[Discussion] Crocodile vs Enel

[Hexuze]

Not sure if this has been done before but yeah. Who do you guys think will win? I say Enel cause he has haki but to make it fair let's assume they both have haki. I still say enel lol.

 

[Kettei]

I dont know if Lightning effects Sand but Enel because of speed.

 

[FireBird Marco]

Enel has Mantra and high level of observation haki, he'd destroy Crocs, no diff!

 

[GenKiDama]

enel wins, he got trolled big time with his fight.

 

[Pein67]

Enel is one of the strongest of One piece, He's largelly on emperor level.I think he's above Caesar so Crocodile stand no chance.

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

Even without Haki, Enel wins. Sand can be heated up and made into glass. Enel turns Crocodile into glass and shatters him.

 

[Naruto D Luffy]

Crocodile will win of course

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

neither can hit the other , for the science: crocodile would be made into glass

 

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Doffy (a Top TIER) was so scared of Croc that he asked him to form an alliance. So Croc eviscerates Enel

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[GofOfNothing]

The heat of the Lightning will "glaze" the sand.
But who knows? The thing is that even against Luffy the normal physical laws never occurred.
Normally Enel would be able to melt Luffy (Rubber) because of the heat. But it never happened.

 

[ziggyZ]

Even without Haki, Enel wins. Sand can be heated up and made into glass. Enel turns Crocodile into glass and shatters him.

Are you applying RL logic into the OP world? So I guess that means Kizaru truly kicks at the speed of light and just holds back since he should his kicks should literally vaporize anything it came in contact with. Or that he could exterminate the entire OP world in seconds.

 

[Fujitora]

They are both logia, so STALEMATE.

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

I was going to leave your comments alone but since you were so nice to quote me, I guess I'll have to show why Enel > Crocodile.

Are you applying RL logic into the OP world? So I guess that means Kizaru truly kicks at the speed of light and just holds back since he should his kicks should literally vaporize anything it came in contact with. Or that he could exterminate the entire OP world in seconds.

I like how you are trying to use the one blatant hyperbole to back up your claim of real life logic in the One Piece world.
Of course other people with logia powers have been shown to follow the real worlds logic. Ace melted Aokiji's ice because fire can melt ice.. Akainu also melted Aokiji's ice because it is also hot. Ace burned Black Beard because fire burns. Monet is cold. Smoker and Caesar both follow the properties of a gas. Every other Logia follows the properties of the real world(minus Kizaru but I'll get to him later), why are you trying to claim Enel wouldn't when the others do.

Enel's lightning attack showed people smoldering after being attacked showing the attack had heat. Crocodile is made of sand. Sand heated up to high degrees makes sand turn into glass. Crocodile was shown to be hurt when he had to solidify, via water turning him into a solid. Glass is also a solid. Therefore, Enel can hurt him when Crocodile gets his ass turned to glass.

Now about Kizaru. The way I see it is Kizaru does more at the speed of light, but only when using attacks like his Yata no Kagami. When he rematerializes, he then is normal speed. Just like Enel, when they use a technique that allows them to move from one place to another, they are that speed. Enel is the speed of lightning, and Kizaru is the speed of light. No way is his combat speed the speed of light, so saying things like "his kicks should literally vaporize anything it came in contact with. Or that he could exterminate the entire OP world in seconds" is not even possible.



Of course I was just showing how Enel could win without haki. I don't even understand how people can say Crocodile could even win with no way to hit Enel. At best it is a stalemate, at worse it is Enel winning due to being turned to glass. Since this fight is with haki, Crocodile actually has a chance because he could hit him(if he is fast enough).

Enel has the best shown feats of Mantra(CoO haki) in the manga. He was able to sense what everyone could do on the island and cast judgement to those who speak bad about him from one place. He is also one of the fastest in the manga. With the ability to know when an attack is coming and the reaction speed to dodge, there is no way Crocodile could land any attack. If Enel keeps his distance, because most of Crocodiles attacks are mid range, he could win easy.

Doffy (a Top TIER) was so scared of Croc that he asked him to form an alliance. So Croc eviscerates Enel

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So......using a character who has only seen one of the two characters is a plausible way to compare characters? Crocodile was a Shichibukai so of course "Doffy"(a stupid nick name imo) is going to 1. Know about his power, and 2. know if he would be a good person to ask for an alliance since he would know Crocodiles personality. Donflamingo was not as scared as you claim him to be. With his crazy ass personality, do you honestly think Donflamingo was really scared? More like he was trying to convince Crocodile to join him because Don could use him.

