Could Kakuzu and Hidan have done what Pain Could not?

[Shura]

Considering his size Hidan isn't more than a cockroach that won't be able to run away in time if Bunta decides to jump on top of him because of the range he covers, and Hidan isn't A, don't try to convince me he can.

Where did i ever suggested that? The lightning armour is suppose to stimulate the brain in order to achieve maximum speed not give an outstanding protection. That was high level fuuton done by Temari + other wind release users and did enough damage for Temari to call the sealing team. What difference would the armour make? Its their resilient bodies that are impressive.

You bring stats then you say they don't make a difference, fantastic. Still takes time and they still can put up a little fight. About Karui:

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> this is much stronger than Karui and they didn't disperse. There're many other examples, deny all you want, i don't feel like searching everywhere.

You brought the off topic subject of Hidan's stamina, you're the one supposed to say how is that relevant.

The paper was seen last time in her hand. No such thing as dropping was ever implied.

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> clearly he couldn't stand. Nor here:

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. And stood always in the same place the rest of the fight until Oro retreated.

Its was a Chunin fodder ninja who took a rasengan and was still talking and would eventually recover. Still, it was the normal size rasengan.

That sounds desperate. The whole point of the blades is to infuse chakra in them making them more lethal and augment their RANGE, Asuma was weak at that time and he wanted a clean cut. I don't see how is this a proof of Hidan's durability, specially when they had no intel on him to say if he was durable or not.

How is his blade better than a kunai. I don't even remember Kakuzu ever saying that, i've an idea but i would like to get a link/scan.

Wait... Is this still a Kakuzu and Hidan vs Naruto fight?? Or did it change into Hidan Vs. Naruto XD ?

 

[RicardoA]

Wait... Is this still a Kakuzu and Hidan vs Naruto fight?? Or did it change into Hidan Vs. Naruto XD ?

It's more like a Hidan vs Gamabunta Zzz

 

[Obito3631]

Considering his size Hidan isn't more than a cockroach that won't be able to run away in time if Bunta decides to jump on top of him because of the range he covers, and Hidan isn't A, don't try to convince me he can.

Where did i ever suggested that? The lightning armour is suppose to stimulate the brain in order to achieve maximum speed not give an outstanding protection. That was high level fuuton done by Temari + other wind release users and did enough damage for Temari to call the sealing team. What difference would the armour make? Its their resilient bodies that are impressive.

You bring stats then you say they don't make a difference, fantastic. Still takes time and they still can put up a little fight. About Karui:

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> this is much stronger than Karui and they didn't disperse. There're many other examples, deny all you want, i don't feel like searching everywhere.

You brought the off topic subject of Hidan's stamina, you're the one supposed to say how is that relevant.

The paper was seen last time in her hand. No such thing as dropping was ever implied.

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> clearly he couldn't stand. Nor here:

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, or on the next chapter here:

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. And stood always in the same place the rest of the fight until Oro retreated.

Its was a Chunin fodder ninja who took a rasengan and was still talking and would eventually recover. Still, it was the normal size rasengan.

That sounds desperate. The whole point of the blades is to infuse chakra in them making them more lethal and augment their RANGE, Asuma was weak at that time and he wanted a clean cut. I don't see how is this a proof of Hidan's durability, specially when they had no intel on him to say if he was durable or not.

How is his blade better than a kunai. I don't even remember Kakuzu ever saying that, i've an idea but i would like to get a link/scan.

Then explain to why why didn't Gamabunta try to jump on top of Deva Path if it was that easy and simple? Don't tell me it was because of Shinra tensei because he couldn't use his power yet. And yes he will be able to run in time since Gamabunta is too slow. Also if the he doesn't jump high enough it won't do anything to Hidan.

It's your words against the wikia's and Kishi's. It increases the user's speed as well as his resilience, why do you think it's called lightening "armour" ? It is clearly stated that this jutsu only damaged him because he didn't have his lightening armour on.

Wow you can't read, fantastic. I said it barely made a difference.
Lmao I love how you try to search hard for other manga pages to contradict mines, it's so pathetic, the manga clearly shows Karui one shotting a clone with her elbow, just deal with it, you're the one keep denying facts, it's just too funny.

How about you go read the post where I mentioned Hidan's stamina, maybe you'll understand the relevance if you quit pulling things out of the context.

You said the panel chiyo hpapened after the explosion but you have no evidences, she may very well had had that reaction after sakura pulled out the explosive tag. Also your inital comparison of Sakura is void since the paper bomb wasn't attached to her, she was just holding it with the tip of her fingers.

And your point is? He was still able to stand unlike the other guy who couldn't at all.
Yes exactly, he was a chunin level ninja, he isn't just a normal human like Gato he's actually a ninja so once again the comparison is void.

Clearly Hidan was restrained so range isn't a problem. This isn't a proof of his durability if you read my post in the first place you'd know that I was explaining that you can only behead Hidan with this kind of weapon that's infused with wind chakra, arguably lightening chakra too. You can't behead Hidan with a mere Kunai.

