Counters to Double MS Obito using Kamui [Please read it ]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to talk about Kamui, probably the most op and hax technique in Narutoverse.

Kamui:

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Is there anyone possesing something to counter Double MS Obito using Kamui in both his eyes ?

Yes, it is and now I will prove counters to Kamui.

Counters to Kakashi's long range Kamui:

1) Shielding himself with wall made of rocks, lava, or something other. It must be thick enough to seperate target from wielder of Kamui... that because user of Kamui has to keep his eyes at target and focus so his vision can NOT be disrupted or Kamui is canceled

2) Sussano - Arguably the most powerfull technique of Mangenkyou Sharingan brought by user using his both MS eyes at the same time. Massive construct of chakra in shape of monster/demon manifested by wielder using his powerfull spiritual energy. Sussano is nothing more then multiple layers of chakra put on on another making it much more thicker. Even if Kamui is capable of opening/ ripping out hole in Sussano to get to the wielder, it is safe to asssume that wielder will attack user of Kamui or move out of range of Kamui.

3) Tailed beasts - The are just big massive chakra shaped monsters created by Yin-Yang release, because of their being made of chakra, it could be close to impossible to absorb something like that.

4) Bijuu mode cloak/v2 cloak and maybe even v1 cloak - These cloaks/shrouds as manifested by Hosts while using tailed beasts power. It could be effective against Kamui user who would have to rip hole inside of one of the cloaks/shrouds to even get to the target.

Counters to close range Kamui:

1) Replacement technique - requires supreme sensing skills and perfect mastery over replacement technique which could give traget chance to replace himself in time with something while Kamui's swirl is unleashed to draw you in.

2) Shadow clone technique - simple sends clone there while target himself/herself leave range of Kamui or use clones to get out of Kamui's range

3) Chakra/tailed beasts or Sussano manifestion of body - If user of Kamui get behind your back and you sense it and will be enough fast to move away then you can counter and even possible hit user of Kamui with extending body made of chakra to attack target.


Now, Let's me show how top 10 of my list can counter Double MS Obito wielding Kamui technique:

1) Current Obito > Double MS Obito, as ten tails host we know that ten tails can't be moved in other dimenssion so close range Kamui wouldn't work. Now about long range technique Kamui well Obito blitz before Double MS Obito could react. Besides Onmyoudon counters every Ninjutsu.
2) Hashirama > Double MS Obito, just summon great amount of wood to protect himself against long range Kamui technique, then try to overhelm him with wood release. Flower sleeping gas could work as well as wood clones.
3) Madara > Double MS Obito,Sussano to protect himself so he could disrupt long range Kamui technique affecting him to buy time to leave Kamui affected place, then counterattack with massive Fire release or Rinnegan, Amaterasu etc. For Close range Kamui technique..., Madara could be in danger but depend who has better reaction time.
4) Naruto > Double MS Obito, Currently Naruto posses supreme sensing skills, enhanced reaction time along with flash speed in BSM Mode, not even mentioning enhanced range of attack due to nature energy.
Long range technique get avoided each time by supperior reaction time combined with flash speed. Close range Kamui can be sensed and avoided then countered.
5) Sasuke > Double MS Obito, Perfect Sussano protect Sasuke from Kamui and then MS Obito is overhelemed with Blaze release or Amaterasu spam, Sussano's arrows

only top 5

but rest of the top list I am not sure.

Even although double MS wielding Obito may by almost invincible... he still can be beaten...

Unless Double MS wielding Obito posses Sussano..., then I don't see how to beat him..., unless you have supperior reaction time, flash speed, supreme sensing skills also great amount of chakra to outlast him... + very powerfull defence.

Thanks for reading !

Where would you rank him in top 10 ?

Please share your thoughts

 

[Skull Knight]

well one of the counter for kamui or Mangekyou Sharingan is hidden mist like zabuza did where kakashi cannot see anything.
so hidden mist is a good counter for sharingan

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

There is no counter except KA.

 

[KCMNaruto]

There is no counter except KA.

what about Yata

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

what about Yata

Can't hep but leler @ this guy. It's adorable that people think that gets me.

No. Itachi gets utterly destroyed. It's in the data book.

