[Discussion] Cracker is stronger than Doffy

[Vandenre1ch]

Nope you are blatantly being asinine. There's some things that are blatantly obvious such as new characters that we know are going to be shown however we can't make power ranking arguments in that fashion which is much more subject to the authors will. what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges. You're only playing this bad logic card and exaggerating to this extent because you know your logic is bs and can't come back with a good rebuttal. So u should stop employing straw man tactics and actually debate but I kno u don't have anything of worth to say since your point is alll speculation.

If I use your logic I'm going to say luffy > akainu since that's going to happen in the future right I mean it's so obvious right. Your idiotic stance on this matter is astounding

I'm using your logic which is ironic since you're getting upset and tossing out the insults. Its YOUR logic dude. Should explain alot to you about your posts.

 

[arv993]

I'm using your logic which is ironic since you're getting upset and tossing out the insults. Its YOUR logic dude. Should explain alot to you about your posts.

no one threw out insults. i called your statement and your logic bad and said your opinion on this idiotic. i didnt personally attack you. I dont kno you like that but your logical skills can be called out if thats too much for u then too bad.

That isnt my logic. But nice try at a straw man argument, shows how bad your debating skills are. I shown you repeatedly how your logic is flawed by using examples like luffy or sabo etc and you twist it as me saying we cant predict that even characters like green bull wont be shown and the other pathetic arguments you made to validate your fanfic theories/speculation.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

no one threw out insults. i called your statement and your logic bad and said your opinion on this idiotic. i didnt personally attack you. I dont kno you like that but your logical skills can be called out if thats too much for u then too bad.

That isnt my logic. But nice try at a straw man argument, shows how bad your debating skills are. I shown you repeatedly how your logic is flawed by using examples like luffy or sabo etc and you twist it as me saying we cant predict that even characters like green bull wont be shown and the other pathetic arguments you made to validate your fanfic theories/speculation.

At this point you're just trying to have the last say....My point was obvious & clear. Marines are more powerful & the shichibukau system is foreshadowed to fall like how Kaido's getting beaten, One Piece being discovered etc. Since the yonko are being dethroned, the marines don't need the warlord system to balance the yonko.

Its that simple yet you kept making up stuff, putting words in my mouth and calling such obvious info fanfiction. When I use your logic against you, you suddenly say its not your logic. All you want is to be right and you'll do anything to make yourself think that.

I give you permission to keep making excuses trying to defend yourself but this is over. Its obvious what my point was and what you're doing. Again, you have permission to say "lol", "you lost" or anything else related to make yourself feel better.

 

[arv993]

At this point you're just trying to have the last say....My point was obvious & clear. Marines are more powerful & the shichibukau system is foreshadowed to fall like how Kaido's getting beaten, One Piece being discovered etc. Since the yonko are being dethroned, the marines don't need the warlord system to balance the yonko.

Its that simple yet you kept making up stuff, putting words in my mouth and calling such obvious info fanfiction. When I use your logic against you, you suddenly say its not your logic. All you want is to be right and you'll do anything to make yourself think that.

I give you permission to keep making excuses trying to defend yourself but this is over. Its obvious what my point was and what you're doing. Again, you have permission to say "lol", "you lost" or anything else related to make yourself feel better.

Nah I tried to correct you about not speaking about predictions as facts.

Dude we arent talking about whats foreshadowed the marines arent likely going to be there either after the final battle/ war the WG wont be there so what is your point? I am truly trying to understand your warped logic. so why dont we just say luffy is PK cuz we know thats going to happen but we cant make those kinds of statements as it did not happen. And its even less certain that all the yonko would get defeated until its maybe the end of the war since BB might be the final villain. Theres so many plot twists that can occur for you to act like nostradamus.

Yonko arent dethroned yet so your whole point is baseless.

When you use extreme examples of ones logic like saying " theres going to be a dialogue" so I can predict that as an excuse to predict whatever nonsense you want to and act as your predictions are facts. I am sorry but I had to call you out. this is the definition of strawman, if you dont know what that is, google it and find out for yourself.


stop trying to weasel your way out of your poor rebuttal by saying I was being disrespectful to you.

 

[kiiro]

Doflamingo is stronger.

Doflamingo was like a commander of Kaido.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Seriously why is cracker considered stronger then doffy?

I mean yes his haki is stronger without a doubt. but since when is that the only category that matters in a fight?
doffy outclasses him in plenty of categories as well.

for exp: speed out classes cracker (along with flight etc) same with durability. haki mastery: adarment specifically goes to cracker stamina by feats goes to the cracker. endurance by far goes to dofflamingo (he tanked so much during his arc) and it is a no brainer that doffy is more intelligent than cracker. strength is unclear who is stronger physically at least to me. I want to say cracker for sole fact that he was able to bypass gear4th so easily but is that not more considered a haki feat rather then strength but I am going to give it to cracker though.


it took luffy less help to defeat cracker (nami) than it did with dofflamingo (Law, viola, 100-1000 of citzens)

the only thing that looks good for crackers fight is the time but that is contributed to luffy being able to replenish stamina by being able to eat crackers thus being able to fight for that long (thanks nami)

but yeah why is this treated like fact? he is commander lvl no prob. and was a his own major villian rather then being then being an underling (though to a yonko)

 

[Dannie]

I give it to Doflamingo very high to extreme diff.

