Could prime Hiruzen have defeated Orochimaru and his Edos?

[Owarij]

Oro said it, Databook said it ...yes

 

[Bogard]

same if he was 10 year younger he wins the match if he goes prime he dominates the match (including endos)

Dominating and winning are 2 thing different. How could he seal the Edos after dominating them?

 

[Exaar]

It simply implies that if Hiruzen was younger, he could have took all Orochimaru's soul with the RDS instead of only taking his arms

It states that it might of ended differently.

This could mean both, He could of Won and come out alive, Or that he could of Killed Oro along with himself.

 

[Bogard]

No, he would still have to use RDS to seal them, and still end up dying.

It's possible that Oro would get sealed too, but this guy trolled totsuka so.....

He couldn't use RDS in his prime

 

[Saikyokami]

he already beat them edos cant be beat unless sealed or the user releases the jutsu which oro had no intention of doing

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Well orochimaru wasn't trying so...

 

[Bogard]

It states that it might of ended differently.

This could mean both, He could of Won and come out alive, Or that he could of Killed Oro along with himself.

Problem is that he has no sealing techniques other than RDS what he could not use in his prime

 

[MickNerks]

Databook says he would have won 10 year earlier, and that still wouldnt have been his prime, so a prime hiruzen would no doubt have won that batlle. Most likely sel the edo's with four symbol seal or trap them in lava or something.

 

[jordan1]

Its not possible to give an accurate answer we don't even know anything about the guy but IMO he probably could :Shrug:

 

[Bogard]

Databook says he would have won 10 year earlier, and that still wouldnt have been his prime, so a prime hiruzen would no doubt have won that batlle. Most likely sel the edo's with four symbol seal or trap them in lava or something.

Since when Hiruzen can use the 4symbol seal? That's Minato's technique

 

[Words of wisdom]

In the databooks it said if he was 59 he would e defeated orochimarus without dying

 

[Exaar]

Problem is that he has no sealing techniques other than RDS what he could not use in his prime

Well since the man is said to of mastered all the leafs jutsu's and easily has over 1000 Jutsu's, I would be completely shocked if he only has the one sealing tech.

I believe the only reason he used it was because he didn't have the chakra nor time to seal them one at a time. Him being younger and having more chakra would solve this problem.

(he learnt RDS from minato, Why not other seals also.)

 

[MickNerks]

Since when Hiruzen can use the 4symbol seal? That's Minato's technique

So was the death reaper seal.. He could have learned both or all.

 

[Bogard]

Well since the man is said to of mastered all the leafs jutsu's and easily has over 1000 Jutsu's, I would be completely shocked if he only has the one sealing tech.

I believe the only reason he used it was because he didn't have the chakra nor time to seal them one at a time. Him being younger and having more chakra would solve this problem.

(he learnt RDS from minato, Why not other seals also.)

He said RDS was his only way, which means he had no other sealing techniques:

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[Chef Boy RD]

Wow! First of all the databook says that the fight could have been differently, not that it would have. Second of all, it still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen knows no fuuinjutsus to get rid of the Edo Tenseis (if he knew any other ones he wouldn't have used Shiki Fuujin now would he?)

Edit: Wow, either people are purposely being biased, or their reading/comprehension skills are that of a grade schooler. When the databook makes that statement, it is talking about Sandaime's use of the Shiki Fuujin, hence its comment, "...difference between life and death... is age" Orochimaru lived because of Sarutobi's age. Had Sarutobi been younger, then he could have pulled out all of Orochimaru's soul instead of just partial. The scan even concludes and surmises by pretty much saying, "nonetheless, Sarutobi laid down a harsh punishment for Orochimaru by sealing his use of jutsus (paraphrased)".

Well since the man is said to of mastered all the leafs jutsu's and easily has over 1000 Jutsu's, I would be completely shocked if he only has the one sealing tech.

Lol, no. So many people say this that it isn't even funny anymore. Logic 101: a ninja can only use ninjutsus inside his element. Hiruzen is Doton/Katon, therefore we won't see him using a suiton jutsu. Therefore he hasn't mastered all of Konoha's ninjutsus. Never did it state that he was capable of using all of Konoha's jutsus either, that's just fanboys misinterpreting a statement.

And you said this easily gives him over 1000 jutsus? Name 1000 jutsus in Naruto, canon and non canon alike... Oh wait, you can't huh?


Summary: It would have been the same, the only way for him to get rid of the Edo Tenseis is to seal them. The only Fuuinjutsu he knows is Shiki Fuujin, so he still dies. Even fanboys must understand this most basic logic.

 

[markdabomb22]

Yes the databook imply's so

 

[Exaar]

He said RDS was his only way, which means he had no other sealing techniques:

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That doesn't mean it's the only sealing Tech.

It simply means its the only way for him to Defeat them and Oro.

Hiruzen's chakra was very Poor, he didn't have the chakra to draw out the fight to even attempt to seal them one at a time, That wouldn't of worked he would of lost if he attempted to do this.
So he decided to go all or nothing by using RDS. So yes in this case it was the only way.

Again i shall say it.
It's stated he knows how to use all Jutsu's existing in the leaf, He learnt RDS from Minato, So why wouldn't he even think to learn Other sealing techs from Minato/kushina. It's quite absurd to think Hiruzen in all his years never bothered to learn sealing techs or master any.

 

[Bogard]

That doesn't mean it's the only sealing Tech.

It simply means its the only way for him to Defeat them and Oro.

Hiruzen's chakra was very Poor, he didn't have the chakra to draw out the fight to even attempt to seal them one at a time, That wouldn't of worked he would of lost if he attempted to do this.
So he decided to go all or nothing by using RDS. So yes in this case it was the only way.

Sure that it could have been another reason

Again i shall say it.
It's stated he knows how to use all Jutsu's existing in the leaf, He learnt RDS from Minato, So why wouldn't he even think to learn Other sealing techs from Minato/kushina. It's quite absurd to think Hiruzen in all his years never bothered to learn sealing techs or master any.

Make sense but you forget one thing. Neither Minato, nor Kushina were existing in his prime to begin to teach him sealing techniques to begin with :|

 

[Exaar]

Sure that it could have been another reason


Make sense but you forget one thing. Neither Minato, nor Kushina were existing in his prime to begin to teach him sealing techniques to begin with :|

I'm sure sealing Techs existed in the Leaf long befor Minato/kushina arrived.

Also Hiruzen learnt RDS from minato, while he was past his prime, So learning other seals from them isn't bad assumption.

Even though he was old, I doubt that stopped him from trying to learn new jutsu's.

 

[Bogard]

I'm sure sealing Techs existed in the Leaf long befor Minato/kushina arrived.

Also Hiruzen learnt RDS from minato, while he was past his prime, So learning other seals from them isn't bad assumption.

Even though he was old, I doubt that stopped him from trying to learn new jutsu's.

I'm not sure if it's stated somewhere, but when was Hiruzen's prime exactly? I think he was 55 or something when Minato/Kushina died, but i suppose he already passed his prime at that moment