Could Kakuzu and Hidan have done what Pain Could not?

[Obito3631]

@bold: Domu can't be scratched by a normal sword or most physical attacks thus why Kakuzu was unimpaired after fighting the Nibi.

If they're gonna play cat and mouse then there's no ritual for anyone. Hidan isn't attacking effectively if he's running all the time. @bold: i said arguably.
Maybe she was under a curse which happens to be the strongest attack Hidan has, that's like mid-diff not a child play. Obviously Kakuzu helped.
OT: No matter what i say i know you like Hidan and for you he soloed Nibi even if the world told you otherwise.

Why would he try to stab such a little foe? Maybe squash him. @bold: Now you're hyperbolizing a detail to the point of trying to make it seem like a feat. It was just a trail and there were no rocks flying all over, nothing special.
The retractable spear isn't meant for battle only for Hidan to damage himself. If he charges with that he's an easier target.

@bold: this is shattering the ground >

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About Bunta (i managed to get proofs ):

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. He effortlessly smashed those relatively sharp rocks when pressing against the walls of that cliff AND tanked a Fuuton by a Bijuu (Fuutons are supposed to cut and there wasn't any blood around):

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Seems better than the 'teaspoon'

Naruto can prepare hundreds of clones beforehand to help Bunta. The clones would be even more effective against Hidan imo. Naruto has time to enter SM and defeat the duo.

The manga says otherwise.

Hidan can easily draw his blood if he's on top of Gamabunta.

Nah not obviously, there are too many evidences that prove Kakuzu didn't help.

Squash him? Why didn't he try to squash Deva Path then? Again, Hidan would easily evade all of his attacks.

Same difference, the retractable spear is meant for stabbing, he will simply stab Gamabunta's back or head while he's on top of him and draw his blood.

Fail, the air bullet isnt suppose to cut, it crushes with the pressure of the wind, its basically a smaller verison of fuuton atsugai which didnt even make hidan bleed, furthermore Gamabunta was still wounded by that.

proof that SM Naruto can summon 100 clones?

 

[RicardoA]

The manga says otherwise.

Hidan can easily draw his blood if he's on top of Gamabunta.

Nah not obviously, there are too many evidences that prove Kakuzu didn't help.

Squash him? Why didn't he try to squash Deva Path then? Again, Hidan would easily evade all of his attacks.

Same difference, the retractable spear is meant for stabbing, he will simply stab Gamabunta's back or head while he's on top of him and draw his blood.

Fail, the air bullet isnt suppose to cut, it crushes with the pressure of the wind, its basically a smaller verison of fuuton atsugai which didnt even make hidan bleed, furthermore Gamabunta was still wounded by that.

proof that SM Naruto can summon 100 clones?

"Otherwise" what? You're insane if you think that sword got through Domu. In that case the jutsu is worthless because even a normal sword gets through it just fine.

That's if Bunta lets him. He's not gonna stand there and wait, Hidan dodges or gets squashed. Bunta is also agile for a large summon AND has long range suiton that he can use quickly:

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@bold: beg to differ U_U

Does Hidan have Shinra Tensei? I can't believe you're still comparing Deva Path with Hidan.

Already said why that won't happen. Hidan is the one who needs to dodge here...

Not at all. Fuutons make use of brute force and precision to deal with slashing damage. He was barely affected by an attack of that range (only complaint that it hurt, not that it did serious damage), the 'teaspoon' ain't nothing on that. Was any blood sticking out? If anything a little bit flayed but no signs of blood. @bold: There's no relation between the jutsus besides their element. In animes and mangas, characters survive situations that wouldn't be possible because of plot. That's one of them.

Fail, i said BEFOREHAND, meaning base Naruto.

 

[Obito3631]

"Otherwise" what? You're insane if you think that sword got through Domu. In that case the jutsu is worthless because even a normal sword gets through it just fine.

That's if Bunta lets him. He's not gonna stand there and wait, Hidan dodges or gets squashed. Bunta is also agile for a large summon AND has long range suiton that he can use quickly:

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@bold: beg to differ U_U

Does Hidan have Shinra Tensei? I can't believe you're still comparing Deva Path with Hidan.

Already said why that won't happen. Hidan is the one who needs to dodge here...

Not at all. Fuutons make use of brute force and precision to deal with slashing damage. He was barely affected by an attack of that range (only complaint that it hurt, not that it did serious damage), the 'teaspoon' ain't nothing on that. Was any blood sticking out? If anything a little bit flayed but no signs of blood. @bold: There's no relation between the jutsus besides their element. In animes and mangas, characters survive situations that wouldn't be possible because of plot. That's one of them.

Fail, i said BEFOREHAND, meaning base Naruto.

It didnt go through it it just scratched it.

This suiton is useless against Hidan...
Lmao do you realize how slow Gamabunta is? Once again I repeat, he didnt "let" Deva Path jump on him now did he? Hidan will easily get his blood.

Clearly you don't understand the point, what does shinra tensei have to do with anything? Deva Path was messing around with Gamabunta just by evading his attacks and running on him.