Also don't think it is fair to say that because Luffy "defeated" Mingo in G4 with one attack while it took Luffy some hours in G4 + Nami just to beat Cracker, that Cracker is automatically stronger than Mingo. Against Cracker, Luffy was able to use G4 and didn't even go all out and was able to fight him with only Nami for backup. Against Mingo, he would have died if a ton of people didn't help him and Mingo being injured by Law's attack who was Luffy's main support.

If we are comparing both of the fights and determining which one is stronger based on that, then it is obvious that Luffy had a harder time against Mingo(who wasn't even at full health against a stronger more serious Luffy) than Cracker.

The birdcage should remove Cracker's ability to break away and use his clone armors, and since Mingo's got total air domination on his cloud strings, any ground attacks he could easily dodge.

Mingo wasn't even manhandled by Luffy in G4. He took some of Luffy's strongest attacks and still came back for more. Even after his organs being destroyed by Law, he still had enough power to keep up a giant birdcage on Dressrosa while he was fighting with Law and Luffy. Luffy had a lot of help like with Law, and from the gladiators who protected him while he was recharging his Haki.

>Speed goes to Mingo.
>Durability also goes to Mingo, since we can humbly say that since Cracker needs to hide behind armor, he is not that tough and Mingo already proved that he can take a lot and still fight.
>Endurance goes to Mingo too, since he didn't get any assistance or help while he was fighting Law and Luffy.
>Haki goes to Cracker

Mingo's biggest problem is being overwhelmed by a bunch of biscuit soldiers with insane armament haki that he has no way of weakening, but it really depends on what Mingo can do in awakening.

*Also, what is stopping Mingo from simply binding Cracker's biscuit soldiers and using them against him or are his soldiers that strong that he can overpower Mingo? Since he was able to stop Diamond Jozu, why can't he do the same to Cracker's biscuits??

 

[MickNerks]

Cracker is obviously stornger than Doflamingo.

Cracker's Stamina and Durability has shown to be greater than Doffy

Cracker's Strength and Power are also greater than Doffy


Let's not also forget that Cracker has just as great mastery over his devil fruit as Doflamingo if not greater. Cracker has an Army by his side at all times w/ superior haki to Doffy.

My money is on Cracker High Difficulty

 

[chopstickchakra]

Cracker is obviously stornger than Doflamingo.

Cracker's Stamina and Durability has shown to be greater than Doffy

Cracker's Strength and Power are also greater than Doffy


Let's not also forget that Cracker has just as great mastery over his devil fruit as Doflamingo if not greater. Cracker has an Army by his side at all times w/ superior haki to Doffy.

My money is on Cracker High Difficulty

Cracker's durability wasn't shown to be anything, if anything it was shown to be weak for his position. In fact so much of that was off panel how can you claim any of it as a "feat"?

Cracker's stamina: The fight lasted 11 hours but high ups have fights that last for days, hell Ace fought Jinbei for 5 days when they were young. On top of that we don't know how involved those 11 hours were from Cracker's POV, using his clones may not be all that taxing for him. We don't know how long if any rests he got during Luffy's ambush style offense. We also don't know the longest Doffy could fight for so a stamina comparison has little behind it.

Endurance/Durability: Cracker was taken out by 1 G4 hit on the real body(which wasn't really even any impact from G4 or Luffy like Doffy contended with) that sent him through 2 or 3 of his own soldiers then some trees and flying into the castle. Sure we know his biscuits w/ haki were hard but we don't really know how that impact compares to a G4 punch plus those biscuits didn't look haki'd so Cracker went through his regular biscuits not haki infused biscuits. Doffy took way more G4 hits and took a bigger hit through KKG. If anything I'd say Doffy had the stronger durability meaning once past defenses it took more to hurt Doffy than it did Cracker.

DF Mastery: Where are you getting this concept from? Is Cracker's DF awakened? Can he do a fraction with it that Doffy can? The amount of variations Doffy had for his strings and different styles of use far outclass Cracker. Theoretically Cracker could have used his DF to make anything out of biscuits but all he made were drones, something Doffy can do as well. Plus for every soldier Cracker makes Doffy can make another string. As for the haki, how do we know it disperses evenly across all clones? Maybe after awhile the haki potency per soldier begins to decrease, haki's not infinite after all even Cracker has to have a limit.

Strength and power are the same thing and this is where Cracker has an implied advantage but power isn't all that wins you a fight. Doffy has the better fruit and is more advanced with his fruit, Doffy has the endurance, stamina is unproven for either side, Doffy has the mobility, Cracker has the haki(arm.) Doffy has the haki(conq.).