 

[Skull Knight]

what about Yata

ohhhhhh........................
donot bring yata in this discussion.flame war will start in this thread.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Naw i dont see it.i see your counters and all.. they are good, but the close range kamui can counter your long range counters, and your long range counters are countered by the short range kamui's intangibility... and what happens if you can us kamui to open the warp inside of the susanoo..but honestly you have to think of this too.. With both kamui who would engage in a fight. i would simply be sniper. if i know im trynna kill someone, i can teleport to a vantage point. a safe one that leaves me undetectable and simply snipe with the long rage. if you dont know where i am how can you counter. kamui is fast enough to warp sasuke's susanoo arrow. and things can also be ejected from kamui. The only way to beat kamui is FTG jutsu. you need S/T to counter S/T but even then FTG will lose. with both kamui i dont see how anyone would lose when you add all of the other jutsu they could potentially use

 

[KCMNaruto]

ohhhhhh........................
donot bring yata in this discussion.flame war will start in this thread.

hahaha yeah I know... but I just brought this for fun to see if he is just Itachi fan or fanboy/fapboy , looks like I wrong about hm

Nice

Naw i dont see it.i see your counters and all.. they are good, but the close range kamui can counter your long range counters, and your long range counters are countered by the short range kamui's intangibility... and what happens if you can us kamui to open the warp inside of the susanoo..but honestly you have to think of this too.. With both kamui who would engage in a fight. i would simply be sniper. if i know im trynna kill someone, i can teleport to a vantage point. a safe one that leaves me undetectable and simply snipe with the long rage. if you dont know where i am how can you counter. kamui is fast enough to warp sasuke's susanoo arrow. and things can also be ejected from kamui. The only way to beat kamui is FTG jutsu. you need S/T to counter S/T but even then FTG will lose. with both kamui i dont see how anyone would lose when you add all of the other jutsu they could potentially use

strategy + timing is key to win against double MS wielding Obito

 

[-Punk-]

Minato is a counter .

 

[oShux]

Hello guys, I would like to talk about Kamui, probably the most op and hax technique in Narutoverse.

Kamui:

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Is there anyone possesing something to counter Double MS Obito using Kamui in both his eyes ?

Yes, it is and now I will prove counters to Kamui.

Counters to Kakashi's long range Kamui:

1) Shielding himself with wall made of rocks, lava, or something other. It must be thick enough to seperate target from wielder of Kamui... that because user of Kamui has to keep his eyes at target and focus so his vision can NOT be disrupted or Kamui is canceled

2) Sussano - Arguably the most powerfull technique of Mangenkyou Sharingan brought by user using his both MS eyes at the same time. Massive construct of chakra in shape of monster/demon manifested by wielder using his powerfull spiritual energy. Sussano is nothing more then multiple layers of chakra put on on another making it much more thicker. Even if Kamui is capable of opening/ ripping out hole in Sussano to get to the wielder, it is safe to asssume that wielder will attack user of Kamui or move out of range of Kamui.

3) Tailed beasts - The are just big massive chakra shaped monsters created by Yin-Yang release, because of their being made of chakra, it could be close to impossible to absorb something like that.

4) Bijuu mode cloak/v2 cloak and maybe even v1 cloak - These cloaks/shrouds as manifested by Hosts while using tailed beasts power. It could be effective against Kamui user who would have to rip hole inside of one of the cloaks/shrouds to even get to the target.

Counters to close range Kamui:

1) Replacement technique - requires supreme sensing skills and perfect mastery over replacement technique which could give traget chance to replace himself in time with something while Kamui's swirl is unleashed to draw you in.

2) Shadow clone technique - simple sends clone there while target himself/herself leave range of Kamui or use clones to get out of Kamui's range

3) Chakra/tailed beasts or Sussano manifestion of body - If user of Kamui get behind your back and you sense it and will be enough fast to move away then you can counter and even possible hit user of Kamui with extending body made of chakra to attack target.


Now, Let's me show how top 10 of my list can counter Double MS Obito wielding Kamui technique:

1) Current Obito > Double MS Obito, as ten tails host we know that ten tails can't be moved in other dimenssion so close range Kamui wouldn't work. Now about long range technique Kamui well Obito blitz before Double MS Obito could react. Besides Onmyoudon counters every Ninjutsu.
2) Hashirama > Double MS Obito, just summon great amount of wood to protect himself against long range Kamui technique, then try to overhelm him with wood release. Flower sleeping gas could work as well as wood clones.
3) Madara > Double MS Obito,Sussano to protect himself so he could disrupt long range Kamui technique affecting him to buy time to leave Kamui affected place, then counterattack with massive Fire release or Rinnegan, Amaterasu etc. For Close range Kamui technique..., Madara could be in danger but depend who has better reaction time.
4) Naruto > Double MS Obito, Currently Naruto posses supreme sensing skills, enhanced reaction time along with flash speed in BSM Mode, not even mentioning enhanced range of attack due to nature energy.
Long range technique get avoided each time by supperior reaction time combined with flash speed. Close range Kamui can be sensed and avoided then countered.
5) Sasuke > Double MS Obito, Perfect Sussano protect Sasuke from Kamui and then MS Obito is overhelemed with Blaze release or Amaterasu spam, Sussano's arrows

only top 5

but rest of the top list I am not sure.