I've already refuted that, if Deva Path was able to get on Gamabunta's back then Hidan will be able too, period.

Air bullet and atsugai dont cut, they crush, go read the wikia and you will understand.

No relation? Both use the pressure and density of the wind offensively to blast the enemy, and both are fuuton jutsu, they are the same thing. Or maybe because Hidan is one of the most durable character in the series and he is immortal? The plot has nothing to do with this.

 

[RicardoA]

It didnt go through it it just scratched it.

This suiton is useless against Hidan...
Lmao do you realize how slow Gamabunta is? Once again I repeat, he didnt "let" Deva Path jump on him now did he? Hidan will easily get his blood.

Clearly you don't understand the point, what does shinra tensei have to do with anything? Deva Path was messing around with Gamabunta just by evading his attacks and running on him.

I've already refuted that, if Deva Path was able to get on Gamabunta's back then Hidan will be able too, period.

Air bullet and atsugai dont cut, they crush, go read the wikia and you will understand.

No relation? Both use the pressure and density of the wind offensively to blast the enemy, and both are fuuton jutsu, they are the same thing. Or maybe because Hidan is one of the most durable character in the series and he is immortal? The plot has nothing to do with this.

Done talking about Kakuzu...

It still gives more time to Naruto.
Yes, he's super slow:

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> closed that distance in a second to the point Shukaku didn't have time to react.

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> simply jumped out of the way even though he weights tons.

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> blitzed Manda (who's fast himself) when he was about to devour Katsuyu.

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> right after avoiding Manda's tail he immediately diverted of the way in order not to be hit be the dagger.
He's both quick and agile. Hidan is agile but as a wider range to handle which make him little of a threat.

So, you're saying Deva Path defeated Bunta because he was messing around? :sy: it doesn't matter if you can't take the enemy down.

He wasn't on Bunta's back, he only used his arm to better reach Naruto:

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where is it shown he got to his back?

Fine, it was just to prove how sturdy his skin is.

I clearly mentioned their element as the only relation. Their forms are totally different and work in a different manner. His body is like every normal human, the exception being he is immortal. His body was never noted to be durable and its nowhere stated that it is. Like i said, the outcome of certain actions are molded by plot, hence why he was perfect after being hit.

I would like to mention Bunta can to this:

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(quicker than Gaara's attack) to Hidan, and inside, Naruto can do something similar to this:

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at least stunning Hidan. If Hidan comes back he can use clones inside to help.

 

[BazzBee]

I doubt they could U_U

 

[Obito3631]

Done talking about Kakuzu...

It still gives more time to Naruto.
Yes, he's super slow:

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> closed that distance in a second to the point Shukaku didn't have time to react.

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> simply jumped out of the way even though he weights tons.

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> blitzed Manda (who's fast himself) when he was about to devour Katsuyu.

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> right after avoiding Manda's tail he immediately diverted of the way in order not to be hit be the dagger.
He's both quick and agile. Hidan is agile but as a wider range to handle which make him little of a threat.

So, you're saying Deva Path defeated Bunta because he was messing around? :sy: it doesn't matter if you can't take the enemy down.

He wasn't on Bunta's back, he only used his arm to better reach Naruto:

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where is it shown he got to his back?

Fine, it was just to prove how sturdy his skin is.

I clearly mentioned their element as the only relation. Their forms are totally different and work in a different manner. His body is like every normal human, the exception being he is immortal. His body was never noted to be durable and its nowhere stated that it is. Like i said, the outcome of certain actions are molded by plot, hence why he was perfect after being hit.

I would like to mention Bunta can to this:

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(quicker than Gaara's attack) to Hidan, and inside, Naruto can do something similar to this:

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at least stunning Hidan. If Hidan comes back he can use clones inside to help.

The suiton is a long range jutsu, he has no reason to use it when Hidan is right in front of him.

You do realize you're comparing two huge slow monsters, you're not proving anything, rofl. Shukaku is just as slow as Gamabunta.
Now you're comparing to another huge summon, again you're not proving anything.

You need to compare it to a human for your argument to be valid, as a matter of fact I do have a manga proof of gamabunta being slow

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oops he missed

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awww he missed again.


Again, Gamabunta isnt landing a hit on Hidan if he couldnt even touch Deva Path.

What do you mean he cant take the enemy down? Hidan can easily draw his blood and kill him with the ritual without much trouble.


No not only the element is similar, go read the wikia, both jutsu works the same way, stop ignoring all the evidences.
Oh wow so you're actually saying the fact that he tanked Atsugai at point blank range isnt a proof of his durability and its only due to the plot? haahaha oh wow II don't think you realize how desperate you sound by trying to contradict the manga with lame and senseless excuses such as the "plot" he tanked it and was unimpaired while it was noted that no one survived that combo before, , also when he stabbed himself in the leg he was also unimpaired while asuma was limping, he's extremely durable just deal with it.

Once again, I'll repeat, Gamabunta isn't landing a hit on Hidan, sorry.

 

[RicardoA]

The suiton is a long range jutsu, he has no reason to use it when Hidan is right in front of him.

