You didn't prove Bunta's durability you only said his skin was thick, for my part, it was never stated his scythe won't be able to damage bigger enemies, also his scythe's damaging power was already well proven since he was able to shatter the ground just by trailing it, look at the sides of the scythe, there were cracks. For better results he can just stab gamabunta with his retractable spear which will obviously pierce through Gamabunta and easily draw his blood.
What jutsus beside RFS has shown this much range and destructive power? It destroyed all the surrounding environment, so yes it is the 2nd strongest fuuton jutsu.
The paper bomb wasn't attached to her leg unlike Hashirama. Not comparable.
You missed the point entirely, its not about immortality being a strange thing its about an immortal man being durable which isnt strange whatsoever, its logical even.
I made my point about Bunta being sturdy enough to probably be able to perfectly tank the scythe. Emphasis on "probably", since that will never happenand we'll never know. At this point it comes down to opinion.
You mean fuutons or other jutsus too? Range i don't know but i've doubts about its destructive power. It was far from destroying everything around, otherwise Choji, Ino and Kakashi wouldn't be fine like they were.
She was clearly holding the paper, what's the difference?...
Completely OT: If you're not convinced about Bunta > Hidan, fine, he can have 100+ Naruto's clones.
I'm pretty sure it ill take longer than 5 seconds for Naruto to go in to Sage Mode... :eww:
and even if only takes 5 seconds for Naruto to go in to Sage Mode, then he still need to be able to stand perfectly still for 5 seconds, and I don't really see that happening when he is fighting Kakuzu and Hidan...
I made my point about Bunta being sturdy enough to probably be able to perfectly tank the scythe. Emphasis on "probably", since that will never happenand we'll never know. At this point it comes down to opinion.
You mean fuutons or other jutsus too? Range i don't know but i've doubts about its destructive power. It was far from destroying everything around, otherwise Choji, Ino and Kakashi wouldn't be fine like they were.
She was clearly holding the paper, what's the difference?...
Completely OT: If you're not convinced about Bunta > Hidan, fine, he can have 100+ Naruto's clones.
You provided no evidences of what you're saying, do you have proofs that he's sturdy enough that his scythe or spear cant pierce through? even if it's not a big wound only a little cut is sufficient to get some of his blood.
Fuuton only obviously as in 2nd strongest fuuton jutsu. It was powerful enough to destroy dozens of trees that we're the size of Manda. Unless you can find any fuuton jutsu of this caliber except RFS then its officially the 2nd strongest fuuton jutsu.
No she wasn't holding it she just tossed it out of her pocket, otherwise it would have blew off her fingers.
Hidan> Gamabunta, Hidan can easily beat 100 naruto clones without much trouble, they have no way of harming him
You provided no evidences of what you're saying, do you have proofs that he's sturdy enough that his scythe or spear cant pierce through? even if it's not a big wound only a little cut is sufficient to get some of his blood.
Fuuton only obviously as in 2nd strongest fuuton jutsu. It was powerful enough to destroy dozens of trees that we're the size of Manda. Unless you can find any fuuton jutsu of this caliber except RFS then its officially the 2nd strongest fuuton jutsu.
No she wasn't holding it she just tossed it out of her pocket, otherwise it would have blew off her fingers.
Hidan> Gamabunta, Hidan can easily beat 100 naruto clones without much trouble, they have no way of harming him
We never saw it happen and we never will. I believe (considering what we've seen from other battles) the scythe won't be of use, i said why and at this point it comes down to opinion. There wouldn't be much point i discussing it more since its more than discussed.
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> here is a wind jutsu stronger than Atsugai, other than Rasenshuriken. All those trees seem to be dried just like the land, which means they brake easily. When in doubt:
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, notice that Kakashi survived it and the proof that it took the hit is in his clothes, the jacked is missing and the part that hides his face as a small rip. Manda is bigger than Katsuyu, Katsuyu is about the size of the building where Tsunade's office is and the trees aren't simply as big as the office. Also, strong winds are effective in knocking trees out of the ground because of their size and the dynamics.
The explosion occured right after she took the paper out of her pocket, obviously she was holding it or atleast was extremely close to her body and hand and specially hand.
It doesn't matter if they can harm him, they can perfectly grab him and hit him. After realising their conventional methods aren't working (e.g. rasengan) they can try extreme measures like slicing his head off.
We never saw it happen and we never will. I believe (considering what we've seen from other battles) the scythe won't be of use, i said why and at this point it comes down to opinion. There wouldn't be much point i discussing it more since its more than discussed.
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> here is a wind jutsu stronger than Atsugai, other than Rasenshuriken. All those trees seem to be dried just like the land, which means they brake easily. When in doubt:
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, notice that Kakashi survived it and the proof that it took the hit is in his clothes, the jacked is missing and the part that hides his face as a small rip. Manda is bigger than Katsuyu, Katsuyu is about the size of the building where Tsunade's office is and the trees aren't simply as big as the office. Also, strong winds are effective in knocking trees out of the ground because of their size and the dynamics.
The explosion occured right after she took the paper out of her pocket, obviously she was holding it or atleast was extremely close to her body and hand and specially hand.
It doesn't matter if they can harm him, they can perfectly grab him and hit him. After realising their conventional methods aren't working (e.g. rasengan) they can try extreme measures like slicing his head off.
