Could the Sharingan win these two fights?

[SasukeSixPack]

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Or does it depend on who's wielding the Sharingan?

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[UltraPain]

I'm not sure how the rules apply with battling your dark self. It seems more like a spiritual/mental experience than something real anyways.

As for Kurama, of course the sharingan would stop him.

 

[Char Aznable]

With all the inner agony every Uchiha has, they'd all lose battle one.

Anyone with MS and higher can beat Kurama.

 

[Ansatsuken]

1. Sharingan couldnt influence Sasuke's own consciousness(hatred consciousness).

He was not fighting other person but his own spiritual awareness that govern over his hatred and darkness

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He need to fight his own self with real effort and mental strength and not by manipulation. Controlling his hatred self using Sharingan for a moment doesnt mean he manage to take over/get rid his hatred side. He just make a fool on himself actually. It bcus like I said before, he fought with his own self and not other person. Its like Sasuke controlling his own self using his own Genjutsu where I think couldnt happen.

2. Yes, he can.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

With all the inner agony every Uchiha has, they'd all lose battle one.

Anyone with MS and higher can beat Kurama.

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[SenseiSama]

No because the Sharingan comes form the RinneSharingan which is the source of the Curse of hatred. Every Uchiha is born with the curse and only very few like Shisui and Itachi can resist it.

Sasuke would have not been able to get rid of his hatred through the fountain because as Indra's transmigrant his chakra was the closest to Kaguya's and therefore the curse was on him more than anybody else. It would take a lot more than a meditation session for him to be free of his hatred.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

It's not about a Sharingan, it's the user who weilds the Sharingan. In Fight 1 let's take Sasuke for example he won't be able to win because he can't overcome his hatred at that point. It's about willpower and able to get rid of the darkness in you but Sasuke was consumed with hatred. He won't be ble to see the light till later. Other users such as Shisui or Itachi would win.

Sharingan stomps in Fight 2 because with a 3T a Sharingan could see inside a Jinchuriki and control it. MS and higher is absoultely a given win for the MS users.

 

[SenseiSama]

It's not about a Sharingan, it's the user who weilds the Sharingan. In Fight 1 let's take Sasuke for example he won't be able to win because he can't overcome his hatred at that point. It's about willpower and able to get rid of the darkness in you but Sasuke was consumed with hatred. He won't be ble to see the light till later. Other users such as Shisui or Itachi would win.

Sharingan stomps in Fight 2 because with a 3T a Sharingan could see inside a Jinchuriki and control it. MS and higher is absoultely a given win for the MS users.

Sharingan isn't winning in fight 2 because Sasuke would get his mind consumed by Kurama's will immediately. Suppressing Kurama's chakra when he's sealed behind a cage in someone else's body is not the same as suppressing Kurama when he's free and about to take your body.

Sasuke's lacks the mental strength and the sealing talent to tame the strongest bijuu and as a result his mind and body will end up being consumed like part 1 Gaara.

In addition, he lacks the chakra required to suppress Kyuubi's chakra and use it as his own because being a Jinchuuriki of the strongest tailed beast requires a strong body that's not possible without Naruto's bloodline as implied by Kurama.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

the second one they can suppress the kyuubi's chakra and do work to pull the chakra out. the dark version of themselves they are not winning.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

1. Sharingan couldnt influence Sasuke's own consciousness(hatred consciousness).

He was not fighting other person but his own spiritual awareness that govern over his hatred and darkness

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He need to fight his own self with real effort and mental strength and not by manipulation. Controlling his hatred self using Sharingan for a moment doesnt mean he manage to take over/get rid his hatred side. He just make a fool on himself actually. It bcus like I said before, he fought with his own self and not other person. Its like Sasuke controlling his own self using his own Genjutsu where I think couldnt happen.

2. Yes, he can.

And Naruto could not face his dark side until he was by that waterfall because every incident before that the Kyuubi took over so the sharingan not controlling sasuke's darkness is not an excuse really. The thing is Sasuke is already in control of his dark self

No because the Sharingan comes form the RinneSharingan which is the source of the Curse of hatred. Every Uchiha is born with the curse and only very few like Shisui and Itachi can resist it.

