Could Tayuya have beaten Temari if it wasn't for Shikamaru?

Would intel change the outcome?


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Shikamaru gives Temari a detailed analysis of Tayuya's abilities while Tayuya retreated ( )( )( ). Temari herself asked for this analysis and Temari's 2nd databook made mention of this and suggested that a detailed analysis is the to victory. Intel being the cornerstone to victory implies that intel is essential to victory hence no intel means no victory. At least in the context of Temari VS Tayuya because that's what the databook is talking about considering that's when Temari said those words which the databook emphasized.

Temari would have thought Tayuya ran away ( ) from the fight if it wasn't for Shikamaru telling her that she's still around.

Even with the sense of urgency that Shikamaru talked with, before . If Tayuya was even a few seconds faster, Temari would be under genjutsu allowing Tayuya to have her way with her. That is, unless Temari can break the genjutsu which is doubtful based on Shikamaru thinking it is over for them. He was wrong but that was because of KKM which doesn't help if Temari's already under genjutsu.

Below is Temari's 2nd databook entry for reference. Relevant parts are bolded.
Databook 2 - Temari Show
Page 110-111 Temari

Writing beside face:
私の力を見誤るんじゃないよ・・・
Don’t misjudge my strength…

Top info box:
忍者登録番号 63-004
Ninja number 63-004

誕生日 8月23日 (16歳・おとめ座)
Birthday 23rd of August (Age 16 || Virgo)

身長 159.3cm 体重 44.9kg 血液型 O型
Height 159.3cm Weight 44.9kg Blood type O

性格 大胆、思慮深い
Character Bold, deep thinking

好きな食べ物 甘栗、けんちん汁
Favourite foods Sweet roasted chestnuts, kenchin soup (?)

嫌いな食べ物 イカ、タコ
Hated foods Squid, octopus

戦ってみたい相手 奈良シカマル
Desired opponent Nara Shikamaru

好きな言葉 一望千里
Favourite phrase A wide open landscape

趣味 植物鑑賞
Hobby Plant observing .. plant watching?

Bottom info box:
忍者学校卒業年齢 12歳 中忍昇格年齢 -
Age at graduation 12 Age at promotion to Chuunin –

任務経験
Missions

D rank - ? C rank – 9
B rank – 1 A rank – 1
S rank – 1

Top left picture, speech:
私は来たばかりだ
I just got here.

奴の能力と戦闘スタイルに分析を加えて || 今の状況を簡潔に説明しろ
Give me a brief description of the current situation || and an analysis of her abilities and fighting style.

Top left picture, caption:
危機的状況下でも、決して慌てることのないテマリ。綿密な分析が、勝利への礎となる。
Even in a crisis, Temari never panics. A detailed analysis is the keystone to victory.

Big heading:
砂の轟風 大胆華麗に吹き荒れん!!
A fearless and glorious thundering tempest of sand!!

2nd paragraph:
あの我愛羅とカンクロウの姉だけあって、風を操るその実力は相当なもの。状況を冷静に観察しながらも、ここぞと見れば一気に動く。戦闘におけるバランス感覚は、姉弟中一番だろう。
Being the older sister of Gaara and Kankurō, her own ability of wind control is formidable. She surveys the situation calmly, and moves the instant she spots an opening. Her sense of balance in combat is probably the best out of her siblings.

2nd picture, caption:
←巨大扇子から巻き起こる風は、戦況に応じ様々な効果を発揮。攻防自在の、テマリの得意忍術。
The wind blown up by her giant fan controls various effects depending on the situation. It is Temari’s speciality ninjutsu, combining attack and defense.

3rd picture, speech:
どんなもんだ?
How was that?

3rd picture, caption:
音忍を倒し得意気なテマリ。この笑顔もまた彼女の一面なのだ。
Temari, glowing proudly after defeating a Sound shinobi. This smile is another side of her.

3rd paragraph:
好戦的で残虐性ばかりが目立つテマリだが、時折、子供のような無邪気な表情を見せることもある。また、弟二人を持つ姉の立場からか、他人を気遣う優しい一面も持ち合わせている。
Temari’s cruel and warlike nature stands out. However, at times, she has an innocent childlike expression. Also, perhaps because she has two younger brothers, a part of her is kind and considerate of others.

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I doubt you even read. So would you place Tayuya above SRA Temari in a tier list?
You said it yourself :lol Temari thought Tayuya had run away and with no intel I'm pretty sure the sound genjutsu would've hit her. I wouldn't rank SRA Temari below Tayuya because those are unfair circumstances anyway.
 
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Without Intel tayuya would take out temari. Which temari are we talking here?
The Temari that fought Tayuya because that's the one that I reference when showcasing the scenario. War Arc Temari would win low difficulty considering she can kill Tayuya with her okamaitachi or WCN and Tayuya can't react to it as she to a .

You said it yourself :lol Temari thought Tayuya had run away and with no intel I'm pretty sure the sound genjutsu would've hit her. I wouldn't rank SRA Temari below Tayuya because of those are unfair circumstances anyway.
I thought you didn't read because you posted so fast, sorry.