His skin isnt made of plate or diamond, it's just skin, there is no reason why his scythe wouldnt be able to pierce through. We have never seen anything that hints his scythe or spear wont be able to pierce through. Its not just a matter of opinion, it would be if you at least provided evidences of your claims, but there is nothing that indicates his skin is harder than usual or hard enough that metalic weapons cant pierce through.
No he didnt take the hit unlike Hidan who took it at point blank range, sure the intense wind would have ripped some of his clothes off but that is all there is to it, he was unimpaired thanks to his sharingan that allowed him to evade the jutsu at the last moment, as stated by Kakuzu himself, he may have gotten hit a bit since some of his clothes were missing but nothing severe unlike Hidan who didnt evade it and took it at point blank range. The trees might not be the size of Katsuyu in width but in height they definitely are
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This jutsu doesnt seem to be even close to Atsugai, power wise and range wise, moreover it was executed by several people.
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Its is logical that she would try to take the least damage possible from that blast, her objective was to scatter the poison fog nothing else if she was really holding it then her fingers would have blew off also a lot of people have survived and were unimpaired from paper bombs or explosions when the blast didnt really hit them even if its 5 inches away you can still tank it, though its completely different if the paper bombs are attached to you or if the blast directly hits you, as when Deidara's clay bombs destroyed CS Sasuke's wing.
You cant slice someone's head off with a kunai, asuma needed a fuuton chakra enhanced blade just to decapitate Hidan, Naruto doesnt have that as far as I remember. Naruto has no way of incapacitating or even harming Hidan and his clones in base form are fodders, any taijutsu or kenjutsu specialist would destroy them easily. Also making that many clones would exhaust Naruto the the point where he can't summon gamabunta or do 2 rasen shurikens.
His skin isnt made of plate or diamond, it's just skin, there is no reason why his scythe wouldnt be able to pierce through. We have never seen anything that hints his scythe or spear wont be able to pierce through. Its not just a matter of opinion, it would be if you at least provided evidences of your claims, but there is nothing that indicates his skin is harder than usual or hard enough that metalic weapons cant pierce through.
No he didnt take the hit unlike Hidan who took it at point blank range, sure the intense wind would have ripped some of his clothes off but that is all there is to it, he was unimpaired thanks to his sharingan that allowed him to evade the jutsu at the last moment, as stated by Kakuzu himself, he may have gotten hit a bit since some of his clothes were missing but nothing severe unlike Hidan who didnt evade it and took it at point blank range. The trees might not be the size of Katsuyu in width but in height they definitely are
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This jutsu doesnt seem to be even close to Atsugai, power wise and range wise, moreover it was executed by several people.
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Its is logical that she would try to take the least damage possible from that blast, her objective was to scatter the poison fog nothing else if she was really holding it then her fingers would have blew off also a lot of people have survived and were unimpaired from paper bombs or explosions when the blast didnt really hit them even if its 5 inches away you can still tank it, though its completely different if the paper bombs are attached to you or if the blast directly hits you, as when Deidara's clay bombs destroyed CS Sasuke's wing.
You cant slice someone's head off with a kunai, asuma needed a fuuton chakra enhanced blade just to decapitate Hidan, Naruto doesnt have that as far as I remember. Naruto has no way of incapacitating or even harming Hidan and his clones in base form are fodders, any taijutsu or kenjutsu specialist would destroy them easily. Also making that many clones would exhaust Naruto the the point where he can't summon gamabunta or do 2 rasen shurikens.
I provived evidence on his resistance to physical attacks. Like i said this is something that cannot be 100% proved, then comes opinion.
Well, Hidan took it point blank range and his clothes were fine :| these inconsistencies make it all relative. Hidan takes the hit fully but is fine, Kakashi (according to you) evaded the attack partially but his clothes were damaged... i'm not talking about what you said but this makes no sense. The point of Hidan taking the hit is not allowing the victim to avoid the jutsu, Hidan wouldn't let that happen.
Even the 3rd Raikage (the most durable character in the whole manga without physical enhancements) was severely damaged, how is Atsugai better power wise? what does it matter if it were several people using it? We aren't talking about numbers U_U
I see your point, but the fact is that the page shows her holding it and the explosion happens the next moment, making it seem like she held the paper rather then letting it drop. Keep in mind she was tied.
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> he didn't even used a arm. The purpose of the Chakra Blades is to infuse them with chakra, obviously he used it to get a clean cut. Besides, those Chakra Blades never cutted anything without having chakra infused.
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> he can do this. His clones during the fight against Pain were much better than an early part 1 Naruto (obviously), if it wasn't for those 'fodders' he wouldn't have defeated Pain.
Are you kidding me?
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> right on the first god damn chapter he used this many without tiring. He was never tired from summoning Bunta either. Naruto has no problems stamina wise.
I provived evidence on his resistance to physical attacks. Like i said this is something that cannot be 100% proved, then comes opinion.
Well, Hidan took it point blank range and his clothes were fine :| these inconsistencies make it all relative. Hidan takes the hit fully but is fine, Kakashi (according to you) evaded the attack partially but his clothes were damaged... i'm not talking about what you said but this makes no sense. The point of Hidan taking the hit is not allowing the victim to avoid the jutsu, Hidan wouldn't let that happen.