You do realize you're comparing two huge slow monsters, you're not proving anything, rofl. Shukaku is just as slow as Gamabunta.
Now you're comparing to another huge summon, again you're not proving anything.

You need to compare it to a human for your argument to be valid, as a matter of fact I do have a manga proof of gamabunta being slow

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oops he missed

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awww he missed again.


Again, Gamabunta isnt landing a hit on Hidan if he couldnt even touch Deva Path.

What do you mean he cant take the enemy down? Hidan can easily draw his blood and kill him with the ritual without much trouble.


No not only the element is similar, go read the wikia, both jutsu works the same way, stop ignoring all the evidences.
Oh wow so you're actually saying the fact that he tanked Atsugai at point blank range isnt a proof of his durability and its only due to the plot? haahaha oh wow II don't think you realize how desperate you sound by trying to contradict the manga with lame and senseless excuses such as the "plot" he tanked it and was unimpaired while it was noted that no one survived that combo before, , also when he stabbed himself in the leg he was also unimpaired while asuma was limping, he's extremely durable just deal with it.

Once again, I'll repeat, Gamabunta isn't landing a hit on Hidan, sorry.

I already proved how agile and fast he can be. When he uses the Suiton he jumps, he doesn't stand in front of the enemy.

The manga pages i provided clearly show Gamabunta is faster than others, far from "as slow as" when Shukaku didn't even move.

All the times he failed it wasn't even his fight... And all the times he miss its more time Naruto has to enter SM. They can play cat and mouse all they want, its even better that way.

I already said why that scythe ain't nothing. The skin can handle it, he can repel it with his giant frog hand or he can simply play the cat and mouse with Hidan fulfilling his real purpose: to make time.

One is like a bullet and deals with precision the other his a tornado like mass that covers a wide range, no precision needed. By that logic every jutsu of the same element is the same thing. Fine, forget about plot. Kishi never made any remarks about his body's durability neither in the databook nor through the characters, until its stated otherwise his body is like any other.
@bold: that statement was meant for Kakashi :sy:

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You realize Hidan enjoys pain, obviously he wasn't limping. That's not even a proof of durability its quite the opposite since the retractable spear pierced just fine :sy:

Whatever, i already explained why that's also good.

 

[Obito3631]

I already proved how agile and fast he can be. When he uses the Suiton he jumps, he doesn't stand in front of the enemy.

The manga pages i provided clearly show Gamabunta is faster than others, far from "as slow as" when Shukaku didn't even move.

All the times he failed it wasn't even his fight... And all the times he miss its more time Naruto has to enter SM. They can play cat and mouse all they want, its even better that way.

I already said why that scythe ain't nothing. The skin can handle it, he can repel it with his giant frog hand or he can simply play the cat and mouse with Hidan fulfilling his real purpose: to make time.

One is like a bullet and deals with precision the other his a tornado like mass that covers a wide range, no precision needed. By that logic every jutsu of the same element is the same thing. Fine, forget about plot. Kishi never made any remarks about his body's durability neither in the databook nor through the characters, until its stated otherwise his body is like any other.
@bold: that statement was meant for Kakashi :sy:

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You realize Hidan enjoys pain, obviously he wasn't limping. That's not even a proof of durability its quite the opposite since the retractable spear pierced just fine :sy:

Whatever, i already explained why that's also good.

Great but what then? he will be wasting his chakra.

Because Shukaku is a stationary fighter? Gamabunta is a frog, frogs jump, in case you didn't know, and Gamabunta is still slow compared to any humans, as shown by the manga scans I have posted above, he will never defeated humans that are agile and have one shot moves, doesn't that description suit Hidan and Deva Path perfectly? It does.

And I have already proved his scythe and spear will easily get through it, you are just stating that it can't without providing any valid evidences, I have refuted that with manga scans.

So what if it wasn't his fight? Deva Path wasn't even trying.

Which is why I said its smaller but it has the same effect if fired at point blank ranged, if you're hit at point blank range by atsugai its basically the same thing as a wind bullet.

Wow are you serious? The manga proved it more than once, the fact that he tanked fuuton atusgai at point blank range is a clear evidence that his body is different and very durable.

Are you face palming at yourself, when did I say it wasn't for Kakashi?
You think not limping after stabbing yourself in the leg is about enjoying pain and not because of broken tissues and bones? You need to review basic anatomy.

Again are you face palming at yourself? The fact that the spear pierced fine has nothing to do with durability, durability means being able to withstand a great amount of physical damage.

 

[RicardoA]

Great but what then? he will be wasting his chakra.

Because Shukaku is a stationary fighter? Gamabunta is a frog, frogs jump, in case you didn't know, and Gamabunta is still slow compared to any humans, as shown by the manga scans I have posted above, he will never defeated humans that are agile and have one shot moves, doesn't that description suit Hidan and Deva Path perfectly? It does.

And I have already proved his scythe and spear will easily get through it, you are just stating that it can't without providing any valid evidences, I have refuted that with manga scans.

So what if it wasn't his fight? Deva Path wasn't even trying.

