Countering the Hiruzen Haters!

[MickNerks]

Im kinda getting tired of the Hiruzen Bashing that has been going on for the last 3 weeks. When it was announced the Hashirama officially joined the ranks of God of Shinobi, we Hiruzen Fans warmly welcomed him into the club with hiruzen and So6P. But now you guys are getting out of control with the bashing. So allow me to give you Part 2 PROOF that hiruzen in his prime was Stronger than at least Tobirama.

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Hiruzen clearly states in his youth, even in the presence of Tobirama that he is the strongest amongst the people there. And that he should stay and fight because he was positive he wouldnt died. Tobirama did not object to the statement of his being the strongest but instead, suggested that he (tobirama) himself will fight and Hiruzen will be the hokage from then on.

Now after we have seen small exaples which show tobirama's power, this must mean that hiruzen in his 20's was beastly as well.

Now I will agree that the old hirizen that we have seen is not god of shinobi, but this is ALREADY explained that only younger hiruzen in his prime was a godly shinobi. But seeing how we have not seen this youthful hiruzen fight, please stop the bashing of this character, because manga has clearly shown us that he is already stronger then tobirama whilst in his prime.



(P.S) I absolutely love Tobirama, since he has been revived. He seems like a amazing shinobi and i cant wait to see him in battle.

 

[Frankenstein]

Lol Hiruzen obviously was referring to the other team members..not Tobirama himself.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

No.


God of shinobi is a title not an absolute rank

And hashi held the tittle before him so i don't know what your talking about when you say

"When it was announced the Hashirama officially joined the ranks of God of Shinobi, we Hiruzen Fans warmly welcomed him into the club"


Do you think your on the god of shinobi committee or something ? lol
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P.S.
The manga doesn't hint whatsoever at him being stronger then tobirama because it doesn't show us him at full power :sy:

So how you decide who is stronger amazes me

You need to let this die

 

[-immortal-]

LOL? where stands the proof.
Can't see sh*t

 

[Owarij]

As much as I like defending hiruzen as much as the other guy. Based on the next few scans, Hiruzen didn't even consider for a second that the hokage was willing to sacrifice himself, thus didn't consider him in the group

 

[MickNerks]

Lol Hiruzen obviously was referring to the other team members..not Tobirama himself.

Not entirely true. Hiruzen was speaking about everyone. How do you come to the conclusion that he was excluding tobirama. Is it because you dont want to accept younger hiruzen as being stronger?

 

[hixa kuogame]

Ok so hiruzen looks about 17... r u saying 17 is his prime and have u ever heard of an empty promise he knee he would be a sacrifice that's why everyone was so hesitant to volunteer

 

[LegendaryAce]

Lets hope the day u have to admit hashirama's awesomeness is coming soon.

 

[~Puppet Master~]

Clearly everyone assumed that Tobirama wouldn't serve as the decoy, you can tell by the way they reacted.
So that means he was referring to the fodders that he was surrounded by. He's just a bit less fodder than they are.

 

[SpiritNinja]

And its begun... You invite the Blind to a thread and they begin spewing their blind and "set in there ways" opinions.
I understand what this thread was trying to say. Althought i dont think he is stronger than tobirama, i applaud you for your effort.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Not entirely true. Hiruzen was speaking about everyone. How do you come to the conclusion that he was excluding tobirama. Is it because you dont want to accept younger hiruzen as being stronger?

Your right coming to conclusions without conclusive evidence is your job lol

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

And its begone... You invite the Blind to a thread and they begin spewing their blind and set in there ways opinions.
I understand what this thread was trying to say. Althought i dont think he is stronger than tobirama, i applaud you for your effort.

What effort ?
Anyone can post a manga panel in fact people do it everyday especially one who wants to make a point

He didn't offer any conclusive evidence just his biased opinion

 

[MickNerks]

No.


God of shinobi is a title not an absolute rank

And hashi held the tittle before him so i don't know what your talking about when you say

"When it was announced the Hashirama officially joined the ranks of God of Shinobi, we Hiruzen Fans warmly welcomed him into the club"


Do you think your on the god of shinobi committee or something ? lol
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P.S.
The manga doesn't hint whatsoever at him being stronger then tobirama because it doesn't show us him at full power :sy:

So how you decide who is stronger amazes me

You need to let this die

The manga just recently named hashirama as a god of shinobi. And when i said "When it was announced the Hashirama officially joined the ranks of God of Shinobi, we Hiruzen Fans warmly welcomed him into the club" I was saying that we didnt start flame wars and troll or live in denile, we let what the manga say stay as what it was. Yet they have been ignoring manga for the last three weeks to degrade a older hiruzen.