Even the 3rd Raikage (the most durable character in the whole manga without physical enhancements) was severely damaged, how is Atsugai better power wise? what does it matter if it were several people using it? We aren't talking about numbers U_U
I see your point, but the fact is that the page shows her holding it and the explosion happens the next moment, making it seem like she held the paper rather then letting it drop. Keep in mind she was tied.
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> he didn't even used a arm. The purpose of the Chakra Blades is to infuse them with chakra, obviously he used it to get a clean cut. Besides, those Chakra Blades never cutted anything without having chakra infused.
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> he can do this. His clones during the fight against Pain were much better than an early part 1 Naruto (obviously), if it wasn't for those 'fodders' he wouldn't have defeated Pain.
Are you kidding me?
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> right on the first god damn chapter he used this many without tiring. He was never tired from summoning Bunta either. Naruto has no problems stamina wise.
You didn't prove anything and yes it can be 100% proved I have already proved it just see my facts, the only example you provided was Wind Bullet, but this argument is invalid since the wind bullet explodes from the compressed air when it reaches the target it doesn't cut and it has no piercing power whatsoever, it is Raiton that pierce, not fuuton, moreover, just because it is a Fuuton technique doesn't mean it necessarily cuts, Kirin is a Raiton technique yet it doesn't pierce, it is just a huge force coming down to a huge area of impact. Hidan's spear is uniquely made for stabbing things, therefore piercing, so logically it will be able to pierce Gamabunta easily. It would only be a matter of opinion if you sucessfully proved that Gamabunta's was sturdy enough to block spear but you can't prove it.
I reanalyzed the manga pages and Kakashi's clothes weren't really ripped apart. Only his vest that he wears over his clothes was gone, so either he removed it after the blast, or the wind just swept it away. Don't argue against the manga, Kakuzu clearly said that Kakashi evaded the blast thanks to his sharingan while Hidan clearly took it at point blank range which is also why he wasn't present during the Raiton attack, he was probably retrieving his scythe that was blasted away, resting or simply he was swept far away and took time to come back. Kakashi would have never survived that blast.
How did it damage him? Only rasen shuriken could damage him a little, this attack barely did anything to him, plus his raiton armor is weak agaisnt fuuton, so thats all there is to it. Atsugai would have totally blasted him away, maybe not damage him as much as RFS but still more than this fuuton. Also Atsugai has a much bigger range and has shown much more destructive power.
I doubt so, its all a matter of opinion, you talk about what you saw and what was off screen, so there is no way to tell.
Asuma's blades are just like Kunais if anything they're even more powerful and have more cutting power than kunais, they are also extremely sharp even with no chakra infused, they're basically wearable kunais.
You're comparing Gato, a fodder from part 1 who would even lose to Inari to an immortal akatsuki member who's extremely durable, that's a horrible comparison, we're talking about Hidan aren't we? Why are you bringing Gato into this? Let's take a look at some facts and feats, see this manga page
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Hidan's neck was already weakened as stated by Kakuzu himself after he reattached him and still couldn't get decapitated by a kunai.
Yeah, Hidan can fodderize the clones just by doing this.
The first clones he used against Pain were in SM and Naruto cant make 100+ SM clones, only 1 or 2. The second time he used clones they were a lot weaker and he only used them for strategy and pressure Pain into using ST to take advantage of the 5 sec cooldown, how will that be of any use against Hidan? Kimmimaro destroyed all of his clones without breaking a sweat, Hidan is immortal, is just as good as Kimmimaro in taijutsu/kenjutsu and he has unlimited stamina.
We're talking about 2 immortal men here, making 100+ fodder clones would just be waste of chakra since Hidan will easily destroy them, he will have to summon gamabunta + 100 clones, use some SM techs and fight Kakuzk/Hidan he will run out of chakra quickly and on the other hand kakuzu and hidan are inexhaustible and have the best stamina in the akatsuki.
You didn't prove anything and yes it can be 100% proved I have already proved it just see my facts, the only example you provided was Wind Bullet, but this argument is invalid since the wind bullet explodes from the compressed air when it reaches the target it doesn't cut and it has no piercing power whatsoever, it is Raiton that pierce, not fuuton, moreover, just because it is a Fuuton technique doesn't mean it necessarily cuts, Kirin is a Raiton technique yet it doesn't pierce, it is just a huge force coming down to a huge area of impact. Hidan's spear is uniquely made for stabbing things, therefore piercing, so logically it will be able to pierce Gamabunta easily. It would only be a matter of opinion if you sucessfully proved that Gamabunta's was sturdy enough to block spear but you can't prove it.
I reanalyzed the manga pages and Kakashi's clothes weren't really ripped apart. Only his vest that he wears over his clothes was gone, so either he removed it after the blast, or the wind just swept it away. Don't argue against the manga, Kakuzu clearly said that Kakashi evaded the blast thanks to his sharingan while Hidan clearly took it at point blank range which is also why he wasn't present during the Raiton attack, he was probably retrieving his scythe that was blasted away, resting or simply he was swept far away and took time to come back. Kakashi would have never survived that blast.