Even although double MS wielding Obito may by almost invincible... he still can be beaten...

Unless Double MS wielding Obito posses Sussano..., then I don't see how to beat him..., unless you have supperior reaction time, flash speed, supreme sensing skills also great amount of chakra to outlast him... + very powerfull defence.

Thanks for reading !

Where would you rank him in top 10 ?

Please share your thoughts

1-The "massive" rocks and lava will just be taken in with you. And you're really underating kamui's speed.
2- Kamui's distance is basically the persons eye sight. If they can see you you're in range. But I guess you have a point.
3- Your argument about susano'o is based on pure assumption and Kakashi already kamui'd a tailed beast so... And the sasuke part is just bull shit. You saying that Obito can't kamui him cause of susano'o is like saying Obito can't kamui someone cause they went inside their house.. All he has to do is kamui the house with the person inside.. And even if Sasuke could dodge kamui how is he gonna attack Obito? He still has his 2nd kamui ability..

 

[KCMNaruto]

1-The "massive" rocks and lava will just be taken in with you. And you're really underating kamui's speed.
2- Kamui's distance is basically the persons eye sight. If they can see you you're in range. But I guess you have a point.
3- Your argument about susano'o is based on pure assumption and Kakashi already kamui'd a tailed beast so... And the sasuke part is just bull shit. You saying that Obito can't kamui him cause of susano'o is like saying Obito can't kamui someone cause they went inside their house.. All he has to do is kamui the house with the person inside.. And even if Sasuke could dodge kamui how is he gonna attack Obito? He still has his 2nd kamui ability..

Well alright

Keep in mind that I don't state that Sasuke can attack Obito, this section which you quoted is only for counters to long range kamui(This what Kakashi uses), that my point

Bolded parts, true but only because Kakashi used CLOSE RANGE KAMUI but I am talking about LONG RANGE KAMUI.

If Obito can Kamui house with Person inside then why didn't he do that ?, post me manga panel where he does something like that.

Even in Databook entry of Kamui only states that mastery over Kamui allows user of Kamui draw in Entire human... but nothing more, so guess this is safe to assume that human wrapping is limit of Kamui.

Only Kamui enhanced by Tailed beast chakra/Kurama in this case could absorb even whole Hachibi.

Basing on Databook stating Kamui limit of wrapping to be just human size...

Tailed beast, Sussano(bigger then human size), massive Wood release > Kamui wrapping power.

 

[Creedo]

So one of those counters for Long Range Kamui (Kakashi doesnt' have close range, even for himself he uses long range- on his hand and then rest, strange but it had to be made like it) is in your opinion any shroud of chakra. So to your mind Kakashi wouldn't be able to Kamui any shinobi from the alliance in a Kyuubi shroud, nor Naruto transformed into a bijuu?

With that, I disagree. Also with Susanoo. Kakashi would still have Sasuke in his eyesight, no matter that he is covered in chakra. He would still transfer him.

 

[Draphsin]

Seems you dont know the true potential of kamui, while you have listed counters, they can still be beaten

Counters to Kakashi's long range Kamui:

1) Shielding himself with wall made of rocks, lava, or something other. It must be thick enough to seperate target from wielder of Kamui... that because user of Kamui has to keep his eyes at target and focus so his vision can NOT be disrupted or Kamui is canceled

If you mean a jutsu like lava armor then kamui will still tear through it. Anything thick enough to put distance between the enemy & the long ranged kamui will be bypassed via short ranged.

2) Sussano - Arguably the most powerfull technique of Mangenkyou Sharingan brought by user using his both MS eyes at the same time. Massive construct of chakra in shape of monster/demon manifested by wielder using his powerfull spiritual energy. Sussano is nothing more then multiple layers of chakra put on on another making it much more thicker. Even if Kamui is capable of opening/ ripping out hole in Sussano to get to the wielder, it is safe to asssume that wielder will attack user of Kamui or move out of range of Kamui.

