[Theory] Could Obito have surpassed Madara if he had both eyes?

Would Obito have surpassed Madara?

  • Yes he would have surpassed Madara

    Votes: 13 76.5%
  • No Madara would still pwn his ass

    Votes: 4 23.5%

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Namikaze Haru

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It seems kishi seems to have a thing for trolling the actual strong characters, i mean obito giving away his eye coz he thinks hes gona die, nagato losing his legs to a to explosive tags, itachi having an unknown illness and minato dying before reaching his full potential (incomplete rasengan and such).

But back to the point, i think the last chapter confirmed that obito was briefly able to use his mangekyo to escape from the rest of the rocks (although he did it unconsciously). you awaken the mangekyo when losing someone close to you. i remember someone made a thread about how it could have been the reverse for obito. as he thought he was dying, he was losing his best friends and in turn awakened the mangekyo.

Now madara confirmed in the last chapter that you need both eyes to use the full potential of the sharingan. now we have seen obito manage to match minato using only 1 of his eyes (although he was eventually outsmarted). after minato, no one was able to even touch him til when konan finally forced him to reveal his other eye which he used for izanagi. he now has nagato's rinnegan and was able to control 6 tailed beasts, has gedo mazo and was able to control kurama in the past.

now madara has obtained the rinnegan through unknown measures, i think it most likely has something to do with obtaining hashirama's power. the sage of the six paths was the uchiha and senju in 1, and madara now possessing both powers awakened the rinnegan. this is also why madara's susanoo is so powerful and massive in size. Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance as well as colour between users. the uchiha were not known for having huge chakra levels whereas the senju and uzumaki were. an uchiha with the MS or EMS would have a normal sized susanoo like itachi and sasuke. an uchiha with senju dna could have a susanoo like madaras (not definite).

madara used hashirama's dna to save obito's life meaning he like madara posesses both powers. although he has not used mokuton, he does possess some zetsu like features. if obito had both eyes, he would have been able to use susanoo and awaken the rinnegan like madara, all that plus his S/T techniques. although madara's MS techniques are not known yet (its not been confirmed that he can use tsukuyomi or amaterasu) i think obito would have surpassed him if not for kishi lol xd.

For those who will say that obito does not possess EMS. it has not been confirmed that you need EMS to advance to rinnegan. If im correct EMS only
stops you going blind. Obito has been using his MS for years and not gone blind yet.

this is my opinion but what do u think?
could he have surpassed madara if he had both eyes?
 

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maybe Obito is after his own left eye, cuz at Chapter 597 i guess Obito said to kakashi he is not afraid of some borrowed Power. So he maybe wants to achieve his full potential?
 

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in order to use susanoo you need to be able to use amaterasu and tsukuyomi, so madara can use them.
uchicha are known for having high chakra levels.
i am led to believe that you do need the eternal mengekyou to unlock the rinnegan.
 

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Nice observation , and I really don't know tbh xd

I think with madara's help he has gotten to where he is today xd
I mean we can assume Madara trained him .. without his training I doubt Obito would be as strong as he is now, maybe a little weaker as it seems Madara taught him how to utilize his powers xd

However, if Obito we say Obito is as strong as he is today like fully trained etc .. and he had both eyes then yes I think he may well surpass Madara. If he gained EMS somehow he has the potential to create a perfect susanoo because now he has two eyes and if he is as intelligent as he is now thanks to Madara then he should be able to. Also if he then advanced to rinnegan and he had the knowledge he has now then yes I would say defo, because he has the Juubi etc ..

But really if we are talking about Obito on his own with 2 eyes this would mean he never met Madara so he would never have trained with him, therefore, no I don't think he would surpass him because he lacks a lot of knowledge Madara has given him through training etc..

However, if Obito has two eyes the way he is now and he was able to evolve MS - EMS - Rinnegan , then yes I do believe he would of surpassed him :)
 

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Good read. Rep, and I agree that there is a chance he could...
 

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in order to use susanoo you need to be able to use amaterasu and tsukuyomi, so madara can use them.
uchicha are known for having high chakra levels.
i am led to believe that you do need the eternal mengekyou to unlock the rinnegan.

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to use susanoo u need to be able to control the double magekyo, i haven't seen madara use tsukuyomi or amaterasu
uchiha are known for having powerful chakra not high chakra levels, theres a difference
when tobi talks about the tablet and kabuto talks about the advancement thay both say sharingan, mangekyo sharingan then rinnegan, so it is not confirmed you need EMS
 

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I doubt he'd surpass Madara.
If not for Madara's training he would've remained a pathetic excuse for an uchiha, if he would even survive.

And besides that, you probably need an EMS to unlock the rinnegan, wich is also something Tobi lacks.
 

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Nice observation , and I really don't know tbh xd

I think with madara's help he has gotten to where he is today xd
I mean we can assume Madara trained him .. without his training I doubt Obito would be as strong as he is now, maybe a little weaker as it seems Madara taught him how to utilize his powers xd

However, if Obito we say Obito is as strong as he is today like fully trained etc .. and he had both eyes then yes I think he may well surpass Madara. If he gained EMS somehow he has the potential to create a perfect susanoo because now he has two eyes and if he is as intelligent as he is now thanks to Madara then he should be able to. Also if he then advanced to rinnegan and he had the knowledge he has now then yes I would say defo, because he has the Juubi etc ..

But really if we are talking about Obito on his own with 2 eyes this would mean he never met Madara so he would never have trained with him, therefore, no I don't think he would surpass him because he lacks a lot of knowledge Madara has given him through training etc..

However, if Obito has two eyes the way he is now and he was able to evolve MS - EMS - Rinnegan , then yes I do believe he would of surpassed him :)

yup i mean the current obito with 2 eyes
 

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I doubt he'd surpass Madara.
If not for Madara's training he would've remained a pathetic excuse for an uchiha, if he would even survive.

And besides that, you probably need an EMS to unlock the rinnegan, wich is also something Tobi lacks.

like i said, it is not definite that you need EMS, and i forgot mention something interesting, y did obito want shisui's right eye when he already has a right eye? could they be related since shisui also has MS?
BTW guys i am talking about the current obito with madara's training and intel
 

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Look how strong he is with one eye itachi and Sasuke hav two and he surpasses them
 
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