Could Tobi Be Sasuke?

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The title pretty much underlines my idea, but I'll humor you and explain why I believe this.

1) So far, Tobi has refused to show his face, except in an attempt to show
Sasuke.

Based off of pure speculations, don't you think that the one person that
Tobi would allow to see his face would be himself? Granted, it is
loosely implied that Itachi saw Tobi's face as well (for how could the
Amaterasu technique that he implanted into Sasuke's eyes have
known when to activate, had the original owner not seen Tobi's Face?

2) Upon close examination of Tobi's war-fan, we see the seal for Heaven's
Curse Mark on page 9 of issue 564. (I apologize, but my post-count is not
high enough to post urls.)

In this image, we clearly see the seal for Heaven's Curse Mark, as given
to Sasuke by Orochimaru, on Tobi's war-fan. I'd glanced over this
image three times previously before it caught my attention, because I
subliminally saw three tomoe and assumed that it was simply a
rudimentary Sharingan that Kishimoto decided to waste no time on.
In defense of the popular opinion that Tobi is a third-party entity,
however, it is noted that the tomoe is a fairly widespread symbol and
has been used in the Uchiha clan before without adding the pupil in
as a central circle. I, however, have personally dismissed this
scenario.

3) Given the fact that we have seen so little about Sasuke's new Eternal
Mangekyo Sharingan abilities, it is safe to assume that he, indeed, has
new abilities. Furthermore, given that space/time techniques can arise out
of the Mangekyo Sharingan (e.g. Kakashi's Kamui), it is not beyond reason
to assume that Sasuke may have developed such techniques.

Because ninjutsu such as Kakashi's Kamui and Minato's Flying Thunder
God have shown that it is possible to manipulate space within the
Naruto Universe, it is safe to assume that time may be manipulated
as well. If so, such a technique would most likely be born of a special
kekkei-genkai such as the EMS.

4) Sasuke has does have the motivation to have traveled back in time.

It is safe to say that Sasuke is hell-bent on restoring the Uchiha clan, or
taking any steps necessary to make it flourish once again, even if
once again may be in the past. Given Sasuke's demeanor, I would not
put it past him to attempt to travel back in time and confront Madara
in an attempt to prevent the Uchiha from joining the Senju clan in the
founding of Konoha; one could even take this a few steps further and
assume that our Sasuke (present in the past) may have been the one
to have instigated the original incident which led to the feud between
the Senju and Uchiha.

5) By using Kabuto's knowledge of medical and experimental ninjutsu, Sasuke
may have had the tools necessary to become Tobi.

Let's take a look at what we have in Tobi's base of operations right now:
too freaking many white Zetsu clones, Yamato (who just so happens
to possess the DNA of Hashirama Senju), and Kabuto (who is most
likely the greatest medical ninja that the Naruto Universe has ever
seen).
Once we place the pieces of this puzzle together, we have presented
Sasuke the ability to possess the DNA of a Senju, thereby giving him
the ability to use Izanagi as Tobi, if he needs to. Now, this is
personal speculation, but I believe that Madara Uchiha received the
Rinnegan ONLY as the result of possessing the DNA of a Senju, which
he has admitted he had received after their fight. I believe that
Sasuke/Tobi approached Madara and offered to infuse the Senju DNA
with Madara's own, as he did with himself.
Offered as an Argument for My Case:
I'm sure that eventually everyone is going to ask: "If Rinnegan
is a result of the fusion of Senju and Uchiha DNA within those
in possession of the EMS, why doesn't Tobi have it from the
get-go?"
My rebuttal is quite simple: Sasuke did not have access to PURE
Senju DNA; he merely had access to the bastardized strain
present within Yamato. It can be seen even in the use of
wood-style abilities: Yamato just doesn't possess purely Senju
DNA, which explain why his wood-style jutsu appears in the
form of blocks as opposed to Hashirama's, whose jutsu
appeared more aesthetically natural. Contributing to my
theory: Tobi is never seen using wood-style, but he makes it
quite clear to Konan that he possesses the DNA of a Senju as
he is explaining Izanagi; also, when seen using wood-style,
Madara has a form closer to Hashirama's, as opposed to
Yamato's "blocky" style.

