[Theory] Could Kin'emon and Momonosuke be the next Strawhats?

[24 12 11 to troll]

I know that there are a lot of realistic Strawhat Candidates. Kin'emon, Koala, Bartolomeo, Viola, Kyros, Rebecca. Okay, so there's a lot.

Note: DON'T MENTION JINBE. WE ALREADY KNOW HE'S LIKELY TO JOIN. BUT BASED ON CHRONOLOGY HE ISN'T JOINING ANY TIME SOON.

I might post a theory for each of the main candidates, but out of all of them Kin'emon and Momonosuke, Viola and Bartolomeo are my favourites.

Personally, I believe one of Viola or Bartolomeo will join at the end of this arc and Kin'emon will join at the end of the Wanokuni arc

So: Kin'emon is a strong candidate for several reasons:
1. He fits a lot of patterns WITHIN the crew
2. He conforms to all of the recruitment trends so far
3. He probably has a sad backstory

Patterns within the crew:
1. He is based off of a real person or extended fiction. As is common knowledge, the Strawhats are based off of:
-Monkey D. Luffy = Eiichiro Oda as a child as he's meant to behave how Oda saw himself as a child
-Roronoa Zoro = Francois L'Ollonais and El Zorro based on personality, swordsmanship and pronounciation of his name
-Usopp = The Boy Who Cried Wolf and Aesopp because of his lies and his epic storytelling
-Sanji = Steve Buschemi and Romeo due to his chivalry sense and appearance
-Nami = Catwoman because of her ability to steal and her initial allegiances with somebody other than the Strawhats themeselves
-Tony Tony Chopper = Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer for obvious reasons
-Nico Robin = Cinderella based on her backstory and her ability to avoid the World Government
-Franky = Popeye the Sailorman and Ace Ventura based on pre timeskip appearances and personality
-Brook = An undead Sailor from 'Paradise Lost' as they share the same backstory

Kin'emon is based upon a man named Nakamura Kinnosuke, whom is an actor that has often played the role of a Samurai, famous for his obscure fashion sense (which relates to the Clothing Devil Fruit), and being a flatulist - a talent Kin'emon also has.

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2. He fits the Swordsman trend
If he joins, there will be three swordsmen with three different numbers of swords and different ranges of the temperature scale will be explored.

We have Brook, the one sworded Ice user, Kin'emon, the two sworded Fire user and Zoro, the three sworded non elemental user.

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3. He fits the perversion trend
We have Brook and Sanji. Franky too, but he's more expressive of himself than an interest in women. This is where Kin'emon fits in

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4. The Devil Fruits and their numbers
Each Strawhat possessing a Devil Fruit so far can have the name of the fruit translated into numbers up to 10. Each Japanese number has several ways of pronounciation, but generally:
Gomu = 5-6 -> Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Mi
Hito = 1-10 -> Chopper's Hito Hito no Mi
Hana = 8-7 -> Robin's Hana Hana no Mi
Yomi = 4-3 -> Brook's Yomi Yomi no Mi

The last two numbers are 2 and 9. Although these can be pronounce as "nikyu", which symbolises Kuma's Nikyu Nikyu no Mi. This likely simply foreshadowed his protection of the ship. 2 and 9 can also be pronounced "bari", like Bartolomeo's Bari Bari no Mi AND can also be pronounced "fuku". The Fuku Fuku no Mi translates to Guise Guise fruit and would be the same fruit that Kin'emon has eaten.

Conforms to recruitment trends so far:
It is important to note that there has always been a few exceptions (namely Brook and Robin as they accepted invitations straight away) recruitment trend. Traditionally speaking, a Strawhat will initially reject the invitation, often although not always due to allegiances or commitments elsewhere until they're urged to go. Every new Strawhat will find a common shared enemy with the main crew and

Here is a list:
-Roronoa Zoro = Had a commitment to his bet with Helmeppo, whom along with Morgan a common enemy he shared
-Usopp = He was still very much loyal to his friends, particularly Kaya, he found the shared enemy in Klahadore
-Sanji = Was dedicated to Zeff and the Baratie whom found his common enemy in the Krieg pirates
-Nami = Was dedicated to buying Kokoyashi off of Arlong who was also the common enemy shared with the crew
-Tony Tony Chopper = Dedicated to Dr. Kureha and found Wapol, Chess and Marimo as common enemies
-Nico Robin = Dedicated to her goal and, in a sense, Baroque Works, she later found Croc to be a common enemy
-Franky = He had the Franky Brothers. He found CP9 to be his common enemy
-Brook = He was dedicated to finding his shadow and Moriah was the shared opponent

