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Seems to be making a comeback recently, anyone here believe in creationism? There was just a thread in the naruto forum that got deleted so I want to see what people here in the discussion forum think.
 

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I really am against bringing relion to this forum, and yes I am religious, but believing the earth was created in 6 24hr days is illogical
 

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What if I told you that creationism is a very advance science taught to ancient civilizations and things that arent explained was considered magic.

Bacterias were not known until a century ago.
So if we consider that fact.
Man came from dust, meaning atoms. And returns into dust when he dies, decomposes into microorganisms and particles to be recycled.

The person who came up with the Big Bang theory was a priest/bishop.

Please do not take the bible too literal like ignorant religious and athiest people
 

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I believe in creationism, I'm a Christian. But I don't believe our timeline is the same as it is for God... I also love science and believe it's a way of explaining God's works. Soooo, like Shiro said, 6, 24hr days doesn't make sense to me either... I just let His ways remain higher than our ways, His thoughts higher than ours.
 

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What if I told you that creationism is a very advance science taught to ancient civilizations and things that arent explained was considered magic.

Bacterias were not known until a century ago.
So if we consider that fact.
Man came from dust, meaning atoms. And returns into dust when he dies, decomposes into microorganisms and particles to be recycled.

The person who came up with the Big Bang theory was a priest/bishop.

Please do not take the bible too literal like ignorant religious and athiest people

^^^ interesting. I think we make the bible too complicated a lot of the times... It's not easy, but it's simple.
 

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Seems to be making a comeback recently, anyone here believe in creationism? There was just a thread in the naruto forum that got deleted so I want to see what people here in the discussion forum think.

Well let me warn you. Many people are just so close minded here, or immature or both, that you cannot have a decent discussion about topics like these. So this thread could get out of hand.

I really am against bringing relion to this forum, and yes I am religious, but believing the earth was created in 6 24hr days is illogical

Who says that you need to be religious to believe in creationalism? You could simply believe that the universe or world was created by a higher form of life, or a being that ascended to another dimmension. Etc.

If you are religious, then believing the world was created in 6 24 hour days, is not illogical.


Now to address my thoughts.
I firmly believe in intelligent design. I believe God created the universe.
I am not sure however about whether I believe evolution is part of intelligent design. Or that the world was created in 6 days.

I believe Micro evolution(ie animals changing minor characteristics to adapt to the environment(such as a species of animal growing a thick coat of fur in a cold environment). But it remains the same species.

I find there are a lot of holes in the theory of macro evolution. That is to say a fish can evolve into a mammal over time, or that a animal can suddenly develop a new organ that benefits them through mutations. I am opposed to this because so far we have not found any evidence of a halfway developed organ. And so far there have not ever been useful organs that have occured through mutation(as in a primitive dolphin species suddenly has a organ for echolocation through a mutation). So far in humans alone, there are just so few people who have any kind of useful mutations. Most are mutations that actually cause harmful effects.

As for the universe being created in 6 days, I do not have a answer. Perhaps it was 6 days, perhaps the "days" are actually millions of years.


The scientific reasons why I believe in creationalism, is because there are just how complex everything is. How orderly this universe is.
I look at biology and chemistry, and just see how complex everything is and how it works together.

I would venture to guess that if you were to make a statistic probability of all this happening, it would be comparable to the earth naturally causing metals and things to all work together to create a computer, and for the electrons to assemble themselves to form a operating system. Or someone winning the lottery consecutively for 50 years in a row.


In closeing, I just want to say this. Whether you think I am just spouting BS or not, you are lying to yourself if you think humanity has even come close to understanding everything about the universe, biology, physics, climate etc.
 

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I really am against bringing relion to this forum, and yes I am religious, but believing the earth was created in 6 24hr days is illogical

Where in the bible does it say the Earth was created in 6 24 hour periods? A day to god could be a billion years to man.
 

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Where in the bible does it say the Earth was created in 6 24 hour periods? A day to god could be a billion years to man.

Chapter 13, near the end. It was a huge twist out of nowhere and changed the themes and made everything feel just sad. It downgraded the book as a whole. One of the many things near the end really. For some reason though, people LOVED it. "STORY IS EVOLVING" "WHY U EVEN READ IF U DONT EVEN LIKE IT?" "SUPER AMAZING EPIC PLOT TWIST OR PREDICABLE ENDING?"
 

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Chapter 13, near the end. It was a huge twist out of nowhere and changed the themes and made everything feel just sad. It downgraded the book as a whole. One of the many things near the end really. For some reason though, people LOVED it. "STORY IS EVOLVING" "WHY U EVEN READ IF U DONT EVEN LIKE IT?" "SUPER AMAZING EPIC PLOT TWIST OR PREDICABLE ENDING?"
Are you talking about Revelation? And how God comes back as a destroyer? He only does that because it has to happen
 
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Well let me warn you. Many people are just so close minded here, or immature or both, that you cannot have a decent discussion about topics like these. So this thread could get out of hand.



Who says that you need to be religious to believe in creationalism? You could simply believe that the universe or world was created by a higher form of life, or a being that ascended to another dimmension. Etc.