Which is why I said its smaller but it has the same effect if fired at point blank ranged, if you're hit at point blank range by atsugai its basically the same thing as a wind bullet.

Wow are you serious? The manga proved it more than once, the fact that he tanked fuuton atusgai at point blank range is a clear evidence that his body is different and very durable.

Are you face palming at yourself, when did I say it wasn't for Kakashi?
You think not limping after stabbing yourself in the leg is about enjoying pain and not because of broken tissues and bones? You need to review basic anatomy.

Again are you face palming at yourself? The fact that the spear pierced fine has nothing to do with durability, durability means being able to withstand a great amount of physical damage.

The jutsu wasn't shown to be chakra taxing. In every battle a ninja must waste chakra :| i don't see your point. It still makes time and that size must deal great damage seeing as how it evenly matched a Bijuu's fuuton.

Let me put it this way: lets say Bunta is 10x bigger than Hidan, if they both have to travel 100m and they're as swift as it was shown to us. Who do you think it has the adavantage? Bunta isn't slow and is certainly more than 10x bigger, Hidan simply has a much wider range to reach while Bunta can do it more easily due to size. At least you agree frogs jump, he can do something like this:

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to Hidan. How will he look after being squashed by that frog's fat ass?

My argument is as valid as yours here.

What makes you say Bunta was?

Point blank ranged is only being brought up now. I think almost every jutsu with the same element thrown point blank range is the same, using that logic of course.

I'll repeat: the author never made any remarks on Hidan's body durability, neither in the manga nor the databook. Plot demanded that he was unimpaired, its like saying he has regeneration when it was never noted. Its common in anime and manga's when characters aren't affected by certain situations, e.g. when spiky things are thown and the characters is thrown back like it was hit by soccer balls. I don't know if you know the anime/manga Law of Ueki, its always happening there (e.g.).

Quote: "he tanked it and was unimpaired while it was noted that no one survived that combo before". You said that when talking about Hidan. The part where no one had survived before is meant for Kakashi. The way you put it, it made it seem like you were saying the whole phrase was in regard to Hidan. Of course Hidan survived.

We aren't talking about real people. If it pierced then obviously tissue should have been torn (highly doubt about a bone) but that's in real life.

Quote: "he stabbed himself in the leg he was also unimpaired while asuma was limping, he's extremely durable". Make up your mind. You used that example to try and prove his durability, now you're saying it has nothing to do with durability?

Let me remind you Bunta doesn't have to defeat/stall Hidan, Naruto's clones could take care of it better.

 

[Obito3631]

The jutsu wasn't shown to be chakra taxing. In every battle a ninja must waste chakra :| i don't see your point. It still makes time and that size must deal great damage seeing as how it evenly matched a Bijuu's fuuton.

Let me put it this way: lets say Bunta is 10x bigger than Hidan, if they both have to travel 100m and they're as swift as it was shown to us. Who do you think it has the adavantage? Bunta isn't slow and is certainly more than 10x bigger, Hidan simply has a much wider range to reach while Bunta can do it more easily due to size. At least you agree frogs jump, he can do something like this:

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to Hidan. How will he look after being squashed by that frog's fat ass?

My argument is as valid as yours here.

What makes you say Bunta was?

Point blank ranged is only being brought up now. I think almost every jutsu with the same element thrown point blank range is the same, using that logic of course.

I'll repeat: the author never made any remarks on Hidan's body durability, neither in the manga nor the databook. Plot demanded that he was unimpaired, its like saying he has regeneration when it was never noted. Its common in anime and manga's when characters aren't affected by certain situations, e.g. when spiky things are thown and the characters is thrown back like it was hit by soccer balls. I don't know if you know the anime/manga Law of Ueki, its always happening there (e.g.).

Quote: "he tanked it and was unimpaired while it was noted that no one survived that combo before". You said that when talking about Hidan. The part where no one had survived before is meant for Kakashi. The way you put it, it made it seem like you were saying the whole phrase was in regard to Hidan. Of course Hidan survived.

We aren't talking about real people. If it pierced then obviously tissue should have been torn (highly doubt about a bone) but that's in real life.

Quote: "he stabbed himself in the leg he was also unimpaired while asuma was limping, he's extremely durable". Make up your mind. You used that example to try and prove his durability, now you're saying it has nothing to do with durability?

Let me remind you Bunta doesn't have to defeat/stall Hidan, Naruto's clones could take care of it better.

Shukaku is the weakest bijuu, his fuuton is nothing impressing and again, it wont do anything to Hidan.

This jutsu is cart destroyer technique, gamabunta cant do that by himself, try again.
Do you even know what this discussion is about? The fact that he can run faster is not relevant, gamabunta is slow due to his size , it takes much more time for him to counter attack and deliver fast blows because he's too big and moving his limbs takes longer, he will never be able to hit Hidan.

Not at all, you said his skin is too thick without providing any evidences of that and I have already countered that.

Because he was fighting to kill him?, Deva Path was just evading his attacks casually and his target was Naruto, enough with the stupid questions.

No, atusugai at point blank range is much more powerful, shikamaru and the others werent affected by the jutsu it just swept them off their feet, at point blank range the pressure and density of the wind is at its highest, it works the same way as the wind bullet.