What do you think would have happened if Donflamingo met Enel. I bet the same thing would have happened with Enel. Saying Crocodile wins because "Doffy" never met the other person in this debate, and because he was only "scared" of that one person he met is a stupid argument.

If you want to debate properly, show how Crocodile can win. Don't use fanboysim statements and make that your proof.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Defintiely, croco-boy because :

- if they both have haki, there is a chance for both winning. Its just a matter of who can faster.
- if enel was such a big shot why didnt he go the new world?
- crocodile was thrown on level 6, as he was seen as quite dangerous. Only dangerous people got there. I srsly doubt, enel would've been taken to L6, he probably be on level 5

Sir Crocodile > Enel

 

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I was going to leave your comments alone but since you were so nice to quote me, I guess I'll have to show why Enel > Crocodile.




I like how you are trying to use the one blatant hyperbole to back up your claim of real life logic in the One Piece world.
Of course other people with logia powers have been shown to follow the real worlds logic. Ace melted Aokiji's ice because fire can melt ice.. Akainu also melted Aokiji's ice because it is also hot. Ace burned Black Beard because fire burns. Monet is cold. Smoker and Caesar both follow the properties of a gas. Every other Logia follows the properties of the real world(minus Kizaru but I'll get to him later), why are you trying to claim Enel wouldn't when the others do.

Enel's lightning attack showed people smoldering after being attacked showing the attack had heat. Crocodile is made of sand. Sand heated up to high degrees makes sand turn into glass. Crocodile was shown to be hurt when he had to solidify, via water turning him into a solid. Glass is also a solid. Therefore, Enel can hurt him when Crocodile gets his ass turned to glass.

Now about Kizaru. The way I see it is Kizaru does more at the speed of light, but only when using attacks like his Yata no Kagami. When he rematerializes, he then is normal speed. Just like Enel, when they use a technique that allows them to move from one place to another, they are that speed. Enel is the speed of lightning, and Kizaru is the speed of light. No way is his combat speed the speed of light, so saying things like "his kicks should literally vaporize anything it came in contact with. Or that he could exterminate the entire OP world in seconds" is not even possible.



Of course I was just showing how Enel could win without haki. I don't even understand how people can say Crocodile could even win with no way to hit Enel. At best it is a stalemate, at worse it is Enel winning due to being turned to glass. Since this fight is with haki, Crocodile actually has a chance because he could hit him(if he is fast enough).

Enel has the best shown feats of Mantra(CoO haki) in the manga. He was able to sense what everyone could do on the island and cast judgement to those who speak bad about him from one place. He is also one of the fastest in the manga. With the ability to know when an attack is coming and the reaction speed to dodge, there is no way Crocodile could land any attack. If Enel keeps his distance, because most of Crocodiles attacks are mid range, he could win easy.






So......using a character who has only seen one of the two characters is a plausible way to compare characters? Crocodile was a Shichibukai so of course "Doffy"(a stupid nick name imo) is going to 1. Know about his power, and 2. know if he would be a good person to ask for an alliance since he would know Crocodiles personality. Donflamingo was not as scared as you claim him to be. With his crazy ass personality, do you honestly think Donflamingo was really scared? More like he was trying to convince Crocodile to join him because Don could use him.

What do you think would have happened if Donflamingo met Enel. I bet the same thing would have happened with Enel. Saying Crocodile wins because "Doffy" never met the other person in this debate, and because he was only "scared" of that one person he met is a stupid argument.

If you want to debate properly, show how Crocodile can win. Don't use fanboysim statements and make that your proof.

Well if Enels lightning expresses heat how come it didn't melt Luffy's rubber body?

As for proof. How about this. The "Worlds strongest man" (WSM) needed Luffy to protect him when Croc came in for the kill.

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

Well if Enels lightning expresses heat how come it didn't melt Luffy's rubber body?

As for proof. How about this. The "Worlds strongest man" (WSM) needed Luffy to protect him when Croc came in for the kill.

Enels attacks do have heat.