If you are religious, then believing the world was created in 6 24 hour days, is not illogical.


Now to address my thoughts.
I firmly believe in intelligent design. I believe God created the universe.
I am not sure however about whether I believe evolution is part of intelligent design. Or that the world was created in 6 days.

I believe Micro evolution(ie animals changing minor characteristics to adapt to the environment(such as a species of animal growing a thick coat of fur in a cold environment). But it remains the same species.

I find there are a lot of holes in the theory of macro evolution. That is to say a fish can evolve into a mammal over time, or that a animal can suddenly develop a new organ that benefits them through mutations. I am opposed to this because so far we have not found any evidence of a halfway developed organ. And so far there have not ever been useful organs that have occured through mutation(as in a primitive dolphin species suddenly has a organ for echolocation through a mutation). So far in humans alone, there are just so few people who have any kind of useful mutations. Most are mutations that actually cause harmful effects.

As for the universe being created in 6 days, I do not have a answer. Perhaps it was 6 days, perhaps the "days" are actually millions of years.


The scientific reasons why I believe in creationalism, is because there are just how complex everything is. How orderly this universe is.
I look at biology and chemistry, and just see how complex everything is and how it works together.

I would venture to guess that if you were to make a statistic probability of all this happening, it would be comparable to the earth naturally causing metals and things to all work together to create a computer, and for the electrons to assemble themselves to form a operating system. Or someone winning the lottery consecutively for 50 years in a row.


In closeing, I just want to say this. Whether you think I am just spouting BS or not, you are lying to yourself if you think humanity has even come close to understanding everything about the universe, biology, physics, climate etc.


There is nothing random about it when you understand the math.

As far as intelligent design, there is nothing intelligent about our design! Lol. We eat and breath through the same hole so hundreds of thousands of healthy intelligent people die every year for no reason! Even dolphins don't eat and breath through the same hole. If we were designed intelligently our design would be a lot more intelligent.

"Days" is pretty clear in the bible. You're either with it or against it. The problem with your theory is that you're basically saving god by using him as a convenient explanation for the ever receding list of things we still can't fully explain. So what is the point? It's already to the point where anyone with any education that wants to believe in god creating the earth has to except the fact that the word of god and bible is completely inaccurate, then rewrite your own version of it in your head.

As for micro evolution, but not macro evolution. This is just pure ignorance. There is only one evolution. It's not like xmen in nature, all those minor adaptations/mutations add up and and create new species. You're just thinking on a timeline you can understand. A few hundred to a few thousand years. Think about those same adaptations over hundreds of millions of years!! That is what turns fish into mammals. You can't see it unless you look at the whole timeline. Then it is undeniable:




Also I have no idea where you're getting these statistics from but they make no sense and in no way relate to the probability of evolution.


I agree with your last point. We have tons to learn, but you're arguing over things we do know. And for the things we don't know. That is just it. We don't know. It could be anything. Ihopefully we continue to chip away at the secrets of the universe.
 
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You should read Cosmic Jackpot. Really puts into perspective just how unlikely the universe supporting life is.

Stephen Hawking also described it well: "If the rate of expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present size."

"The initial state of the universe must have been very carefully chosen indeed if the hot big bang model was correct right back to the beginning of time. It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings just like us."
 

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You should read Cosmic Jackpot. Really puts into perspective just how unlikely the universe supporting life is.

Stephen Hawking also described it well: "If the rate of expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present size."

"The initial state of the universe must have been very carefully chosen indeed if the hot big bang model was correct right back to the beginning of time. It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings just like us."
Oh so god intended us to have illnesses, to be greedy and destructive, to die and suffer. What a great design.
 

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Oh so god intended us to have illnesses, to be greedy and destructive, to die and suffer. What a great design.

What is health without disease? Greed without generosity? Destruction without peace? Death without life?

You don't understand the value of good if you don't know bad. Simple concept.
 

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What is health without disease? Greed without generosity? Destruction without peace? Death without life?

You don't understand the value of good if you don't know bad. Simple concept.

Oh I see . That explains everything.
 

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I believe in both, it's silly to me to think that you can believe in an all powerful all knowing force and not think it would be smart enough to set up a sustaining force in the universe like evolution.
 
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You should read Cosmic Jackpot. Really puts into perspective just how unlikely the universe supporting life is.

Stephen Hawking also described it well: "If the rate of expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present size."

"The initial state of the universe must have been very carefully chosen indeed if the hot big bang model was correct right back to the beginning of time. It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings just like us."

Who's to say that didn't happen trillions upon trillions of times before 1 universe came out just right? When the numbers are big enough you're chances of having things happen just right go way up, low percentage maybe .000001% but out of a hundred trillion is still 100,000,000 that it happened just right!! Crazy to think about but it's simple math! It's just math and numbers on an "astronomical" level. With hundreds of trillions of stars out there, most of which have many planets. Odds are a good few of them are just like ours.

How about you ask Stephen hawking what he thinks about the need for god as an explanation. He literally wrote a book about it and made a movie. It's a good read/watch
 
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