Why are you repeating your flawed logic? Your opinion on whether its due to the plot or not is irrelevant and I couldn't care less about what you think it is, the point is he tanked it and was unimpaired which is a proof of his durability, it has been proven in the manga several times, stop trying to contradict the manga itself, you're just embarrassing yourself.

If that is so, then the fact that Gamabunta jump high and can spit water bullets is only due to the plot, therefore is an invalid argument, try again.

So Asuma is just like "real people" since he was limping and his leg was damaged and Hidan isn't since he wasn't affected? Thanks, you just proved me right.

Can you not read? You said that the fact that it pierced his leg easily proves that he's not durable, I'm not the one who can't make up my mind you just didn't read correctly. This has nothing to do with durability.

 

[RicardoA]

Shukaku is the weakest bijuu, his fuuton is nothing impressing and again, it wont do anything to Hidan.

This jutsu is cart destroyer technique, gamabunta cant do that by himself, try again.
Do you even know what this discussion is about? The fact that he can run faster is not relevant, gamabunta is slow due to his size , it takes much more time for him to counter attack and deliver fast blows because he's too big and moving his limbs takes longer, he will never be able to hit Hidan.

Not at all, you said his skin is too thick without providing any evidences of that and I have already countered that.

Because he was fighting to kill him?, Deva Path was just evading his attacks casually and his target was Naruto, enough with the stupid questions.

Why are you repeating your flawed logic? Your opinion on whether its due to the plot or not is irrelevant and I couldn,t care less about what you think it is, the point is he tanked it and was unimpaired which is a proof of his durability, it has been proven in the manga several times, stop trying to contradict the manga itself, you're just embarrassing yourself.

If that is so, then the fact that Gamabunta jump high and is good at evading attacks is only due to the plot, therefore is an invalid argument, try again.

So Asuma is just like "real people" since he was limping and his leg was damaged and Hidan isn't since he wasn't affected? Thanks, you just proved me right.

Can you not read? You said that the fact that it pierced his leg easily proves that he's not durable, I'm not the one who can't make up my mind you just didn't read correctly. This has nothing to do with durability.

Now a Bijuu isn't impressive XD then let me tell you Hidan leaves much to be desired.

Last time i checked frogs could jump. I said "something like" which, in other words means, something similar to. Are you suggesting he can't jump on top of Hidan? I'm tired of explaining that his size isn't a problem yet you're still holding on to that thing we can hardly call "fight" between Deva (who is tiers above Hidan in so many levels) and Bunta. Hidan has to run (using the former e.g.) at least 10x more to reach the 100m before Bunta and i'm being generous, one jump and he made like 50m:

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See if you realize this, providing a link or scan or whatever, ISN'T proving nothing if it... well if it doesn't prove anything at all. You can't give 100% solid proofs because we never saw something similar happening in the manga. You didn't countered nothing. You're so delusional about Hidan that it's astonishing, you can't distinguish a trail from a ground breaking.

Naruto was supposed to kill/defeat him since the beggining, not Bunta. What was the purpose of him learning SM in first place? >

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. Either by plot or lack of counters Bunta would never stand a chance...

Forget plot.

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> here is Nagato (normal body durability) being caught by multiple paper bombs 'escaping' with his legs burnt.

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> here is Hidan with his super durable body blown to pieces.
Either my theory about plot is right or Hidan's body is normal.

Frogs jumping isn't odd. Escaping with little damage to an attack that should have smashed you (or something like that) when your body is normal isn't very common, except in manga and anime where there's plot and some nature laws can't always be applied.

I think this one is already answered.

Forget what i said. I already proved why he isn't more durable than anyone else.

 

[Strawberry]

naruto would take them

 

[Obito3631]

Now a Bijuu isn't impressive XD then let me tell you Hidan leaves much to be desired.

Last time i checked frogs could jump. I said "something like" which, in other words means, something similar to. Are you suggesting he can't jump on top of Hidan? I'm tired of explaining that his size isn't a problem yet you're still holding on to that thing we can hardly call "fight" between Deva (who is tiers above Hidan in so many levels) and Bunta. Hidan has to run (using the former e.g.) at least 10x more to reach the 100m before Bunta and i'm being generous, one jump and he made like 50m:

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See if you realize this, providing a link or scan or whatever, ISN'T proving nothing if it... well if it doesn't prove anything at all. You can't give 100% solid proofs because we never saw something similar happening in the manga. You didn't countered nothing. You're so delusional about Hidan that it's astonishing, you can't distinguish a trail from a ground breaking.

Naruto was supposed to kill/defeat him since the beggining, not Bunta. What was the purpose of him learning SM in first place? >

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. Either by plot or lack of counters Bunta would never stand a chance...

Forget plot.

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> here is Nagato (normal body durability) being caught by multiple paper bombs 'escaping' with his legs burnt.

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> here is Hidan with his super durable body blown to pieces.
Either my theory about plot is right or Hidan's body is normal.