You could even fit Jinbe into this as he has allegiances to Fishman Island and "Unfinished Business". Hody Jones was, yet again, a shared enemy

Now Kin'emon has commitments to Wano and his son, although still unexplained. He's found common enemies in Doflamingo and Caesar. It's also important to note that a couple of Strawhats were introduced far beyond when they actually joined the crew. For example; Nami was introduced in chapter 6 but only officially joined in chapter 87. Robin, first introduced in chapter 114, only officially joined in chapter 218. Now Kin'emon was introduced in chapter 656, but could join by the end of the Wano Arc. It's important to note that there are 4 arcs between both Nami and Robin joining the crew and their debut. And since there Dressrosa arc is the second of the two arcs since his introduction on Punk Hazard, with the Zou arc next and following that Wano (aka 4 Arcs), it's still likely he could join. Remember, he despised pirates and already declined an invitation, much like:
-Zoro - Despised Pirates and declined an invitation
-Usopp - Declined an invitation
-Sanji - Declined an invitation
-Nami - Despised Pirates
-Chopper - Declined an invitation
-Robin - Despised Pirates and declined an invitation
-Franky - Despised Pirates and declined an invitation
This also plays into Kin'emon's favour.

He also most probably has a sad back story. Afterall, his country is at war, he lost his son, is somehow linked to Kaidou (and sh*tting bricks at the sound of his name)

Exta:
His ability will be incredibly useful and also comedic. It will help the Strawhats infiltrate enemy bases and sources of intelligence

I also included Momonosuke as his fruit has no name and no numbers and fits the trend, he also would not leave his father and could play the role of one of Shanks or Buggy as a cabin boy

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Wasn't Oda surprised about the DF number pattern? I doubt that he uses that as a reason for making a new nakama join.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Wasn't Oda surprised about the DF number pattern? I doubt that he uses that as a reason for making a new nakama join.

He does that with every question. He acts surprised so that he doesn't give away any foreshadowing so easily. He was also "surprised" Luffy's drawing of a Shipwright looked similar to Franky, for example

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Quite a few good points, although how I do agree they seem like good suiters to be SH's, I just don't see it in their character... Momonosuke starved himself just because those were the ways of the samurai, and Kin'emon took constant beating to not show signs of begging or pleading, even when he was just a head just because he found out that they were pirates. I have a feeling they will be friends with them, even though they're pirates, and when they go to Wano they will gain more allies from the trust that Kin'emon shows in them but I think that might be it. Their characteristics have just been portrayed in a way that I don't see them officially joining, as much as I wouldn't mind them doing
Really like some of the evidence you presented though, nice! You gotta show me where Oda based Luffy of his younger self, I had no idea about this and I'd like to read more if you could link me something

PS - How does Robin and Franky hate pirates? I remember Robin being sold out by pirates but then again, she was also sold out by just about everyone around her except Crocodile. And then with Franky, I only remember that his parents were pirates and that they abandoned him which I can imagine him disliking them (pirates in general) for that reason, but that's understandable... Apart from that I thought they both just despised the WG / marines...

PPS - Until reading this I forgot Franky's parents were pirates, think they'll meet in the new world at all??

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Quite a few good points, although how I do agree they seem like good suiters to be SH's, I just don't see it in their character... Momonosuke starved himself just because those were the ways of the samurai, and Kin'emon took constant beating to not show signs of begging or pleading, even when he was just a head just because he found out that they were pirates. I have a feeling they will be friends with them, even though they're pirates, and when they go to Wano they will gain more allies from the trust that Kin'emon shows in them but I think that might be it. Their characteristics have just been portrayed in a way that I don't see them officially joining, as much as I wouldn't mind them doing
Really like some of the evidence you presented though, nice! You gotta show me where Oda based Luffy of his younger self, I had no idea about this and I'd like to read more if you could link me something

PS - How does Robin and Franky hate pirates? I remember Robin being sold out by pirates but then again, she was also sold out by just about everyone around her except Crocodile. And then with Franky, I only remember that his parents were pirates and that they abandoned him which I can imagine him disliking them (pirates in general) for that reason, but that's understandable... Apart from that I thought they both just despised the WG / marines...

