Current Kakashi is still Kage level

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Title says it all. I believe Base Kakashi is incredibly underrated, something totally contradicting with the manga and i'll explain why U_U

First of all, in part1 Itachi rated Kakashi to be on a similar level as Kisame. I don't have the viz scan(if anyone has it, it would be fine), but here is the translated script that you can find in the viz translation section and this is what he says to Kisame

Viz said:
Itachi: If you spar with him head-on, you won't get away scot-free... And if you take too much time, you'll give other shinobi a chance to arrive.

Kisame: But...

Itachi: Do not forget our purpose... You did not come here to suffer injuries!

Like you can see, according to Itachi, part1 Kakashi was a threat to Kisame. He left Kisame fight the likes of Asuma or Kurenai without warnings, but when Kakashi came, he did warn him to avoid injuries

And we talk about a Kakashi who was out of shape in part1

This is further confirmed when Tsunade despite knowing Kakashi actually fought Itachi(the murderer of entire Uchiha clan), plus another S-Rank shinobi was surprised he actually lost [ ]

Besides, in shippuden at some point Tsunade herself even admitted Kakashi was better for the post(with Jiraya approving)

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Even the elders and suna supported him for the post

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Kamui was not well-known at that point and even til now, not everyone know that jutsu, so it kinda shows that base Kakashi is actually a Hokage level candidate

Only reason Tsunade was even Hokage is because age is a great critera in the Hokage post. We've seen the council member hesitating to give him the post simply because he was too young

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Plus, Kakashi himself said he was never interested to begin with

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In latest chapter we've even the difference in intelligence, reaction speed and usage of ninja tools between Kakashi and Sakura(who is considered to be Tsunade's level by some) in a short amount of time saving her, himself and Obito

Quick thinking

- The dude was just teleported to a new location, yet he was already capable to distinguish reality and illusion



Quick to act

- Not only he distinguish reality with illusion in nanoseconds, but he was also quick to act in such a tight situation

1- Summon a scroll
2- Ties it to one kunai to use it as a rope
3- Pin it to the rock above, saving himself and Sakura
4- Use another kunai to pin Obito on another rock saving his life




In part1, he was already the number1 technician of Konoha and that's when Hiruzen was still alive

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So in terms of ninjutsu, he was put above a Hokage level like Hiruzen

Some say he weakened a lot due to losing his Sharingan, but it's only partially correct. Let's look it concretly

What does he really lose by not having his Sharingan anymore? He already have more than thousand techniques in his arsenal. It's part of his arsenal and will never go away Sharingan or not

The only thing relevant that he loses is the Sharingan precognition, but with his great usage of clones decepting even other geniuses, he can easily make up for it

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All his ninjutsu, taijutsu, intelligence, skills remain intact. Not to mention that without Sharingan draining his chakra, he would actually have more stamina to spam techniques and last longer in fights.

Considering with Sharingan he was capable to refine his chakra to the point of fighting 2 days long in wars, it will be particularly interesting to watch

Hope you enjoy reading U_U
 

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Sharingan granted more than Kamui. Part 1 Kakashi was still a sharingan user.
 

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I don't think so. Shairgan gave him a lot of power.
 

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I agree with you, but others for some reason think Sharingan gave him his strength, speed and skill. All it did was allow him to copy techs and predict movements, prior to kamui anyway. He's still very powerful without it.
 

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The only thing, Sharingan gave him is: It's reading movements, Genjutsu, and Kamui. Even without it, he one-shotted Sakura, someone who countered an A-rank Genjutsu easily. He showed he can decipher a Genjutsu without it, as you showed. Besides that, he maintains Chidori, it's variants, and elements. This is not even factorizing, Kakashi's genius that rose through ranks at a very young age.

Great work, T Bogard.​
 

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I don't think so. Shairgan gave him a lot of power.
It let him predict movements and copy techs.

All of the techs he needs are already copied and he is still a very fast shinobi without it.
 

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base sharingan has become fodder the problem is him losing kamui, and even then hes still highly capable so I agree with you
 

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Thanks man :cool:
I agree. Well done.
You're welcome :)

I agree with you, but others for some reason think Sharingan gave him his strength, speed and skill. All it did was allow him to copy techs and predict movements, prior to kamui anyway. He's still very powerful without it.
Indeed. What people forget is that Sharingan is only useful to react quicker than usual, but Kakashi's base stats were already extraordinary to begin with
 

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Kakashi is very skilled yes.
 

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Sharingan gave him most of his power kakashi could not perfectly control his chakra until he got the sharingan.. Prolly cant use copied jutsu anymore... Hes not kage level just elite jonin.
 

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The only thing, Sharingan gave him is: It's reading movements, Genjutsu, and Kamui. Even without it, he one-shotted Sakura, someone who countered an A-rank Genjutsu easily. He showed he can decipher a Genjutsu without it, as you showed. Besides that, he maintains Chidori, it's variants, and elements. This is not even factorizing, Kakashi's genius that rose through ranks at a very young age.

Great work, T Bogard.​
Indeed. He already has the amount of techniques necessary. No need to copy again. I didn't count genjutsu as an advantage because he can use them even without Sharingan and even rapidely recognise them(latest chapter proved that). And like i've said the precognition isn't that great of a problem to replace. With his speed, combined with his skills in using clones, he can easily make up for it :)
 

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Indeed. He already has the amount of techniques necessary. No need to copy again. I didn't count genjutsu as an advantage because he can use them even without Sharingan and even rapidely recognise them(latest chapter proved that). And like i've said the precognition isn't that great of a problem to replace. With his speed, combined with his skills in using clones, he can easily make up for it :)

His speed combined with clones fooled Itachi and Pain. That pretty much covers Sharingan's advantages. Unfortunately, I have to spread reps around before giving you for this wonderful thread.​
 

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Zabuza shat on sharinganless kakashi.:|
 
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