As much as I like defending hiruzen as much as the other guy. Based on the next few scans, Hiruzen didn't even consider for a second that the hokage was willing to sacrifice himself, thus didn't consider him in the group

I seemed that danzo didnt consider it. Hiruzen didnt seem suprised when tobirama said he would stay, only danzo. Hiruzens only reaction was when he was named hokage.

 

[SpiritNinja]

What effort ?
Anyone can post a manga panel in fact people do it everyday especially one who wants to make a point

He didn't offer any conclusive evidence just his biased opinion

His effort to back to whom his fanboyism is subject to. He went to find evidence and i believe he did. The perception of that manga is different to everyone. Maybe Hiruzen did mean he was even stronger than the second. but you cant possibly believe that!!!! it cant be right that a 17-20 year old could out do a hokage. Just like its not possible for a 12-14 year old to capture a nine tails and walk away from a fight with the Yellow Flash. Be more open minded and less critical. This base is full of opinions

 

[MickNerks]

Ok so hiruzen looks about 17... r u saying 17 is his prime and have u ever heard of an empty promise he knee he would be a sacrifice that's why everyone was so hesitant to volunteer

hiruzen is between 18 - 20's.

Everyone but hiruzen.

Lets hope the day u have to admit hashirama's awesomeness is coming soon.

I already admitted to hashirama's awsomeness. I know the man is a powerhouse and i am now a fan. Im just tired of all the hiruzen sarutobi character bashing and hating thats been going on for the last 3 weeks.

Clearly everyone assumed that Tobirama wouldn't serve as the decoy, you can tell by the way they reacted.
So that means he was referring to the fodders that he was surrounded by. He's just a bit less fodder than they are.

The only person who reacted was danzo, so what are you saying??

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[TrollingSage]

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Edit: I can see you've posted that page yourself

 

[Retsu]

lol, it's funny because before kishi retconned Hiruzens title I tried to tell a Hiruzen fan that the god of shinobi thing is a title that any top tier ninja could have, he was like hell naw hiruzens the only one. Now Hiruzen fans are telling me what i tried to tell them weeks ago, lol @ that

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

The manga just recently named hashirama as a god of shinobi. And when i said "When it was announced the Hashirama officially joined the ranks of God of Shinobi, we Hiruzen Fans warmly welcomed him into the club" I was saying that we didnt start flame wars and troll or live in denile, we let what the manga say stay as what it was. Yet they have been ignoring manga for the last three weeks to degrade a older hiruzen.

Hashirama was the first after the sage to be named god of shinobi it wasn't something that just happened

People character bashing has nothing to do with who is stronger.

You make it seem as it them talking trash actually lowers his overall strength lol

It doesn't and you making this thread won't sudden'y make his stronger then tobirama either unless it is hinted at or specifically mentioned that,that is the case.

Your grasping at straws from that single page.

Hints you could go off would be actual feats of strength or something that just recently happened like everyone sensing the massive chakra that resides in the senju brothers.

That was a hint at how strong he was.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

His effort to back to whom his fanboyism is subject to. He went to find evidence and i believe he did. The perception of that manga is different to everyone. Maybe Hiruzen did mean he was even stronger than the second. but you cant possibly believe that!!!! it cant be right that a 17-20 year old could out do a hokage. Just like its not possible for a 12-14 year old to capture a nine tails and walk away from a fight with the Yellow Flash. Be more open minded and less critical. This base is full of opinions

I guess we have a total different definition of evidence then

Mine being actual evidence and yours being an opinion

He tried to derive fact from a baseless claim

He tried to say hiruzen was stronger without a doubt which we know is not true
because he does not have solid evidence and he speaks as if he does



At best it sums up to a far stretching theory which does not equate to truth :sy:

 

[~Puppet Master~]

The only person who reacted was danzo, so what are you saying??

This doesn't change a thing, now you're just going off-topic.
Hiruzen was just a pretty strong fodder at that time, everyone else thinks so too.

If you want to have that opinion of yours, fine.
But to me, Hiruzen is arguably one of the weakest Hokages because from what we've seen him do, he would have a hard time against even Kiba. "Prime Hiruzen" is a myth.