How did it damage him? Only rasen shuriken could damage him a little, this attack barely did anything to him, plus his raiton armor is weak agaisnt fuuton, so thats all there is to it. Atsugai would have totally blasted him away, maybe not damage him as much as RFS but still more than this fuuton. Also Atsugai has a much bigger range and has shown much more destructive power.
I doubt so, its all a matter of opinion, you talk about what you saw and what was off screen, so there is no way to tell.
Asuma's blades are just like Kunais if anything they're even more powerful and have more cutting power than kunais, they are also extremely sharp even with no chakra infused, they're basically wearable kunais.
You're comparing Gato, a fodder from part 1 who would even lose to Inari to an immortal akatsuki member who's extremely durable, that's a horrible comparison, we're talking about Hidan aren't we? Why are you bringing Gato into this? Let's take a look at some facts and feats, see this manga page
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Hidan's neck was already weakened as stated by Kakuzu himself after he reattached him and still couldn't get decapitated by a kunai.
Yeah, Hidan can fodderize the clones just by doing this.
The first clones he used against Pain were in SM and Naruto cant make 100+ SM clones, only 1 or 2. The second time he used clones they were a lot weaker and he only used them for strategy and pressure Pain into using ST to take advantage of the 5 sec cooldown, how will that be of any use against Hidan? Kimmimaro destroyed all of his clones without breaking a sweat, Hidan is immortal, is just as good as Kimmimaro in taijutsu/kenjutsu and he has unlimited stamina.
We're talking about 2 immortal men here, making 100+ fodder clones would just be waste of chakra since Hidan will easily destroy them, he will have to summon gamabunta + 100 clones, use some SM techs and fight Kakuzk/Hidan he will run out of chakra quickly and on the other hand kakuzu and hidan are inexhaustible and have the best stamina in the akatsuki.
This is way more than discussed Zzz... Its a mather of opinion because i showed Bunta tanking stuff way more damaging than a mere scythe but you keep undervaluing what i showed. Hidan acts as a tank because of his immortality and is also reckless, even if he was slightly more durable than the average human don't you think a giant toad that weights 20ton would do damage? Why would Bunta be on the defensive all the time? Hidan is the one who likes pain and being hit not to mention the scale of Bunta's attacks.
He still took partial damage and was fine. Those are too much details, they're drawn not real people. The being distant and taking time looking for the scythe is as relative as time in manga.
Tell me you're joking That fuuton cutted him to pieces, hence why Temari called the sealing team... Atsugai wouldn't even scratch that man. Beg to differ on terms of power.
It wasn't offscreen because we saw it. She pulled the paper and the moment after the explosion occured.
He never cutted anything without infusing them with chakra. They're like brass knuckles more than anything. The point of infusing chakra into them is to also augment the range of the attack, not only the power.
I don't agree that he's more durable than average, let alone "extremely". Fodder or not Zabuza was half dead and still managed to do that.
Shikamaru swinged his right hand but the cut present on Hidan's right side too. Following the trajectory the cut should have happened from Hidan's left to right side. Obviously Hidan reacted and Shikamaru's blade only it that half.
If i said previously how would the clones be in SM? The clones can take some hits, besides it will take time. Naruto doesn't take 1 hour to enter SM. Don't agree with the Hidan = Kimi in taijutsu.
Naruto has chakra to waste. The best stamina in akatsuki title would belong to Sasori and Nagato not the immortal duo.
This is way more than discussed Zzz... Its a mather of opinion because i showed Bunta tanking stuff way more damaging than a mere scythe but you keep undervaluing what i showed. Hidan acts as a tank because of his immortality and is also reckless, even if he was slightly more durable than the average human don't you think a giant toad that weights 20ton would do damage? Why would Bunta be on the defensive all the time? Hidan is the one who likes pain and being hit not to mention the scale of Bunta's attacks.
He still took partial damage and was fine. Those are too much details, they're drawn not real people. The being distant and taking time looking for the scythe is as relative as time in manga.
Tell me you're joking That fuuton cutted him to pieces, hence why Temari called the sealing team... Atsugai wouldn't even scratch that man. Beg to differ on terms of power.
It wasn't offscreen because we saw it. She pulled the paper and the moment after the explosion occured.
He never cutted anything without infusing them with chakra. They're like brass knuckles more than anything. The point of infusing chakra into them is to also augment the range of the attack, not only the power.
I don't agree that he's more durable than average, let alone "extremely". Fodder or not Zabuza was half dead and still managed to do that.
Shikamaru swinged his right hand but the cut present on Hidan's right side too. Following the trajectory the cut should have happened from Hidan's left to right side. Obviously Hidan reacted and Shikamaru's blade only it that half.
If i said previously how would the clones be in SM? The clones can take some hits, besides it will take time. Naruto doesn't take 1 hour to enter SM. Don't agree with the Hidan = Kimi in taijutsu.
Naruto has chakra to waste. The best stamina in akatsuki title would belong to Sasori and Nagato not the immortal duo.
It's like you didn't read anything, the only thing you "showed" was Wind Bullet and I have already refuted that.
Again, Gamabunta isn't landing a hit on Hidan and his spear can easily pierce Gamabunta.
No he didn't take any damage, you're arguing against Kakuzu's words therefore the manga itself.