Also, I believe that Kabuto possesses more knowledge concerning
immortality than he lets on.... Let's think about this: Orochimaru
wanted an Uchiha body, correct? Why not take one before and be
the most unstoppable ninja with Sharingan? The answer is simple: he
could not sustain the body...yet.... I believe that Orochimaru's time
spent with the Akatsuki was used, among other reasons, to study
Hidan, the natural immortal. I also believe that the reason that
Orochimaru was ready and willing to take possession of Sasuke's body
was that he and Kabuto had reached a breakthrough on their
research on the process of becoming immortal, and Orochimaru
wanted to permanently solidify his position as the world's greatest by
becoming a Sharingan-wielding immortal. However, Sasuke foiled his
plans, and I have no doubt that Sasuke did this intentionally. I
believe that Sasuke will have Kabuto perform whatever procedure is
necessary to make him immortal, as Orochimaru planned for himself.
This idea may further contribute as to why Sasuke did not have the
Rinnegan, as he may receive DNA from Hidan and, therefore, lose
some of the benefits of having a mixture of just Senju/Uchiha DNA.

6) Tobi assumed the guise of Madara during the current Shinobi World War
not only to rally his opponents to arms, but also because, in the event of
his mask being removed, he could claim that he was Madara (since Sasuke
and Madara share near impeccable facial resemblance).




So, folks, there you have it: my theory. Take it, leave it, perfect it, or abhor it. Just thought I'd share.
 
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The title pretty much underlines my idea, but I'll humor you and explain why I believe this.

1) So far, Tobi has refused to show his face, except in an attempt to show
Sasuke.

Based off of pure speculations, don't you think that the one person that
Tobi would allow to see his face would be himself? Granted, it is
loosely implied that Itachi saw Tobi's face as well (for how could the
Amaterasu technique that he implanted into Sasuke's eyes have
known when to activate, had the original owner not seen Tobi's Face?

2) Upon close examination of Tobi's war-fan, we see the seal for Heaven's
Curse Mark on page 9 of issue 564. (I apologize, but my post-count is not
high enough to post urls.)

In this image, we clearly see the seal for Heaven's Curse Mark, as given
to Sasuke by Orochimaru, on Tobi's war-fan. I'd glanced over this
image three times previously before it caught my attention, because I
subliminally saw three tomoe and assumed that it was simply a
rudimentary Sharingan that Kishimoto decided to waste no time on.
In defense of the popular opinion that Tobi is a third-party entity,
however, it is noted that the tomoe is a fairly widespread symbol and
has been used in the Uchiha clan before without adding the pupil in
as a central circle. I, however, have personally dismissed this
scenario.

3) Given the fact that we have seen so little about Sasuke's new Eternal
Mangekyo Sharingan abilities, it is safe to assume that he, indeed, has
new abilities. Furthermore, given that space/time techniques can arise out
of the Mangekyo Sharingan (e.g. Kakashi's Kamui), it is not beyond reason
to assume that Sasuke may have developed such techniques.

Because ninjutsu such as Kakashi's Kamui and Minato's Flying Thunder
God have shown that it is possible to manipulate space within the
Naruto Universe, it is safe to assume that time may be manipulated
as well. If so, such a technique would most likely be born of a special
kekkei-genkai such as the EMS.

4) Sasuke has does have the motivation to have traveled back in time.

It is safe to say that Sasuke is hell-bent on restoring the Uchiha clan, or
taking any steps necessary to make it flourish once again, even if
once again may be in the past. Given Sasuke's demeanor, I would not
put it past him to attempt to travel back in time and confront Madara
in an attempt to prevent the Uchiha from joining the Senju clan in the
founding of Konoha; one could even take this a few steps further and
assume that our Sasuke (present in the past) may have been the one
to have instigated the original incident which led to the feud between
the Senju and Uchiha.

