[Discussion] Curiosity

[Mr Hiru]

Everybody is talking about Sharingan (Mirror Wheel Eye), Rinnegan (Samsara Eye)... sometimes about Byakugan (White Eye)...

But it seems like people is getting tired of the most used jutsu in the whole series... the Rasengan

I wanted to point out the literal translation of the Rasengan... It means "Spiral Sphere". But the suffix 'gan' is mostly used for "Eyes" in the series. Guess who has these "Spiral Eyes"...

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This is just a curiosity, maybe a coincidence, or maybe a relationship between the Uzumaki Clan and the Elder Son's Branch.

 

[Kirin Rei]

Nah. They have nothing to do with each other. They're just phonetically similar.

The kanji used for the ''gan'' part of the Rinnegan, Sharingan and the Byakugan is 眼 and it means, quite obviously, eye and/or pupil of the eye. The On reading of the kanji is gan.

On the other hand, the kanji for ''gan'' in Rasengan is 丸 and it means circle/circular. It's Goon reading is gan.

Another similar example from Naruto are the kanjis 白 and 百. One means white and the other means one hundred. But they can both be read as byaku in their respective Goon and On readings.

The way it's read does not change the meaning of a kanji.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Nah. They have nothing to do with each other. They're just phonetically similar.

The kanji used for the ''gan'' part of the Rinnegan, Sharingan and the Byakugan is 眼 and it means, quite obviously, eye and/or pupil of the eye. The On reading of the kanji is gan.

On the other hand, the kanji for ''gan'' in Rasengan is 丸 and it means circle/circular. It's Goon reading is gan.

Another similar example from Naruto are the kanjis 白 and 百. One means white and the other means one hundred. But they can both be read as byaku in their respective Goon and On readings.

The way it's read does not change the meaning of a kanji.

Took this in consideration when I was searching for the jutsus, I forgot to point it out, many thanks for that. But I was pretty curious (japanese people likes to play with phonetically similar words), and one thing brings you to the other... It is pretty curious nonetheless.

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

Well, this thread is going to have a short life-span thanks to Kirin Rei. *chuckles*
Although, it's better to have questions that are raised directly answered in a precise and concise manner, rather than having to page through endless babble and nonsense.

Aside from similar phonetics, the similarity in the spiral designs is currently left without contention.
I'd say that the number of total spirals in each design may account for some difference.


As shown in the following links, the number of spirals can be seen more clearly in a polar coordinate system:

The Uchiha Clan Ancestor's Doujutsu Pattern has three complete spirals from zero to 6*Pi radians.

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The Uzumaki Clan symbol has two complete spirals from zero to 4*Pi radians.

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[Thorium]

Nah. They have nothing to do with each other. They're just phonetically similar.

The kanji used for the ''gan'' part of the Rinnegan, Sharingan and the Byakugan is 眼 and it means, quite obviously, eye and/or pupil of the eye. The On reading of the kanji is gan.

On the other hand, the kanji for ''gan'' in Rasengan is 丸 and it means circle/circular. It's Goon reading is gan.

Another similar example from Naruto are the kanjis 白 and 百. One means white and the other means one hundred. But they can both be read as byaku in their respective Goon and On readings.

The way it's read does not change the meaning of a kanji.

Damn. I bet you make sandwiches really fast.

 

[Jako98146]

I'd say coincidence

 

[Mr Hiru]

Well, this thread is going to have a short life-span thanks to Kirin Rei. *chuckles*
Although, it's better to have questions that are raised directly answered in a precise and concise manner, rather than having to page through endless babble and nonsense.

Aside from similar phonetics, the similarity in the spiral designs is currently left without contention.
I'd say that the number of total spirals in each design may account for some difference.


As shown in the following links, the number of spirals can be seen more clearly in a polar coordinate system:

The Uchiha Clan Ancestor's Doujutsu Pattern has three complete spirals from zero to 6*Pi radians.

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The Uzumaki Clan symbol has two complete spirals from zero to 4*Pi radians.

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Now people will run, you used Wolfram Alpha Mathematica hahahaha XDDDD nice going btw, I haven't used this software for a while, since I already beaten Maths.

I remember this is something that was already pointed on other topic... But I'm talking about the symbolic term.

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

Now people will run, you used Wolfram Alpha Mathematica hahahaha XDDDD nice going btw, I haven't used this software for a while, since I already beaten Maths.

I remember this is something that was already pointed on other topic... But I'm talking about the symbolic term.

No one has ever beaten Maths. The Maths is unbeatable. There are many unsolved problems and unexplained patterns that exist and always will. The more you learn, the more you realize we, as the human race, don't know about the universe.... and even the NarutoVerse for that matter. I've had a professor in a PDE's course propose an unsolvable problem two semesters ago which thoroughly blew my mind.

...but I know what you meant.

Anyways, what do you mean by the symbolic term? Are you merely relating the words and nothing else, then?

 

[Mr Hiru]

No one has ever beaten Maths. The Maths is unbeatable. There are many unsolved problems and unexplained patterns that exist and always will. The more you learn, the more you realize we, as the human race, don't know about the universe.... and even the NarutoVerse for that matter. I've had a professor in a PDE's course propose an unsolvable problem two semesters ago which thoroughly blew my mind.

...but I know what you meant.

Anyways, what do you mean by the symbolic term? Are you merely relating the words and nothing else, then?

The "Spiral".

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

Hmm. Well...
do you recall this particualr theory by Sir Derp Obito where he posted the Naruto Whirlpools?

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I may be grasping at straws here, but the Uzumaki's were from the "Land of Eddies," and if Rikudō Sennin was indeed an Uzumaki, then the eyes would probably have some symbolism where the connection therein lies with the Uzumaki heritage displayed in the Older Son's Dōjutsu.
Hence, the spiral could simply be a reference to the whirlpools.