Frogs jumping isn't odd. Escaping with little damage to an attack that should have smashed you (or something like that) when your body is normal isn't very common, except in manga and anime where there's plot and some nature laws can't always be applied.

I think this one is already answered.

Forget what i said. I already proved why he isn't more durable than anyone else.

He was on par with Gamabunta, that shows how weak he is for a Bijuu.

Then why didnt he "jump" on top of Deva Path if it was that easy? You don't even look at the context and you think you're making a point, food cart destoyer summons Gamabunta from the air for him to fall on the opponent so it's very fast, him just jumping and falling back on something takes much more time. Go reread the manga before posting things that are invalid.


Deva Path is only "tiers above" Hidan because he can control magnetic fields, without that he's just like any other ninjas and he's even less swift and agile than Hidan, he totally outplayed Gamabunta and evaded all of his attacks without even using shinra tensei or anything, you saying that Deva Path is "tiers" above Hidan is completely irrelevant in this discussion since he didn't use any jutsus to evade all of Gamabunta's attacks.

Lol I can't distinguish a trail? If you go back at my first posts I clearly said it left a trail while destroying the ground, lol I'm laughing my ass off, it is 100% clear in the manga that he tanked it yet it is not a proof? Keep making me laugh, it happened and it proves he's durable, it doesn't matter if you don't like it or disagree, it's a fact that can't be contradicted, also the fact that he was still standing after stabbing his leg is also a proof of his durability, you say I'm delusional yet you can't even comprehend the manga and accept facts.

Deva Path was running around and evading all of his attacks, " the plot" isn't a valid reason, he just couldn't kill him.

So you're finally giving up on that fallacious argument of yours that is the plot?

Here is Hashirama losing his leg from a single paper bomb

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which rebut your argument

also I'll do as you do and blame the plot, also I love your bias against Hidan, the small problem is you forgot to show his body covered with hundreds paper bombs

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Compared to Nagato who was covered with 5 paper bombs and which probably didnt directly explode on his leg, he probably used shinra tensei to repel them.

Oh so spitting water bullets of your mouth when there is no water source around is a very common thing? Again, your plot argument is invalid, if you say otherwise then I can say the same thing about Nagato and Gamabunta.

No you didn't prove anything, keep arguing against facts and the manga itself, you're not proving anything just making a fool out of yourself.

 

[RicardoA]

He was on par with Gamabunta, that shows how weak he is for a Bijuu.

Then why didnt he "jump" on top of Deva Path if it was that easy? You don't even look at the context and you think you're making a point, food cart destoyer summons Gamabunta from the air for him to fall on the opponent so it's very fast, him just jumping and falling back on something takes much more time. Go reread the manga before posting things that are invalid.


Deva Path is only "tiers above" Hidan because he can control magnetic fields, without that he's just like any other ninjas and he's even less swift and agile than Hidan, he totally outplayed Gamabunta and evaded all of his attacks without even using shinra tensei or anything, you saying that Deva Path is "tiers" above Hidan is completely irrelevant in this discussion since he didn't use any jutsus to evade all of Gamabunta's attacks.

Lol I can't distinguish a trail? If you go back at my first posts I clearly said it left a trail while destroying the ground, lol I'm laughing my ass off, it is 100% clear in the manga that he tanked it yet it is not a proof? Keep making me laugh, it happened and it proves he's durable, it doesn't matter if you don't like it or disagree, it's a fact that can't be contradicted, also the fact that he was still standing after stabbing his leg is also a proof of his durability, you say I'm delusional yet you can't even comprehend the manga and accept facts.

Deva Path was running around and evading all of his attacks, " the plot" isn't a valid reason, he just couldn't kill him.

So you're finally giving up on that fallacious argument of yours that is the plot?

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Compared to Nagato who was covered with 5 paper bombs and which probably didnt directly explode on his leg, he probably used shinra tensei to repel them.

Oh so spitting water bullets of your mouth when there is no water source around is a very common thing? Again, your plot argument is invalid, if you say otherwise then I can say the same thing about Nagato and Gamabunta.

No you didn't prove anything, keep arguing against facts and the manga itself, you're not proving anything just making a fool out of yourself.

Ask Kishi. Anyway, Shinra Tensei >>>>> any toad from any angle. Still using Deva?... He wouldn't achieve anything by running around.

Completely irrelevant. That's like saying SO6P was the strongest ninja in existence because he had Rinnengan. If you deprive a ninja of their jutsus of course he isn't very strong. Hidan can evade all he wants, time is appreciated for Naruto to enter SM.

Quote: "The ground around was shattering". If it shatters its going to be in the middle and "shattering" isn't leaving a trail. I don't have to accept anything, what happens, happens and that's it. Well then the jutsu isn't that strong because Hidan's body is normal, not to mention the attack his quite featless and only useful to enhance the fire mask jutsu.

I already proved why not Bunta would never be able to defeat Deva neither by plot nor by logic (Shinra Tensei). I'm done with Deva.

That's an edo body, therefore different. They don't need to be sturdy because they regenerate.
I love how you show a scan of Hidan but not Nagato. (And i'm the bias one )

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> don't make up stuff. His legs aren't visible such is the amout of papers. There weren't any remarks made on him using Shinra Tensei, so no, you can't just say he did.