Proof that Atsugai wouldn't scratch him? You have none, you're just making baseless assumptions, he didn't even have his lightening armor activated thus why he took some damage.
No the moment after there was a panel of Chiyo, so again you're just assuming.
You make no sense, he has the capabiltiy of infusing chakra into them why would he not do it? They're just as sharp and powerful as kunai even without chakra infused.
No, "not fodder or not" a normal human who's not a ninja is nowhere as resilient and durable as a ninja, let alone an immortal man so your comparison is blank.
He didn't react he didn't even expect it, the point is, his neck was already weakened and even a kunai couldn't decapitate him, period, blank.
His clones, especially in base form are fodders who disappear after taking a single hit. Hidan will destroy them and again, they can't do anything to him.
Sasori? Since when? Nah the best stamina belong to Hidan, Kakuzu and Nagato, Sasori has nothing to do here.
It's like you didn't read anything, the only thing you "showed" was Wind Bullet and I have already refuted that.
Again, Gamabunta isn't landing a hit on Hidan and his spear can easily pierce Gamabunta.
No he didn't take any damage, you're arguing against Kakuzu's words therefore the manga itself.
Proof that Atsugai wouldn't scratch him? You have none, you're just making baseless assumptions, he didn't even have his lightening armor activated thus why he took some damage.
No the moment after there was a panel of Chiyo, so again you're just assuming.
You make no sense, he has the capabiltiy of infusing chakra into them why would he not do it? They're just as sharp and powerful as kunai even without chakra infused.
No, "not fodder or not" a normal human who's not a ninja is nowhere as resilient and durable as a ninja, let alone an immortal man so your comparison is blank.
He didn't react he didn't even expect it, the point is, his neck was already weakened and even a kunai couldn't decapitate him, period, blank.
His clones, especially in base form are fodders who disappear after taking a single hit. Hidan will destroy them and again, they can't do anything to him.
Sasori? Since when? Nah the best stamina belong to Hidan, Kakuzu and Nagato, Sasori has nothing to do here.
Actually he is correct on that one because Sasori is a puppet and every one of his puppets have chakra reserves so Sasori has like 298 chakra reserves.
Actually he is correct on that one because Sasori is a puppet and every one of his puppets have chakra reserves so Sasori has like 298 chakra reserves.
It's like you didn't read anything, the only thing you "showed" was Wind Bullet and I have already refuted that.
Again, Gamabunta isn't landing a hit on Hidan and his spear can easily pierce Gamabunta.
No he didn't take any damage, you're arguing against Kakuzu's words therefore the manga itself.
Proof that Atsugai wouldn't scratch him? You have none, you're just making baseless assumptions, he didn't even have his lightening armor activated thus why he took some damage.
No the moment after there was a panel of Chiyo, so again you're just assuming.
You make no sense, he has the capabiltiy of infusing chakra into them why would he not do it? They're just as sharp and powerful as kunai even without chakra infused.
No, "not fodder or not" a normal human who's not a ninja is nowhere as resilient and durable as a ninja, let alone an immortal man so your comparison is blank.
He didn't react he didn't even expect it, the point is, his neck was already weakened and even a kunai couldn't decapitate him, period, blank.
His clones, especially in base form are fodders who disappear after taking a single hit. Hidan will destroy them and again, they can't do anything to him.
Sasori? Since when? Nah the best stamina belong to Hidan, Kakuzu and Nagato, Sasori has nothing to do here.
Quote (Kakuzu): "You saw through it with the Sharingan". That doesn't mean he reacted perfectly, the clothes speak for themselves.
The jutsu i showed damaged the most durable character ever. Atsugai couldn't do relevant damage to a character who was never noted for his durability. I'm trying to be reasonable here.
The image is clear. The panel you mentioned shows a shocked Chiyo, therefore the explosion occured right after.
Chakra infused blades >>> No chakra infused blades, why not using them if that's their purpose?
Being immortal as nothing to do with durability. Shinobi's are normal humans (most of them) who train to master jutsus. How does that make them more durable? Anyone can be a shinobi as long as they're trained.
The trajectory says otherwise. You don't swing a knife with the right hand and only the right side of the other person's neck is cut.
They can overwhelm him and they can take more than one hit, especially small cuts.
Quote (Kakuzu): "You saw through it with the Sharingan". That doesn't mean he reacted perfectly, the clothes speak for themselves.
The jutsu i showed damaged the most durable character ever. Atsugai couldn't do relevant damage to a character who was never noted for his durability. I'm trying to be reasonable here.
The image is clear. The panel you mentioned shows a shocked Chiyo, therefore the explosion occured right after.
Chakra infused blades >>> No chakra infused blades, why not using them if that's their purpose?
Being immortal as nothing to do with durability. Shinobi's are normal humans (most of them) who train to master jutsus. How does that make them more durable? Anyone can be a shinobi as long as they're trained.
The trajectory says otherwise. You don't swing a knife with the right hand and only the right side of the other person's neck is cut.
