Countering the Hiruzen Haters!

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God of shinobi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God of fodder.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

This doesn't change a thing, now you're just going off-topic.
Hiruzen was just a pretty strong fodder at that time, everyone else thinks so too.

If you want to have that opinion of yours, fine.
But to me, Hiruzen is arguably one of the weakest Hokages because from what we've seen him do, he would have a hard time against even Kiba. "Prime Hiruzen" is a myth.

Your just being ridiculous now lol

 

[SpiritNinja]

I guess we have a total different definition of evidence then

Mine being actual evidence and yours being an opinion

He tried to derive fact from a baseless claim

At best it sums up to a theory which does not equate to truth :sy:

So why dont we do this:

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He was hailed as God of Shinobi in his Youth

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Where Hashirama was labeled as god of shinobi

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No where in the entire manga is Tobirama mentioned as a god of shinobi, so does that mean Hiruzen and Hashirama is better than Tobirama.... IN his prime

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[MickNerks]

lol, it's funny because before kishi retconned Hiruzens title I tried to tell a Hiruzen fan that the god of shinobi thing is a title that any top tier ninja could have, he was like hell naw hiruzens the only one. Now Hiruzen fans are telling me what i tried to tell them weeks ago, lol @ that

God of shinobi is not a title given to any top tier shinobi. The only known shinobi to posses this title are So6p, Hashirama, Hiruzen. And maybe Nagato

Hashirama was the first after the sage to be named god of shinobi it wasn't something that just happened

People character bashing has nothing to do with who is stronger.

You make it seem as it them talking trash actually lowers his overall strength lol

It doesn't and you making this thread won't sudden'y make his stronger then tobirama either unless it is hinted at or specifically mentioned that,that is the case.

Your grasping at straws from that single page.

Hints you could go off would be actual feats of strength or something that just recently happened like everyone sensing the massive chakra that resides in the senju brothers.

That was a hint at how strong he was.

You arnt understanding me. Hashirama WAS JUST named god of shinobi to the readers of the manga. But yes he was named it after the sage, but we as readers are just getting this information.

Thought there words cant take away from the statements/facts/beliefs of the manga, it is annoying to constantly hear "hiruzen is the weakest of the kage", "hiruzen gets fodderized by kiba', "Hiruzen gets k.o'd by tsunaded". These statements arnt true and are so annoyiing.

This doesn't change a thing, now you're just going off-topic.
Hiruzen was just a pretty strong fodder at that time, everyone else thinks so too.

If you want to have that opinion of yours, fine.
But to me, Hiruzen is arguably one of the weakest Hokages because from what we've seen him do, he would have a hard time against even Kiba. "Prime Hiruzen" is a myth.

No No NO, people on this base may think that but not people in the manga or the manga itself. If that was the case he would be as hyped in his prime that he is. Hiruzen in his prime has more/better hype then both tobirama and minato combined.

You honestly think kiba is stronger than hiruzen than we have nothing to talk about. You are beginning to sound delusional. Hiruzen in part one WAS the strongest ninja in the village and the strongest of the other reigning kages. Why do you choose to ignore these facts.

 

[Prometheus Beta]

Not entirely true. Hiruzen was speaking about everyone. How do you come to the conclusion that he was excluding tobirama. Is it because you dont want to accept younger hiruzen as being stronger?

Neither interpretation is all that obvious, all you two have done is assume your own case without even attempting to warrant it which is understandable as there doesnt seem to be much contextual clue as regards either case. Its pretty obvious that Kishimoto has retconned the Hokages; Hashirama in the recent chapters was a completely different character as compared to his portrayal in part 1 and its pretty obvious hes far superior to Hiruzen at the moment, well have to wait and see Tobirama and Hiruzen in battle to make a judgement on this one.