PPS - Until reading this I forgot Franky's parents were pirates, think they'll meet in the new world at all??

Kin'emon's values aren't too different from Sanji's

I was referring to the recruitment members. At the times before they were recruited; Franky and Robin despised Pirates.

I think Franky's parents are dead/would have been on Rogers ship, that'd be interesting

Bartolomeo and Viola have equally convincing cases to join. Monet, if she is alive (which she might be) also has a huge shout

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Kin'emon's values aren't too different from Sanji's

I was referring to the recruitment members. At the times before they were recruited; Franky and Robin despised Pirates.

I think Franky's parents are dead/would have been on Rogers ship, that'd be interesting

Bartolomeo and Viola have equally convincing cases to join. Monet, if she is alive (which she might be) also has a huge shout

Kin'emon's value the same as Sanji's? Going to have to elaborate here a bit Kin'emon think that's women are the lower end of the important spectrum and Sanji highly regards women as queens. This couldn't be more opposite :yeah:

Yeah, so was I with what I mentioned, I don't recall Franky or Robin mention / hint that they hate pirates other than the reasons I sated. Robin because she was betrayed by pirates, but then again she was betrayed by everyone as a child, marines, foster family's and just random ships she was seen on... Then I think I recall Franky mentioning something about pirates but I think it was just an association to his parent being pirates, ergo, he linked pirates with the same emotion sort of thing...

I hope they're not dead and dude!!!!! I hadn't thought of that, hmm, 22 years ago, they just might have been :O

 

[KingHashirama]

Nooo, i hope not. Don't like them.

I want Barto to be the next SH.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Nooo, i hope not. Don't like them.

I want Barto to be the next SH.

Me too! I think he suits very very well, although he's got a bit of a dark side that has sort of been swept away under the carpet which I think is good enough reason as to why he wouldn't

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Nooo, i hope not. Don't like them.

I want Barto to be the next SH.

Not gonna happen.

 

[KingHashirama]

Me too! I think he suits very very well, although he's got a bit of a dark side that has sort of been swept away under the carpet which I think is good enough reason as to why he wouldn't

yea. But i think Luffy now has his main "crew". He simply needs the side people. Like how BB, Shanks and etc have their main ones and then other people on the side.

Maybe Barto will simply be under Luffy, but have his own crew?

 

[Tomato God]

Patterns.... this was a good thread... i love Patterns.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

yea. But i think Luffy now has his main "crew". He simply needs the side people. Like how BB, Shanks and etc have their main ones and then other people on the side.

Maybe Barto will simply be under Luffy, but have his own crew?

Ahh in that sense yeah, very true so... But can you really see Luffy being like that? Me personally, I think he will have allies, he will rarely ever call on them but I think if word got out lets say of Luffy going to war with BB (just as an example), then others would WANT to help him and WOULD help him regardless if Luffy wants it or not, and he'd say something like "do whatever you want, just don't get my way" sort of thing xD

 

[Angelic.]

yeah but why would they become pirates and sail? i think theyll just go home

 

[KingHashirama]

Ahh in that sense yeah, very true so... But can you really see Luffy being like that? Me personally, I think he will have allies, he will rarely ever call on them but I think if word got out lets say of Luffy going to war with BB (just as an example), then others would WANT to help him and WOULD help him regardless if Luffy wants it or not, and he'd say something like "do whatever you want, just don't get my way" sort of thing xD

Oda better give him some "grown up" attitude tho, like taking command. X_X The "oh shit i'm clueless" won't fit luffy as a Pirate king imo.

But the thing is like right now Fishman island is under luffy, they have to respond to luffy if he calls them (unless they want it effed up). But luffy probably won't due to his personality , but the option is there.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

Nice thread. But if we were to go by your pattern,then there are others that would fill that position too. And also,I just don't see Kinemon becoming a pirate. He might end up as their ally but sailing the world together with them is just....

 

[keshav31]

I know that there are a lot of realistic Strawhat Candidates. Kin'emon, Koala, Bartolomeo, Viola, Kyros, Rebecca. Okay, so there's a lot.