Bunta expelled the water of his mouth... when he used the jutsu where do you see a water source to begin with :sy:

I can say the same about you Lol

 

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Ask Kishi. Anyway, Shinra Tensei >>>>> any toad from any angle. Still using Deva?... He wouldn't achieve anything by running around.

Completely irrelevant. That's like saying SO6P was the strongest ninja in existence because he had Rinnengan. If you deprive a ninja of their jutsus of course he isn't very strong. Hidan can evade all he wants, time is appreciated for Naruto to enter SM.

Quote: "The ground around was shattering". If it shatters its going to be in the middle and "shattering" isn't leaving a trail. I don't have to accept anything, what happens, happens and that's it. Well then the jutsu isn't that strong because Hidan's body is normal, not to mention the attack his quite featless and only useful to enhance the fire mask jutsu.

I already proved why not Bunta would never be able to defeat Deva neither by plot nor by logic (Shinra Tensei). I'm done with Deva.

That's an edo body, therefore different. They don't need to be sturdy because they regenerate.
I love how you show a scan of Hidan but not Nagato. (And i'm the bias one )

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> don't make up stuff. His legs aren't visible such is the amout of papers. There weren't any remarks made on him using Shinra Tensei, so no, you can't just say he did.

Bunta expelled the water of his mouth... when he used the jutsu where do you see a water source to begin with :sy:

I can say the same about you Lol

I don't need to ask Kishi since the answer is obvious, he could not.

I'm not saying Deva Path could have achieved anything by running around I simply proved that Hidan can evade all of his attacks, if you're talking about Hidan then I guess you forgot about the ritual that will one shot Gamabunta.

Oh wow, I'm facepalming over here, you really don't comprehend anything do you? It was never about strength, I have no idea where you got that from.
You said that Deva Path and Hidan aren't comparable and the only reason why they aren't comparable is because Deva Path can control magnetic field, Deva Path was toying and jumping around on gamabunta without using any jutsu, so he can be compared to Hidan here.


Yes that will leave 5 seconds for Naruto to enter SM, that's how long it will take for Hidan to kill Gamabunta.

Not that strong? Except it's the 2nd strongest wind jutsu in the manga after RFS, try again. On the contrary, it doesnt prove that its not strong it only proves that Hidan is resilient, accept the facts.

Again Deva Path defeating Gamabunta is completely irrelevant, you literally understood nothing, and plot isn't a valid reason.

They are different just because they don't need to be? Worst excuse I've seen in years. Edo bodies are exactly the same except for the fact that they can regenerate, you saying otherwise is pure speculation.

lol? i clearly said there was no water source around, why are you arguing with yourself?

I'm not the one arguing against facts and the manga itself here.

 

[Shura]

Hidan and Kakuzu take this one. The toads are simply too easy of a target for both Kakuzu and Hidan, and Naruto isn't better at Taijutsu than any of those two. And for how long do you think he can dodge the Fire + Wind combo.

 

[RicardoA]

I don't need to ask Kishi since the answer is obvious, he could not.

I'm not saying Deva Path could have achieved anything by running around I simply proved that Hidan can evade all of his attacks, if you're talking about Hidan then I guess you forgot about the ritual that will one shot Gamabunta.

Oh wow, I'm facepalming over here, you really don't comprehend anything do you? It was never about strength, I have no idea where you got that from.
You said that Deva Path and Hidan aren't comparable and the only reason why they aren't comparable is because Deva Path can control magnetic field, Deva Path was toying and jumping around on gamabunta without using any jutsu, so he can be compared to Hidan here.


Yes that will leave 5 seconds for Naruto to enter SM, that's how long it will take for Hidan to kill Gamabunta.

Not that strong? Except it's the 2nd strongest wind jutsu in the manga after RFS, try again. On the contrary, it doesnt prove that its not strong it only proves that Hidan is resilient, accept the facts.

Again Deva Path defeating Gamabunta is completely irrelevant, you literally understood nothing, and plot isn't a valid reason.

They are different just because they don't need to be? Worst excuse I've seen in years. Edo bodies are exactly the same except for the fact that they can regenerate, you saying otherwise is pure speculation.

lol? i clearly said there was no water source around, why are you arguing with yourself?

I'm not the one arguing against facts and the manga itself here.

I've already explained why the scythe ain't nothing, therefore why running all around isn't doing anything good for Hidan.

Quote: "Deva Path is only "tiers above" Hidan because he can control magnetic fields". I meant that its the same as saying a ninja is strong because he possesses determined jutsus, obvious no? < this is off topic buddy. The way one can take out the other is completely different and i apply my first sentence here.

Where is that stated? A B-rank fuuton the strongest, hilarious. That isn't stated anywhere else neither... :|

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> here Tsunade punched Oro and although his body is different he didn't streched that much, at least it wasn't noticeable.

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> here almost half of Madara's edo body got obliterated.
Notice how they seem to be made of paper like substance. Its not safe to say they're the same and you showed a weak version of edo. Anyway, its all very relative, i already gave solid proof on the bombs matter.