They can overwhelm him and they can take more than one hit, especially small cuts.
what else except wind bullet did you show? that was the only argument on Gamabunta's durability you have shown
Once again, we didnt see Kakashi take the hit unlike Hidan who took it at point blank range, only his vest was missing, it doesnt prove anything, it makes no sense for his vest would be desintegrated while the rest of his clothes would be perfectly fine his clothes were unimpaired so saying he was damaged is pure speculation, so logically he just took his vest off after the blast or it was just carried away by the wind
Once again the jutsu you showed was used while his lightening armor wasnt on, the wikia itself notes that the only reason why it damaged him a little was because he didnt have his lightening armor on, seeing how powerful Atusgai is it is obvious that it would damage him to a greater extent. The 3rd raikage is mainly resilient only due to his lightening armor, dont mistake stamina for resilience. He has monstruous stamina whether his lightening armor is on or not but he's extremely resilient thanks to his lightening armor.
Even if she was really holding it with the tip of her fingers what is this supposed to prove it wasnt attached to her limbs unlike hidan
Would a normal human be able to withstand a kick that sends you flying through dozens of trees like it was nothing? Ninjas can, a normal human would have each single bones in their body broken. Think with common sense next time. Ninjas are like super humans in terms of strength durability and overall physical prowess.
You said that he didnt cut anything without chakra infused into them, what is your point, obviously he will infuse his chakra into them to make them more powerful, he has no reason to not do it, point is they're just as sharp as Kunais.
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. He swing the blade on hidan's right side of his neck and it cut him accordingly and didnt decapitate him even though his neck was already weakened which prove Hidan is very durable.
Manga says otherwise, Kimmimaro one shoted them, Hidan is a taijutsu specialist himself, his scythe will demolish them, even if they outnumber him what is the point if they all their attacks are meaningless?
So does Hidan and Kakuzu, even if he cant tire he can still run out of chakra.
what else except wind bullet did you show? that was the only argument on Gamabunta's durability you have shown
Once again, we didnt see Kakashi take the hit unlike Hidan who took it at point blank range, only his vest was missing, it doesnt prove anything, it makes no sense for his vest would be desintegrated while the rest of his clothes would be perfectly fine his clothes were unimpaired so saying he was damaged is pure speculation, so logically he just took his vest off after the blast or it was just carried away by the wind
Once again the jutsu you showed was used while his lightening armor wasnt on, the wikia itself notes that the only reason why it damaged him a little was because he didnt have his lightening armor on, seeing how powerful Atusgai is it is obvious that it would damage him to a greater extent. The 3rd raikage is mainly resilient only due to his lightening armor, dont mistake stamina for resilience. He has monstruous stamina whether his lightening armor is on or not but he's extremely resilient thanks to his lightening armor.
Even if she was really holding it with the tip of her fingers what is this supposed to prove it wasnt attached to her limbs unlike hidan
Would a normal human be able to withstand a kick that sends you flying through dozens of trees like it was nothing? Ninjas can, a normal human would have each single bones in their body broken. Think with common sense next time. Ninjas are like super humans in terms of strength durability and overall physical prowess.
You said that he didnt cut anything without chakra infused into them, what is your point, obviously he will infuse his chakra into them to make them more powerful, he has no reason to not do it, point is they're just as sharp as Kunais.
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. He swing the blade on hidan's right side of his neck and it cut him accordingly and didnt decapitate him even though his neck was already weakened which prove Hidan is very durable.
Manga says otherwise, Kimmimaro one shoted them, Hidan is a taijutsu specialist himself, his scythe will demolish them, even if they outnumber him what is the point if they all their attacks are meaningless?
So does Hidan and Kakuzu, even if he cant tire he can still run out of chakra.
And its implied that his spear can pierce through skin unless you show me a valid proof of gamabunta's skin being sturdy enough to block it then your argument is invalid.
It took 20 suiton user just to stop madaras katon, Katon>suiton? the chakra nature thing is only accurate when the jutsus are on the same level.
The DB says otherwise, Hidan has 4.5 in taijutsu, he will destroy them. If you carefully read my post, you'd understand that I was stating the complete opposite, when did I say he wasn't resilient?
Hidan hardly ever use chakra and Kakuzu has 5 lives and can do plenty of high scales elemental jutsus without tiring, his stamina is on a whole other lvl.
You haven't answered any of those and I made excellent points which you weren't able to counter, this debate is pretty much over.
And its implied that his spear can pierce through skin unless you show me a valid proof of gamabunta's skin being sturdy enough to block it then your argument is invalid.
It took 20 suiton user just to stop madaras katon, Katon>suiton? the chakra nature thing is only accurate when the jutsus are on the same level.
The DB says otherwise, Hidan has 4.5 in taijutsu, he will destroy them. If you carefully read my post, you'd understand that I was stating the complete opposite, when did I say he wasn't resilient?
Hidan hardly ever use chakra and Kakuzu has 5 lives and can do plenty of high scales elemental jutsus without tiring, his stamina is on a whole other lvl.
You haven't answered any of those and I made excellent points which you weren't able to counter, this debate is pretty much over.
I've made my point way back then. I don't feel like repeating everything because we have different standpoints.
Agree. So what?
Kimi has 5 and possesses a KK very well suited for it, he still took time and SM doesn't take the whole day to activate.
Way off topic.
Now you're being childish and making me using my fingers to debate with you when this leads nowhere:
About Sakura - it all happened in the same page, more precisely from the middle to the lower part of the page, square after square. You interpret it the way you want. She couldn't throw the paper and she also needed the explosion to burn the rope.