5) By using Kabuto's knowledge of medical and experimental ninjutsu, Sasuke
may have had the tools necessary to become Tobi.

Let's take a look at what we have in Tobi's base of operations right now:
too freaking many white Zetsu clones, Yamato (who just so happens
to possess the DNA of Hashirama Senju), and Kabuto (who is most
likely the greatest medical ninja that the Naruto Universe has ever
seen).
Once we place the pieces of this puzzle together, we have presented
Sasuke the ability to possess the DNA of a Senju, thereby giving him
the ability to use Izanagi as Tobi, if he needs to. Now, this is
personal speculation, but I believe that Madara Uchiha received the
Rinnegan ONLY as the result of possessing the DNA of a Senju, which
he has admitted he had received after their fight. I believe that
Sasuke/Tobi approached Madara and offered to infuse the Senju DNA
with Madara's own, as he did with himself.
Offered as an Argument for My Case:
I'm sure that eventually everyone is going to ask: "If Rinnegan
is a result of the fusion of Senju and Uchiha DNA within those
in possession of the EMS, why doesn't Tobi have it from the
get-go?"
My rebuttal is quite simple: Sasuke did not have access to PURE
Senju DNA; he merely had access to the bastardized strain
present within Yamato. It can be seen even in the use of
wood-style abilities: Yamato just doesn't possess purely Senju
DNA, which explain why his wood-style jutsu appears in the
form of blocks as opposed to Hashirama's, whose jutsu
appeared more aesthetically natural. Contributing to my
theory: Tobi is never seen using wood-style, but he makes it
quite clear to Konan that he possesses the DNA of a Senju as
he is explaining Izanagi; also, when seen using wood-style,
Madara has a form closer to Hashirama's, as opposed to
Yamato's "blocky" style.

Also, I believe that Kabuto possesses more knowledge concerning
immortality than he lets on.... Let's think about this: Orochimaru
wanted an Uchiha body, correct? Why not take one before and be
the most unstoppable ninja with Sharingan? The answer is simple: he
could not sustain the body...yet.... I believe that Orochimaru's time
spent with the Akatsuki was used, among other reasons, to study
Hidan, the natural immortal. I also believe that the reason that
Orochimaru was ready and willing to take possession of Sasuke's body
was that he and Kabuto had reached a breakthrough on their
research on the process of becoming immortal, and Orochimaru
wanted to permanently solidify his position as the world's greatest by
becoming a Sharingan-wielding immortal. However, Sasuke foiled his
plans, and I have no doubt that Sasuke did this intentionally. I
believe that Sasuke will have Kabuto perform whatever procedure is
necessary to make him immortal, as Orochimaru planned for himself.
This idea may further contribute as to why Sasuke did not have the
Rinnegan, as he may receive DNA from Hidan and, therefore, lose
some of the benefits of having a mixture of just Senju/Uchiha DNA.

6) Tobi assumed the guise of Madara during the current Shinobi World War
not only to rally his opponents to arms, but also because, in the event of
his mask being removed, he could claim that he was Madara (since Sasuke
and Madara share near impeccable facial resemblance).




So, folks, there you have it: my theory. Take it, leave it, perfect it, or abhor it. Just thought I'd share.
Off the wall theories never work. Sasuke wouldn't go back in time just to go and assist his clan in the murder of the Uchiha. and then say i wanna restore my clan
 

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very PLAUSIBLE theory... but we need more evidence, plus they were in the same room together...
It's like me saying the white fang was a senju... yeah, plausible, but can we know for sure? no

did not even notice the cursed seal :p

WELCOME BTW! :D
 

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Hard to believe it but damn people getting more and more complicating theory's, I'm just like:"whothefckisthatguy!? Ah w/e *noms nacho's".
 

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I'm actually going to applaud you for this theory. Not because I agree, hell I haven't even read it, but the fact that you actually think this could even be considered as plausible [Going by your title that is] is just ridiculous.

Good try though.
 
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