What does Kakuzu have to do with this? A kunai has multiple functions and can be useful to the executions of diverse strategies, its power isn't focused in cutting, it's a multi-use tool. A sword obviously has more cutting power than a kunai the e blade SHikamaru used was also clearly more sharp than a mere kunai.

 

[RicardoA]

Then explain to why why didn't Gamabunta try to jump on top of Deva Path if it was that easy and simple? Don't tell me it was because of Shinra tensei because he couldn't use his power yet. And yes he will be able to run in time since Gamabunta is too slow. Also if the he doesn't jump high enough it won't do anything to Hidan.

It's your words against the wikia's and Kishi's. It increases the user's speed as well as his resilience, why do you think it's called lightening "armour" ? It is clearly stated that this jutsu only damaged him because he didn't have his lightening armour on.

Wow you can't read, fantastic. I said it barely made a difference.
Lmao I love how you try to search hard for other manga pages to contradict mines, it's so pathetic, the manga clearly shows Karui one shotting a clone with her elbow, just deal with it, you're the one keep denying facts, it's just too funny.

How about you go read the post where I mentioned Hidan's stamina, maybe you'll understand the relevance if you quit pulling things out of the context.

You said the panel chiyo hpapened after the explosion but you have no evidences, she may very well had had that reaction after sakura pulled out the explosive tag. Also your inital comparison of Sakura is void since the paper bomb wasn't attached to her, she was just holding it with the tip of her fingers.

And your point is? He was still able to stand unlike the other guy who couldn't at all.
Yes exactly, he was a chunin level ninja, he isn't just a normal human like Gato he's actually a ninja so once again the comparison is void.

Clearly Hidan was restrained so range isn't a problem. This isn't a proof of his durability if you read my post in the first place you'd know that I was explaining that you can only behead Hidan with this kind of weapon that's infused with wind chakra, arguably lightening chakra too. You can't behead Hidan with a mere Kunai.

What does Kakuzu have to do with this? A kunai has multiple functions and can be useful to the executions of diverse strategies, its power isn't focused in cutting, it's a multi-use tool. A sword obviously has more cutting power than a kunai the e blade SHikamaru used was also clearly more sharp than a mere kunai.

In vs threads we use every possibility. In the actual manga things would be pretty boring if everyone was like that, e.g. Kakashi starting with Kamui every single time. 20 ton falling from 50 meters can't be slow, and Bunta is agile. Now he need s 1 min to jump too? Hidan simply couldn't get out of radius in time.

If its stated in the manga than show it please. Narutopedia isn't even a reliable source. Anyway this is off topic.

Brilliant argument. There're others i just don't want to bother searching for them if i don't have too. I alredy showed one.

His stamina was never relevant for this fight. Did i ever said anything about him running out of chakra?

Do you have? Its what happened and there's not even one hint of what you're saying. The paper wasn't even 3mm far away, because she held it.
About the time Hidan got blown, he had a lot of strings around, so many his body wasn't visible, meaning the papers weren't even attached to his skin. The impact first broke/burnt the strings, then it reached him and he got torn apart.

Since when do ninjas have super resilient bodies far from normal? Show me a "normal human" in the narutoverse not surviving a ninja kick. They're god damn drawn.

After realising he's immortal they can restrain him again and cut him all they want, they don't need a clean cut.

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> Kakuzu said that right after stitching Hidan's head, obviously it was fragile, don't say when Shikamaru tried to cut it that he was weakened.
Clean cuts are rare, that's not proof of durability.

 

[Obito3631]

In vs threads we use every possibility. In the actual manga things would be pretty boring if everyone was like that, e.g. Kakashi starting with Kamui every single time. 20 ton falling from 50 meters can't be slow, and Bunta is agile. Now he need s 1 min to jump too? Hidan simply couldn't get out of radius in time.

If its stated in the manga than show it please. Narutopedia isn't even a reliable source. Anyway this is off topic.

Brilliant argument. There're others i just don't want to bother searching for them if i don't have too. I alredy showed one.

His stamina was never relevant for this fight. Did i ever said anything about him running out of chakra?

Do you have? Its what happened and there's not even one hint of what you're saying. The paper wasn't even 3mm far away, because she held it.
About the time Hidan got blown, he had a lot of strings around, so many his body wasn't visible, meaning the papers weren't even attached to his skin. The impact first broke/burnt the strings, then it reached him and he got torn apart.

Since when do ninjas have super resilient bodies far from normal? Show me a "normal human" in the narutoverse not surviving a ninja kick. They're god damn drawn.

After realising he's immortal they can restrain him again and cut him all they want, they don't need a clean cut.

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> Kakuzu said that right after stitching Hidan's head, obviously it was fragile, don't say when Shikamaru tried to cut it that he was weakened.
Clean cuts are rare, that's not proof of durability.

Gamabunta won't be like a giant symethrical block of cement falling from the sky, he will only be able to crush Hidan with his rear which drastically reduce the chances of Hidan being hit, taking into account the time it takes to bounce high enough then fall back on the ground, hidan will have more than enough time to evade it. You're overestimating Gamabunta's size.