Yes, susanoo is arguably the best counter to long ranged kamui, however short ranged kamui can easily teleport inside.

3) Tailed beasts - The are just big massive chakra shaped monsters created by Yin-Yang release, because of their being made of chakra, it could be close to impossible to absorb something like that.

This is simple, kakashi was about to warp the gedo's head with his full powered kamui, long ranged kamui can decapitate a bijuu.

4) Bijuu mode cloak/v2 cloak and maybe even v1 cloak - These cloaks/shrouds as manifested by Hosts while using tailed beasts power. It could be effective against Kamui user who would have to rip hole inside of one of the cloaks/shrouds to even get to the target.

No, these cloaks are great in utilizing speed however intangibility takes care of this, not to mention warping to the other dimension. A kamui user can use kamui to pop his head out from time to time & study the location of the enemy & warp to appear behind them. Short ranged kamui is then utilized.

Counters to close range Kamui:

1) Replacement technique - requires supreme sensing skills and perfect mastery over replacement technique which could give traget chance to replace himself in time with something while Kamui's swirl is unleashed to draw you in.

This is impossible, not only have two people escaped a kamui warp but they did it under extraordinary conditions.

Minato: Had the ability to teleport instantly.

Konan: Was planning a suicide bomb.

2) Shadow clone technique - simple sends clone there while target himself/herself leave range of Kamui or use clones to get out of Kamui's range

Confused, when has kamui been shown to have a range? & where is the clone being sent? The kamui user can take care of each clone individually via long ranged kamui. Attacking from the other dimension to ensure he can't be hit.

3) Chakra/tailed beasts or Sussano manifestion of body - If user of Kamui get behind your back and you sense it and will be enough fast to move away then you can counter and even possible hit user of Kamui with extending body made of chakra to attack target.

This wont work due to intangibility. The only surprise attacks that work on a kamui user are those that are instant (ex minato's FTG) & those that restrict the ability to warp to the other dimension. However with intangibility nothing can land a hit, even if the kamui user isnt looking.

1) Current Obito > Double MS Obito, as ten tails host we know that ten tails can't be moved in other dimenssion so close range Kamui wouldn't work. Now about long range technique Kamui well Obito blitz before Double MS Obito could react. Besides Onmyoudon counters every Ninjutsu.

The juubi removed obito's ability to become intangible. This doesnt mean that the jinchuuriki can't be hit with a long ranged kamui or absorbed. I still don't see juubito being able to land a hit, especially since minato is the only one who could do so due to instantaneous movement.

2) Hashirama > Double MS Obito, just summon great amount of wood to protect himself against long range Kamui technique, then try to overhelm him with wood release. Flower sleeping gas could work as well as wood clones.

How would he use the wood? as a wall or a dome? Either way hashirama can't avoid getting absorbed. Mokuton & clones are bypassed via intangibility/dimension warp. FTW is the only problem however if he really wanted to obito could just warp the flowers away via long ranged.

3) Madara > Double MS Obito,Sussano to protect himself so he could disrupt long range Kamui technique affecting him to buy time to leave Kamui affected place, then counterattack with massive Fire release or Rinnegan, Amaterasu etc. For Close range Kamui technique..., Madara could be in danger but depend who has better reaction time.

This is easy, obito warps to the head behind madara, doesnt even need both kamuis.

4) Naruto > Double MS Obito, Currently Naruto posses supreme sensing skills, enhanced reaction time along with flash speed in BSM Mode, not even mentioning enhanced range of attack due to nature energy.
Long range technique get avoided each time by supperior reaction time combined with flash speed. Close range Kamui can be sensed and avoided then countered.

Sensing helps with long range ill give you that, but there is nothing else that naruto can do to hurt obito. You may think kage bunshin barrage but obito can simply warp away. Naruto will eventually tire himself out because he has no way of hitting obito, while obito can utilize his jutsus from another dimension.

5) Sasuke > Double MS Obito, Perfect Sussano protect Sasuke from Kamui and then MS Obito is overhelemed with Blaze release or Amaterasu spam, Sussano's arrows

Kamui inside of susanoo, if obito warps behind the user then they can't track his movements. They get assassinated the easiest (sasuke & madara).

Please share your thoughts

I didnt even include obito's actual arsenal, I've been sticking strictly to kamui. Obito can't be touched, he can attack you from long/short range with a jutsu that you can't defend from (it will rip a hole through any defense). A double MS kamui user is too much.