About ninjas and civilians - Flawed logic. Show me a scan/link where a "normal human" isn't able to withstand a kick that sends you flying through dozens of trees like it was nothing.
About the blades - Agree. So what?
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I've made my point way back then. I don't feel like repeating everything because we have different standpoints.
Agree. So what?
Kimi has 5 and possesses a KK very well suited for it, he still took time and SM doesn't take the whole day to activate.
Way off topic.
Now you're being childish and making me using my fingers to debate with you when this leads nowhere:
About Sakura - it all happened in the same page, more precisely from the middle to the lower part of the page, square after square. You interpret it the way you want. She couldn't throw the paper and she also needed the explosion to burn the rope.
About ninjas and civilians - Flawed logic. Show me a scan/link where a "normal human" isn't able to withstand a kick that sends you flying through dozens of trees like it was nothing.
About the blades - Agree. So what?
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As I thought, your only argument about Gamabunta's being sturdy was Wind Bullet, otherwise you'd be able to say what it was. Sadly, I have already refuted that.
Wind cast net is not on the same level as Lightening armour.
There's a difference of 0.5, that's nothing. And Hidan has a scythe with which he's very skillful at wielding and will destroy every base Naruto's clones. Karui even one shotted one of naruto's clones by hitting him with her elbow.
Is that what you say when you've run out of argument? You asked why can't Hidan run out of chakra, I answered you.
I have no idea what your point is, the paper bomb wasn't attached to any of her limbs so the comparison is void.
Hahaha, that is flawed logic? It is impossible for a human like you and me to be sent flying through dozens of trees and be unimpaired, I'm the only one using logic here, if you refuse to think with common sense and logic then there's no point to keep arguing.
The point is Asuma needed to enhance his blades with wind chakra in order to decapitate Hidan which was further proven right later when Shikamaru attempted to decapitate Hidan with a knife but failed.
Too small to read anything. You can clearly see in the previous page that Shikamaru was swinging the blade at Hidan's right side of his neck with his right hand and it cut him accordingly, there's even a close-up of it,.
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You should just admit that you were wrong about this instead of arguing against something that is as clear as the day.
As I thought, your only argument about Gamabunta's being sturdy was Wind Bullet, otherwise you'd be able to say what it was. Sadly, I have already refuted that.
Wind cast net is not on the same level as Lightening armour.
There's a difference of 0.5, that's nothing. And Hidan has a scythe with which he's very skillful at wielding and will destroy every base Naruto's clones. Karui even one shotted one of naruto's clones by hitting him with her elbow.
Is that what you say when you've run out of argument? You asked why can't Hidan run out of chakra, I answered you.
I have no idea what your point is, the paper bomb wasn't attached to any of her limbs so the comparison is void.
Hahaha, that is flawed logic? It is impossible for a human like you and me to be sent flying through dozens of trees and be unimpaired, I'm the only one using logic here, if you refuse to think with common sense and logic then there's no point to keep arguing.
The point is Asuma needed to enhance his blades with wind chakra in order to decapitate Hidan which was further proven right later when Shikamaru attempted to decapitate Hidan with a knife but failed.
Too small to read anything. You can clearly see in the previous page that Shikamaru was swinging the blade at Hidan's right side of his neck with his right hand and it cut him accordingly, there's even a close-up of it,.
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You should just admit that you were wrong about this instead of arguing against something that is as clear as the day.
Bad memory you have. I've used the first time Naruto summoned Bunta and the location as proof for my claims. I'm not going to post the same stuff again just to tell you otherwise.
They knew who they were up against, wouldn't make sense to use a average jutsu. And what level is that?
It makes the difference and Kimi had a KKG which perfects his taijutsu, yet he still took his time. Its scattered all over the manga clones tanking more than a fodder's elbow.
So what? How is that relevant?
She held the paper, exploded while in her hand and ended up barely hurt. Paper Bombs aren't Deidara's C1.
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> a fodder gets hit by a rasengan but doesn't die, Kabuto while using a medical jutsu couldn't move after being hit and even after wasn't able to participate in battle.
What part of they're drawn you don't get?
They're brass knuckles more than anything but channel chakra, in Asuma's case its going to channel wind chakra which cuts. The only part that could cut would be the ends which don't seem large enough, hence why he channeled chakra through them.
Next time use more than one page, is not my mistake if i'm mislead because you didn't show how the whole thing happened. Shikamaru's physical condition is average at most, strenght included. Not performing a clean cut doesn't seem strange.
Bad memory you have. I've used the first time Naruto summoned Bunta and the location as proof for my claims. I'm not going to post the same stuff again just to tell you otherwise.
They knew who they were up against, wouldn't make sense to use a average jutsu. And what level is that?
It makes the difference and Kimi had a KKG which perfects his taijutsu, yet he still took his time. Its scattered all over the manga clones tanking more than a fodder's elbow.
So what? How is that relevant?
She held the paper, exploded while in her hand and ended up barely hurt. Paper Bombs aren't Deidara's C1.
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> a fodder gets hit by a rasengan but doesn't die, Kabuto while using a medical jutsu couldn't move after being hit and even after wasn't able to participate in battle.
What part of they're drawn you don't get?