If he doesn't need a water source what is your point?

@everythininbold: things where i would be repeating myself, have nothing to do with this or simply are pointless.

 

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I've already explained why the scythe ain't nothing, therefore why running all around isn't doing anything good for Hidan.

Quote: "Deva Path is only "tiers above" Hidan because he can control magnetic fields". I meant that its the same as saying a ninja is strong because he possesses determined jutsus, obvious no? < this is off topic buddy. The way one can take out the other is completely different and i apply my first sentence here.

Where is that stated? A B-rank fuuton the strongest, hilarious. That isn't stated anywhere else neither... :|

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> here Tsunade punched Oro and although his body is different he didn't streched that much, at least it wasn't noticeable.

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> here almost half of Madara's edo body got obliterated.
Notice how they seem to be made of paper like substance. Its not safe to say they're the same and you showed a weak version of edo. Anyway, its all very relative, i already gave solid proof on the bombs matter.

If he doesn't need a water source what is your point?

@everythininbold: things where i would be repeating myself, have nothing to do with this or simply are pointless.

You're just basing yourself on your own speculations, you didn't prove anything, my point still stands, Hidan can draw Gamabunta's blood and gamabunta has no way of ever touching Hidan.

You're the one who started talking about Deva Path being tiers above Hidan when it's completely off topic, you just didn't get the point.

Where was it stated that RFS is the strongest wind jutsu we've seen so far? Common sense. No fuuton jutsu except RFS was shown to be more powerful than Atsugai.

Once again your argument is invalid because you're comparing two completely different characters, first of all Tsunade had the yin seal activated when she punched Madara, her punch was obviously way stronger, secondly, this happened in Shippuden and she is stronger than she was in part 1, thirdly, Tsunade was rusty and hadn't fought nor trained in years, her overall physical capability had decreased and finally you're comparing one of the most durable character to Madara who hasn't shown any durability feat. And no your paper bombs argument has already been refuted.

My point is that you were saying that an immortal man being durable isn't a common thing, that is what's wrong with your statement, a frog spitting water bullet isn't a common thing.

 

[RicardoA]

You're just basing yourself on your own speculations, you didn't prove anything, my point still stands, Hidan can draw Gamabunta's blood and gamabunta has no way of ever touching Hidan.

You're the one who started talking about Deva Path being tiers above Hidan when it's completely off topic, you just didn't get the point.

Where was it stated that RFS is the strongest wind jutsu we've seen so far? Common sense. No fuuton jutsu except RFS was shown to be more powerful than Atsugai.

Once again your argument is invalid because you're comparing two completely different characters, first of all Tsunade had the yin seal activated when she punched Madara, her punch was obviously way stronger, secondly, this happened in Shippuden and she is stronger than she was in part 1, thirdly, Tsunade was rusty and hadn't fought nor trained in years, her overall physical capability had decreased and finally you're comparing one of the most durable character to Madara who hasn't shown any durability feat. And no your paper bombs argument has already been refuted.

My point is that you were saying that an immortal man being durable isn't a common thing, that is what's wrong with your statement, a frog spitting water bullet isn't a common thing.

I'm not speculating anything, i proved Bunta's durability and Hidan's scythe damaging power.

Atsugai has shown nothing impressive besides range, i don't think that's all it takes to be considered the second best.

Since when does Byakugo makes her punches stronger? Its a bad example, here's one better:

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> Here is Sakura (god damn Sakura) after using an explosive paper on herself with enough power to blow away all the poison. Barely wounded. On the edos were only used one on each and their limbs got easily blown. Its so relative when we talk about a drawn manga, its just like scales.

But that actually happened and jutsus aren't strange because immortal or not everyone can use them (except Lee ~~). Being durable isn't the same as using a jutsu.

 

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I'm not speculating anything, i proved Bunta's durability and Hidan's scythe damaging power.

Atsugai has shown nothing impressive besides range, i don't think that's all it takes to be considered the second best.

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> Here is Sakura (god damn Sakura) after using an explosive paper on herself with enough power to blow away all the poison. Barely wounded. On the edos were only used one on each and their limbs got easily blown. Its so relative when we talk about a drawn manga, its just like scales.

But that actually happened and jutsus aren't strange because immortal or not everyone can use them (except Lee ~~). Being durable isn't the same as using a jutsu.

You didn't prove Bunta's durability you only said his skin was thick, for my part, it was never stated his scythe won't be able to damage bigger enemies, also his scythe's damaging power was already well proven since he was able to shatter the ground just by trailing it, look at the sides of the scythe, there were cracks. For better results he can just stab gamabunta with his retractable spear which will obviously pierce through Gamabunta and easily draw his blood.


What jutsus beside RFS has shown this much range and destructive power? It destroyed all the surrounding environment, so yes it is the 2nd strongest fuuton jutsu.

The paper bomb wasn't attached to her leg unlike Hashirama. Not comparable.

You missed the point entirely, its not about immortality being a strange thing its about an immortal man being durable which isnt strange whatsoever, its logical even.