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That is Luffy rolling around saying its hot. The gold was melted and formed into a ball. It would be an amazing feat to see if that was done with lightning and no heat.

2nd point.
WB has CoO Haki. He knew what Luffy would do, so he didn't have to react. Why waste energy when you know you will be ok.

Notice how WB doesn't even show any expression of being caught off guard.

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I can use crappy logic too.

Crocodiles bounty was 81 million. In the SBS with Oda, he stated if Enel was to be a real pirate, he would have a bounty of over 500 million.

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D: Question!! If God Enel were to descend to the Blue Sea, how much would his bounty be? Also, what would happen if he did that? Would he rule the Blue Sea? P.N. Gorozoro
O: I see. Interesting question. Knowing how tricky he would be to beat, I'd imagine he could reach as much as 500,000,000 Beli. Luffy was lucky to be rubber. But like Luffy said, there all sorts of even crazier guys down on the Blue Sea. Enel would NOT rule it.

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500 million > 81 million

Enel wins.

 

[BazzBee]

Enel because of his speed.....

 

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Enels attacks do have heat.

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That is Luffy rolling around saying its hot. The gold was melted and formed into a ball. It would be an amazing feat to see if that was done with lightning and no heat.

2nd point.
WB has CoO Haki. He knew what Luffy would do, so he didn't have to react. Why waste energy when you know you will be ok.

Notice how WB doesn't even show any expression of being caught off guard.

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I can use crappy logic too.

Crocodiles bounty was 81 million. In the SBS with Oda, he stated if Enel was to be a real pirate, he would have a bounty of over 500 million.

Spoiler

D: Question!! If God Enel were to descend to the Blue Sea, how much would his bounty be? Also, what would happen if he did that? Would he rule the Blue Sea? P.N. Gorozoro
O: I see. Interesting question. Knowing how tricky he would be to beat, I'd imagine he could reach as much as 500,000,000 Beli. Luffy was lucky to be rubber. But like Luffy said, there all sorts of even crazier guys down on the Blue Sea. Enel would NOT rule it.

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500 million > 81 million

Enel wins.

You still didn't explain why Luffy didn't melt.


And I'll use your logic. Bellamy>Zoro due to bounties. Arlong>Chopper due to bounties.

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

You still didn't explain why Luffy didn't melt.


And I'll use your logic. Bellamy>Zoro due to bounties. Arlong>Chopper due to bounties.

Ya, its 2:30AM here. I forget a lot when its this late. Luffy was shown to be affected by heat. If the heat was taken out of the lightning element like it was with the gold ball, enough heat could more then likely melt Luffy. I'm guessing it didn't was because of the heat was with the lightning and because Luffy was Enel's natural enemy, it didn't affect Luffy. That and PIS(plot induced stupidity). It would be a crappy story if Luffy just melted after one attack from Enel. Most main characters are protected with PIS and CIS(character induced stupidity).

you know a better debate then this one currently, which fight had more PIS and CIS going for them. Luffy vs Crocodile or Luffy vs Enel.


And damn those marines for not putting the right bounties for those characters. They make so many mistakes. I mean how dare they mistake chopper for a pet, and how dare Zoro take a 2 year break and not become more wanted. I mean he let Bellamy pass him up of all people. Those marines should have known Zoro was still alive and should have anticipated his bounty for when he returned. Although, Oda did say himself Enels bounty was 500 mil, so he must be pretty strong. I mean that is just under Ace. (After Bellamy gets more feats, do Bellamy vs Enel. It will be fun.)

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Defintiely, croco-boy because :

- if they both have haki, there is a chance for both winning. Its just a matter of who can faster.
- if enel was such a big shot why didnt he go the new world?
- crocodile was thrown on level 6, as he was seen as quite dangerous. Only dangerous people got there. I srsly doubt, enel would've been taken to L6, he probably be on level 5

Sir Crocodile > Enel

Enel has Haki (Kenboshoku)
Eneru didn't know much about the blue sea , so he probably wasn't aware of the New World , he wanted to go to fairy vearth where he thought would be the perfect place for a god.
Goro Goro No Mi seems to be the most destructive Logia Fruit (more than Pika Pika No Mi) , he is of course a threat and would easily be put on level 6 , Oda said if Enel where to have a bounty it would exceed 500 million