Note: DON'T MENTION JINBE. WE ALREADY KNOW HE'S LIKELY TO JOIN. BUT BASED ON CHRONOLOGY HE ISN'T JOINING ANY TIME SOON.

I might post a theory for each of the main candidates, but out of all of them Kin'emon and Momonosuke, Viola and Bartolomeo are my favourites.

Personally, I believe one of Viola or Bartolomeo will join at the end of this arc and Kin'emon will join at the end of the Wanokuni arc

So: Kin'emon is a strong candidate for several reasons:
1. He fits a lot of patterns WITHIN the crew
2. He conforms to all of the recruitment trends so far
3. He probably has a sad backstory

Patterns within the crew:
1. He is based off of a real person or extended fiction. As is common knowledge, the Strawhats are based off of:
-Monkey D. Luffy = Eiichiro Oda as a child as he's meant to behave how Oda saw himself as a child
-Roronoa Zoro = Francois L'Ollonais and El Zorro based on personality, swordsmanship and pronounciation of his name
-Usopp = The Boy Who Cried Wolf and Aesopp because of his lies and his epic storytelling
-Sanji = Steve Buschemi and Romeo due to his chivalry sense and appearance
-Nami = Catwoman because of her ability to steal and her initial allegiances with somebody other than the Strawhats themeselves
-Tony Tony Chopper = Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer for obvious reasons
-Nico Robin = Cinderella based on her backstory and her ability to avoid the World Government
-Franky = Popeye the Sailorman and Ace Ventura based on pre timeskip appearances and personality
-Brook = An undead Sailor from 'Paradise Lost' as they share the same backstory

Kin'emon is based upon a man named Nakamura Kinnosuke, whom is an actor that has often played the role of a Samurai, famous for his obscure fashion sense (which relates to the Clothing Devil Fruit), and being a flatulist - a talent Kin'emon also has.

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2. He fits the Swordsman trend
If he joins, there will be three swordsmen with three different numbers of swords and different ranges of the temperature scale will be explored.

We have Brook, the one sworded Ice user, Kin'emon, the two sworded Fire user and Zoro, the three sworded non elemental user.

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3. He fits the perversion trend
We have Brook and Sanji. Franky too, but he's more expressive of himself than an interest in women. This is where Kin'emon fits in

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4. The Devil Fruits and their numbers
Each Strawhat possessing a Devil Fruit so far can have the name of the fruit translated into numbers up to 10. Each Japanese number has several ways of pronounciation, but generally:
Gomu = 5-6 -> Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Mi
Hito = 1-10 -> Chopper's Hito Hito no Mi
Hana = 8-7 -> Robin's Hana Hana no Mi
Yomi = 4-3 -> Brook's Yomi Yomi no Mi

The last two numbers are 2 and 9. Although these can be pronounce as "nikyu", which symbolises Kuma's Nikyu Nikyu no Mi. This likely simply foreshadowed his protection of the ship. 2 and 9 can also be pronounced "bari", like Bartolomeo's Bari Bari no Mi AND can also be pronounced "fuku". The Fuku Fuku no Mi translates to Guise Guise fruit and would be the same fruit that Kin'emon has eaten.

Conforms to recruitment trends so far:
It is important to note that there has always been a few exceptions (namely Brook and Robin as they accepted invitations straight away) recruitment trend. Traditionally speaking, a Strawhat will initially reject the invitation, often although not always due to allegiances or commitments elsewhere until they're urged to go. Every new Strawhat will find a common shared enemy with the main crew and

Here is a list:
-Roronoa Zoro = Had a commitment to his bet with Helmeppo, whom along with Morgan a common enemy he shared
-Usopp = He was still very much loyal to his friends, particularly Kaya, he found the shared enemy in Klahadore
-Sanji = Was dedicated to Zeff and the Baratie whom found his common enemy in the Krieg pirates
-Nami = Was dedicated to buying Kokoyashi off of Arlong who was also the common enemy shared with the crew
-Tony Tony Chopper = Dedicated to Dr. Kureha and found Wapol, Chess and Marimo as common enemies
-Nico Robin = Dedicated to her goal and, in a sense, Baroque Works, she later found Croc to be a common enemy
-Franky = He had the Franky Brothers. He found CP9 to be his common enemy
-Brook = He was dedicated to finding his shadow and Moriah was the shared opponent