They're brass knuckles more than anything but channel chakra, in Asuma's case its going to channel wind chakra which cuts. The only part that could cut would be the ends which don't seem large enough, hence why he channeled chakra through them.
Next time use more than one page, is not my mistake if i'm mislead because you didn't show how the whole thing happened. Shikamaru's physical condition is average at most, strenght included. Not performing a clean cut doesn't seem strange.
I didn't even bother replying to that seeing how bad that argument was, first of all those rocks weren't even sharp they were shaped like hemispheres, secondly the skin on hands has always been more rough and sturdy than the skin on other body parts, Hidan isn't going to stab his hands. Finally, considering his size smashing these small rocks is not even surprising or a feat.
You,re suggesting it would have been a better idea to stand motionless and not do anything? They didn't have more powerful fuuton jutsu on their hands and then naruto arrived.
0.5 barely makes any difference. and Hidan has immortality which makes him.... immortal, Naruto can't do anything to him. if Karui could one shot a naruto clone with her elbow then Hidan will surely fodderize all of his clones without any trouble.
You should ask that to yourself, how was your question relevant?
She held the paper bomb by the tip of her finger and again we don't know if she dropped it at the very end. It's not surprising she wasn't injured.
How funny, after getting hit Kabuto was standing even though he was wounded while that "fodder" couldn't even move a finger. Kabuto stated himself that his resilience was overwhelming, which further proves my point
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Also what tells you this "fodder" wasn't a ninja? While we all know Gato wasn't a ninja and was just a normal man, you ignore whether or not that "fodder" was a ninja so your argument is void. Furthermore, Jiraiya is a good guy, he's not a criminal, his goal wasn't to kill that guy he just wanted to take him down a peg so he didn't use a fully powered rasengan.
The ends are clearly as sharp as a Kunai, and yes he needed to channel wind chakra through them in order to decapitate Hidan.
I thought you read the manga.
Even though his strength isn't outstanding, you need to keep in mind that he used a very sharp mini sword which has even more cutting power than a kunai, furthermore, Hidan's neck was already weakened and he still couldn't decapitate him.
I didn't even bother replying to that seeing how bad that argument was, first of all those rocks weren't even sharp they were shaped like hemispheres, secondly the skin on hands has always been more rough and sturdy than the skin on other body parts, Hidan isn't going to stab his hands. Finally, considering his size smashing these small rocks is not even surprising or a feat.
You,re suggesting it would have been a better idea to stand motionless and not do anything? They didn't have more powerful fuuton jutsu on their hands and then naruto arrived.
0.5 barely makes any difference. and Hidan has immortality which makes him.... immortal, Naruto can't do anything to him. if Karui could one shot a naruto clone with her elbow then Hidan will surely fodderize all of his clones without any trouble.
You should ask that to yourself, how was your question relevant?
She held the paper bomb by the tip of her finger and again we don't know if she dropped it at the very end. It's not surprising she wasn't injured.
How funny, after getting hit Kabuto was standing even though he was wounded while that "fodder" couldn't even move a finger. Kabuto stated himself that his resilience was overwhelming, which further proves my point
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Also what tells you this "fodder" wasn't a ninja? While we all know Gato wasn't a ninja and was just a normal man, you ignore whether or not that "fodder" was a ninja so your argument is void. Furthermore, Jiraiya is a good guy, he's not a criminal, his goal wasn't to kill that guy he just wanted to take him down a peg so he didn't use a fully powered rasengan.
The ends are clearly as sharp as a Kunai, and yes he needed to channel wind chakra through them in order to decapitate Hidan.
I thought you read the manga.
Even though his strength isn't outstanding, you need to keep in mind that he used a very sharp mini sword which has even more cutting power than a kunai, furthermore, Hidan's neck was already weakened and he still couldn't decapitate him.
Considering his size Hidan isn't more than a cockroach that won't be able to run away in time if Bunta decides to jump on top of him because of the range he covers, and Hidan isn't A, don't try to convince me he can.
Where did i ever suggested that? The lightning armour is suppose to stimulate the brain in order to achieve maximum speed not give an outstanding protection. That was high level fuuton done by Temari + other wind release users and did enough damage for Temari to call the sealing team. What difference would the armour make? Its their resilient bodies that are impressive.
You bring stats then you say they don't make a difference, fantastic. Still takes time and they still can put up a little fight. About Karui:
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> this is much stronger than Karui and they didn't disperse. There're many other examples, deny all you want, i don't feel like searching everywhere.
You brought the off topic subject of Hidan's stamina, you're the one supposed to say how is that relevant.
The paper was seen last time in her hand. No such thing as dropping was ever implied.
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> clearly he couldn't stand. Nor here:
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. And stood always in the same place the rest of the fight until Oro retreated.
Its was a Chunin fodder ninja who took a rasengan and was still talking and would eventually recover. Still, it was the normal size rasengan.
That sounds desperate. The whole point of the blades is to infuse chakra in them making them more lethal and augment their RANGE, Asuma was weak at that time and he wanted a clean cut. I don't see how is this a proof of Hidan's durability, specially when they had no intel on him to say if he was durable or not.
How is his blade better than a kunai. I don't even remember Kakuzu ever saying that, i've an idea but i would like to get a link/scan.
what does it matter if it were several people using it? We aren't talking about numbers U_U