Sasuke would have not been able to get rid of his hatred through the fountain because as Indra's transmigrant his chakra was the closest to Kaguya's and therefore the curse was on him more than anybody else. It would take a lot more than a meditation session for him to be free of his hatred.

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Obito resisting the juubi proves that wrong.

 

[Ansatsuken]

And Naruto could not face his dark side until he was by that waterfall because every incident before that the Kyuubi took over so the sharingan not controlling sasuke's darkness is not an excuse really

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Obito resisting the juubi proves that wrong.

How can Sharingan control a concept dude? answer me please.

I will give you a lesson if you fail to answer it.

This matter need a deep understanding. You cant just lash out a counter if you dont understand the basic of it.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

How can Sharingan control a concept dude? answer me please.

A concept is a thought, Genjutsu manipulates thoughts. That's like Saying Itachi couldn't use Koto on Shisui with the crow because it's his own Genjutsu. The Uchiha arent' easily manipulated. The Fox would never be able to trick an Uchiha into giving over their body for the same reason Sasuke poped the bubble in Naruto's mind

 

[Ansatsuken]

A concept is a thought, Genjutsu manipulates thoughts. That's like Saying Itachi couldn't use Koto on Shisui with the crow because it's his own Genjutsu. The Uchiha arent' easily manipulated. The Fox would never be able to trick an Uchiha into giving over their body for the same reason Sasuke poped the bubble in Naruto's mind

Does concept have a chakra on its own if not the user him self? You failed to understand what actually happen to Naruto. He battling his own conceptual self. Conceptual self never need a chakra bcus it not living as an entity but a concept.

If you manage to overcome your hatred it will go poof,

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Bcus it was just a concept.

Genjutsu controlling the chakra that reside inside someone where it can influence victim mind and not a concept like thought in their nature state.

If Sasuke using a genjutsu on his own awareness , he actually using Genjutsu on his own self to control his own self where it will not defeat his own hatred.

And your comparison there(Itachi and Shisui) tell me you dont understand it.

 

[lndra]

1. No.
2. I believe so.

 

[Jokule67]

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This doesnt mean a thing bro. You dont have to fight the juubi.

And this scan doesnt compare to the waterfall fight at all.

 

[Jokule67]

A concept is a thought, Genjutsu manipulates thoughts. That's like Saying Itachi couldn't use Koto on Shisui with the crow because it's his own Genjutsu. The Uchiha arent' easily manipulated. The Fox would never be able to trick an Uchiha into giving over their body for the same reason Sasuke poped the bubble in Naruto's mind

Full Kyuubi isnt a bubble. 3tomoe isnt stopping Kyuubi. He needs to unlock MS first. When are you gonna realize this and stop trying to make Naruto's feats look small.

Sasuke didnt kill his inner hatred till said "I lost", sharingan doesnt save you from hate it pushes deep in it.

And because of this that he will never beat Kuruma who feeds on that hate the moment your chakra connects to his. 3tomoe is not enough for him, Hebi Sasuke is not stronger than Kurama. Its MS Sasuke that is equal to SM Naruto.

BRO FIND A NEW HOBBY AND SASUKE IS NOT A JIN NEVER WILL BE. STOP BEING JEALOUS.

 

[Aznkidd]

1. No.
2. I believe so.

2. replace Rin with Sakura ? :lol

 

[Umari Senju]

Why are trying to make the Sharingan out to be more than it is? The Sharingan is the genetic result of of emotional trauma. Not some object that just works on all and every situation. The examples you gave are a battle of the self and not an actual physical battle. You need a strong will to win these fights. Sharingan has no part to play in those example.

 

[Shogo Makishima]

1. No

2. Yes

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

It wasn't Obito's sharingan that stopped him from being ripped apart, it was his own willpower.

Also no jutsu would help against your own inner turmoil and thoughts, the waterfall isn't really an entity or an illusion. It seems to be pretty literal.