashi
kakashi started warping it after it was so close to him that mean that kakashi warped susano's arrwo in nearly no time although susano's arrow is so fast and bigger than human
the attack power not its destruction but with its affect and speed
no one can counter kakashi's long range kamui (dosn't move but appear,doesn't take time but instant)
kakashi's kamui affect all defenses
but there are people can counter TTB
kakashi was able to warp himself to go out from the other dimension so he can warp himself to go to the other dimension(the same thing)
it is as you say kakashi can make raiki in his right hand but he can't make it in his left hand although it is the same thing

 

[-Phoënix Flower-]

He is ONE of the strongest...not THE strongest :|

 

[Draphsin]

obito didn't note naruto while kakashi warp him and obito said that kakashi was so fast and he didn't say damn i was look into the rasingan

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obito says that kakashi warped the shadow clone instead of the rasengan meaning that he thought the rasengan vanished meaning that he was looking at the rasengan and not the clone.....proven wrong

whatever kakashi warped susano arrow in no time (explain)

I dont have to explain. If obito says that kakashi's high speed kamui has no effect on him, then that means kakashi wont be fast enough to hit obito with kamui meaning obito>kakashi

kakashi jutsu
1.all ranges kamui
2.going to the other dimension
3.get thing out from the other dimesnio
(1, 2, and 3 are the same jutsu :sy: )
4.raiki
5,light chain
6.light wolf
7.light clone
8.earth wall
9.go underground
10.gates
11.water dragon
12.water explosion
13.water clone
14.smell
15.the mist
16.the dogs
17.rasingan
18.front lotas
19.sharingan
20.shadow clones
21.ginjutsu (seals)
i showed kkashi's jutsu to show you how many is kakashi's jutsu although we shouldn't take it with numbers of jutsu but with its power

Exactly....so if we go by power of a jutsu then we have kakashi with his one 1-shot jutsu (kamui), and we have itachi who has FIVE 1-shot jutsus.. so like you said if we go by power of jutsu then Itachi>kakashi because he has more 1 shot jutsus

1. madara hasn't one shut jutsu (human path, preta path, meteors, PS, flower tree world)
2. obito hasn't one shut jutsu (kamui, gedo mazou, perfect izagani, combined tbbs)
3. nagato hasn't one shut jutsu even that they all is top 5/6 (CBT, human path, preta path chou shinra tensei, bansho tenin)
4. itachi hasn't one shut except for amatrasu (tsukuyomi, sword of totsuka, izanami)

5. itachi hasn't KA (yes he does...and if were not comparing edo itachi then alive itachi does have KA

KA's user(shisui)can use it only one time every 10 years so it is useless jutsu (regardless if he has it or not, or if its useless itachi still has more than ONE 1-shot jutsu)