Anyway, yeah but I used to rank SRA Temari at low jounin, Tayuya at high chuunin and SRA Shikamaru at mid chuunin, CE Temari and CE Shikamaru at low chuunin. Now I think I'll move SRA Temari down to high chuunin or I move Tayuya to low jounin and SRA Shikamaru to high chuunin. I think moving SRA Temari down is better.

TBH, Temari beating Tayuya was also unfair.
 
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Bruh. Obviously Tayuya would have shit. Such a broken character. If Shikamaru didn't inform Temari on the Sound Genjutsu, and went in blind like Shikamaru THE SMARTEST NINJA from Pt.1 excluding his dad, and a few others, she would've been defeated quicker than Shika. That's just facts.
 

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Bruh. Obviously Tayuya would have shit. Such a broken character. If Shikamaru didn't inform Temari on the Sound Genjutsu, and went in blind like Shikamaru THE SMARTEST NINJA from Pt.1 excluding his dad, and a few others, she would've been defeated quicker than Shika. That's just facts.
Before or after sound genjutsu?
 

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Shikamaru first fought Tayuya in CS1 where she used her dokis. Would Tayuya have to resort to sound genjutsu or could she have finished the fight early on?
Honestly. If Tayuya was 100% I could see her not having to use Sound Genjutsu, seeing as the 9th Verse being ghostly chakra, unable to be hit by both elemental ninjutsu, and physicality, those alone would solo Temari believe it or not. They eat the users physical chakra, on top of consistently pursuing their target; insatiable leeches basically.

But if Tayuya wanted to end the MU quickly, yes Sound Genjutsu would be all it takes to OHKO her.
 

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My interpretation of the situation was that Temari wouldn't have opted for going for a large-scale jutsu that could target Tayuya even if she were hidden hadn't she known that Tayuya's fighting style revolves around using the environment to her advantage in the first place. I'm not necessarily sure how she would've handled the fight though.
 

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Honestly. If Tayuya was 100% I could see her not having to use Sound Genjutsu, seeing as the 9th Verse being ghostly chakra, unable to be hit by both elemental ninjutsu, and physicality, those alone would solo Temari believe it or not. They eat the users physical chakra, on top of consistently pursuing their target; insatiable leeches basically.
Temari can simply retreat like Shikamaru did and prepare KKM and catch Tayuya off guard in that scenario. Unless it is full intel in which case as soon as Temari retreats, Tayuya changes to sound genjutsu catching Temari off guard. This fight is basically who catches the other off guard.
 

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Temari can simply retreat like Shikamaru did and prepare KKM and catch Tayuya off guard in that scenario. Unless it is full intel in which case as soon as Temari retreats, Tayuya changes to sound genjutsu catching Temari off guard. This fight is basically who catches the other off guard.
That could be the case, if Tayuya just doesn't one shot with Sound Genjutsu. Once Tayuya does such, it's literally done, and over. There is no reacting to Sound in the bullshit manner Kishimoto allowed Temari to do in their encounter, if there is no prior knowledge. Even with prior knowledge, that shouldn't have happened.

Temari vs Tayuya with no intel = Tayuya wins instantly via Sound Genjutsu

Temari vs Tayuya with full intel = Debate able, though I favor Tayuya.
 

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You said it yourself :lol Temari thought Tayuya had run away and with no intel I'm pretty sure the sound genjutsu would've hit her. I wouldn't rank SRA Temari below Tayuya because those are unfair circumstances anyway.
Nerd who gives a reason for editing a post, and grammar at that
Ot: I agree
 

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That could be the case, if Tayuya just doesn't one shot with Sound Genjutsu. Once Tayuya does such, it's literally done, and over. There is no reacting to Sound in the bullshit manner Kishimoto allowed Temari to do in their encounter, if there is no prior knowledge. Even with prior knowledge, that shouldn't have happened.

Temari vs Tayuya with no intel = Tayuya wins instantly via Sound Genjutsu

Temari vs Tayuya with full intel = Debate able, though I favor Tayuya.
Temari already canonically blew away straight forward sound genjutsu. The only way to catch Temari in it is if Temari doesn't know when and/or where it is coming from else Tayuya wouldn't have hide herself in the forest.

I don't think Tayuya would resort to sound genjutsu immediately in a no intel scenario. She didn't until her doki were rendered useless.
 

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Temari already canonically blew away straight forward sound genjutsu. The only way to catch Temari in it is if Temari doesn't know when and/or where it is coming from else Tayuya wouldn't have hide herself in the forest.

I don't think Tayuya would resort to sound genjutsu immediately in a no intel scenario. She didn't until her doki were rendered useless.
I literally just said the underlined lol.

Majority of VS matches are Out of Character. Majority of Character Analysis threads piggy back off of x character being Out of Character.

No Intel = Tayuya wins OC, or even in.
 

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I literally just said the underlined lol.

Majority of VS matches are Out of Character. Majority of Character Analysis threads piggy back off of x character being Out of Character.

No Intel = Tayuya wins OC, or even in.
That might be the case but I wanted to discuss a particular scenario with you if we put Temari in Shika's position when the dokis come out.
 
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