The wikia is very reliable as it takes proof directly from the manga, it's also obvious because RFS didn't even damage him while he had his lightening armour on, on the other hand Wind cast Net did damage him and he didn't have it on.

You simply don't have too, the manga already shows Karui one shotting a Naruto's clone with her elbow and it is a manga fact, trying to deny it would just prove how truly desperate you are.

How is it not relevant, he will also fight Naruto.

The paper bombs were clearly attached all over him, you may want to reread the manga.

It has always been this way? Ninjas physical prowess are unequaled, once again, they can tank being sent flying through dozens of trees like it was nothing if that happened to you you would probably have every bones in your body broken. Are you seriously asking for this? you need to rely on the manga because you can't use common sense? Would you survive such a kick? I doubt it.

They won't restrain him, they probably won't even land a hit on him, his clones are fodders who will get one shotted by Hidan, his agility and evasiveness are unequaled, even superior to Kimmimaro's.

Obviously it was still fragile, threads are nowhere as resilient and hard as tendons and muscles, Kakuzu said it himself.

It is, Zabuza could decapitate Gato with a kunai not even using his hands, Shikamaru couldn't even decapitate Hidan with a sharp sword when his neck was still fragile.

 

[RicardoA]

Gamabunta won't be like a giant symethrical block of cement falling from the sky, he will only be able to crush Hidan with his rear which drastically reduce the chances of Hidan being hit, taking into account the time it takes to bounce high enough then fall back on the ground, hidan will have more than enough time to evade it. You're overestimating Gamabunta's size.

The wikia is very reliable as it takes proof directly from the manga, it's also obvious because RFS didn't even damage him while he had his lightening armour on, on the other hand Wind cast Net did damage him and he didn't have it on.

You simply don't have too, the manga already shows Karui one shotting a Naruto's clone with her elbow and it is a manga fact, trying to deny it would just prove how truly desperate you are.

How is it not relevant, he will also fight Naruto.

The paper bombs were clearly attached all over him, you may want to reread the manga.

It has always been this way? Ninjas physical prowess are unequaled, once again, they can tank being sent flying through dozens of trees like it was nothing if that happened to you you would probably have every bones in your body broken. Are you seriously asking for this? you need to rely on the manga because you can't use common sense? Would you survive such a kick? I doubt it.

They won't restrain him, they probably won't even land a hit on him, his clones are fodders who will get one shotted by Hidan, his agility and evasiveness are unequaled, even superior to Kimmimaro's.

Obviously it was still fragile, threads are nowhere as resilient and hard as tendons and muscles, Kakuzu said it himself.

It is, Zabuza could decapitate Gato with a kunai not even using his hands, Shikamaru couldn't even decapitate Hidan with a sharp sword when his neck was still fragile.

I'm just giving possibilites. Cat and mouse all day will only work on Naruto's favour.

Its his body's durability that is impressive, not the lightning armour. That was a powerful Fuuton, the armour is suppose to massively increase the speed, i don't remember being stated anywhere that its defensive powers were a great deal.

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, its all in the first paragraph.

Did i mentioned him getting tired? That's why its irrelevant.

He was covered in wires. The paper bombs were on top of the wires. If you want to pay that much attention to details...

Again, they're drawn. Its not impressive.

Beg to differ on Kimi's part. He still will take his time defeating Naruto's clones.

After stiching his head it was fragile. At that point he had no wires, meaning his head was fully attached to his body once again, obviously.

 

[Obito3631]

I'm just giving possibilites. Cat and mouse all day will only work on Naruto's favour.

Its his body's durability that is impressive, not the lightning armour. That was a powerful Fuuton, the armour is suppose to massively increase the speed, i don't remember being stated anywhere that its defensive powers were a great deal.

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, its all in the first paragraph.

Did i mentioned him getting tired? That's why its irrelevant.

He was covered in wires. The paper bombs were on top of the wires. If you want to pay that much attention to details...

Again, they're drawn. Its not impressive.

Beg to differ on Kimi's part. He still will take his time defeating Naruto's clones.

After stiching his head it was fragile. At that point he had no wires, meaning his head was fully attached to his body once again, obviously.

Gamabunta's objective is to defeat Hidan and he doesn't even know that Hidan's immortal so he will surely try to hit him with his sword and then that's when Gamabunta loses.

Did you even read my post? I just posted proof that the lightening armour has an immense defensive power, I'm not repeating myself. The wikia states it, the manga proves it, that's how it is.

You're contradicting yourself, why don't you read that first paragraph yourself? It is common knowledge that clones are ultra fragile and can get one shotted easily as they're only fraction of the user's power, sometimes I wonder if you even read the manga.

No but I did so it's totally relevant, it was one of my argument.

The paper bombs were initially attached to wires and the point of the trap was to cover Hidan in paper bombs and restraining him with the wires, in case you didn't know, once again, reread the manga, he was covered in hundreds of paper bombs.

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Indeed, the manga is drawn, that's a very nice observation sadly you're not proving anything.

He clearly is more agile than Kimmimaro, he has shown more evasiveness feats.

You still see scars around his neck so obviously it was still weakened and it wasnt steady.

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