You could even fit Jinbe into this as he has allegiances to Fishman Island and "Unfinished Business". Hody Jones was, yet again, a shared enemy

Now Kin'emon has commitments to Wano and his son, although still unexplained. He's found common enemies in Doflamingo and Caesar. It's also important to note that a couple of Strawhats were introduced far beyond when they actually joined the crew. For example; Nami was introduced in chapter 6 but only officially joined in chapter 87. Robin, first introduced in chapter 114, only officially joined in chapter 218. Now Kin'emon was introduced in chapter 656, but could join by the end of the Wano Arc. It's important to note that there are 4 arcs between both Nami and Robin joining the crew and their debut. And since there Dressrosa arc is the second of the two arcs since his introduction on Punk Hazard, with the Zou arc next and following that Wano (aka 4 Arcs), it's still likely he could join. Remember, he despised pirates and already declined an invitation, much like:
-Zoro - Despised Pirates and declined an invitation
-Usopp - Declined an invitation
-Sanji - Declined an invitation
-Nami - Despised Pirates
-Chopper - Declined an invitation
-Robin - Despised Pirates and declined an invitation
-Franky - Despised Pirates and declined an invitation
This also plays into Kin'emon's favour.

He also most probably has a sad back story. Afterall, his country is at war, he lost his son, is somehow linked to Kaidou (and sh*tting bricks at the sound of his name)

Exta:
His ability will be incredibly useful and also comedic. It will help the Strawhats infiltrate enemy bases and sources of intelligence

I also included Momonosuke as his fruit has no name and no numbers and fits the trend, he also would not leave his father and could play the role of one of Shanks or Buggy as a cabin boy

momo & kin cannot become SH but can be useful against kaido in wano kingdom(Assumption).If taking about sword fightes SH already has zoro & brook

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

momo & kin cannot become SH but can be useful against kaido in wano kingdom(Assumption).If taking about sword fightes SH already has zoro & brook

No sh*t Sherlock.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Oda better give him some "grown up" attitude tho, like taking command. X_X The "oh shit i'm clueless" won't fit luffy as a Pirate king imo.

But the thing is like right now Fishman island is under luffy, they have to respond to luffy if he calls them (unless they want it effed up). But luffy probably won't due to his personality , but the option is there.

He's gotta sort it out with Big Mom first, he said he's going to take her down AND THEN claim FI as his own
And that's just it, that's Luffy for you! He's never going to read a newspaper, going to continuously be arrogant to his surroundings and just basically do what he wants with his carefree and can do attitude... Even when he gets the title of Pirate King, he'll most likely be the same dude, or at least I think he will. Pirate King is the person with the most freedom on the seas and clueless or not, I'm fairly certain Luffy will manage that aha

 

[cptenn94]

momo & kin cannot become SH but can be useful against kaido in wano kingdom(Assumption).If taking about sword fightes SH already has zoro & brook

300 chapters ago

"Brook cannot join the SH fighters because the SH already have a swordsman. He can be useful against moria in thriller bark."

I dont have time to look up the exact chapter where brook was introduced, but literally the exact same reasoning for saying kinemon cannot join, would have applied to brook. Yet brook joined.

There are good reasons that kinemon might join, and might not. But there is NOTHING that says he cannot become SH.


Look at robin for instance. There was absolutely no reason for her to join the SH, all the way up until the time she just showed up on the ship. The only real time earlier would have been when she was with the ponegraph.




I agree with the op, in that kinemon would fit well in the crew. His ability would be especially useful as the SH are world famous, and instantly recognizable, and do not want to draw unneccessary attention. His fighting style would fit in with the crew(there is nothing wrong with a new swordsman).

Kinemon is not likely to join any time soon. And there would need to be a change in his motives/goals, for him to want to join the SH. But besides motivation there is nothing else stopping him from joining and fitting in.





So in conclusion, I have no idea who will be the next strawhat/s. Kinnemon could certainly join the SH crew at some time if his motives change.

Jimbe is going to join after taking care of unfinished business, and the SH growing in power(my opinion based on the fact he did actually accept the invitation)