Could Kakuzu and Hidan have done what Pain Could not?

[Zexion~]

How they easily can last 5 min Against a sage mode and survive two FRS ... In any case kakuzu could have his hearts Take the hit if its not dodgable .however im fairly sure that he can dodge one .. Hidan to. Nevermind just firing fire style at it would negate FRS a.d giant elemental jutsu's Take out narutos clones

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Sage Mode FRS is stronger than the regular one.

Anyway, 2 FRS thrown at the same time kill them both.

 

[Zexion~]

Sage Mode FRS is stronger than the regular one.

Anyway, 2 FRS thrown at the same time kill them both.

.... Fire style counters ,it Fire>Wind

 

[MickNerks]

This isnt that hard at all. Naruto wins pretty easily. Naruto uses rasenshuriken and it destroys them. Hidan becomes paralysed because of rasenshurkiens effects, and all of kakuzu's hearts are destroyed.

3 SM naruto's would easily stomp, and at the time naruto could make 2 clones sooo there is no way hidan and kakuzu could win. Hidan would not be able to hit SM Naruto because of his reflexs.

 

[RicardoA]

Reread the manga, no he didnt dodge it, the blade scratched Domu and made his head tilt

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Did Deidara use his strongest jutsu against the Sanbi? Did Deidara use his strongest jutsu against Gaara when he was still a jinchuriki? That answers your question.

Yes like I have already proved.

Its a world dominated by humans who uses all kind of summons,animals and monsters to fight alongside with them, once again, it was never specified what kind of enemy, the way he said enemy means any enemy unless they have some kind of armor to prevent the scythe from scratching the skin. Gamabunta's skin is clearly exposed and Hidan's scythe is more than hard enough to pierce through it it was hard enough to destroy a rocky ground and leave a trail behind just by running with it.

Nope, he just jumped and ran on Gamabunta and was just messing around with him. That, without even shinra tensei, just with basic ninja skills, Hidan can do it too, let alone that he's more agile and swift than Deva Path.

His skin turns darker when he uses it. When he was attacked its not noticeable but since Shikamaru remembered that moment when explaining the jutsu i guess it was active. However, how on earth did a normal blade scrathed Domu? The only thing it cutted was the clothes.

That's a variable of the A>B>C logic. Deidara isn't Kakuzu and Gaara isn't Nibi. Hellooo? Different abilities. How do we know Deidara soloed Sanbi with a C1 fish? Again, that fight was off-screen. You can't just assume he only attacked once because it was all you saw.

Not really, its just your assumption. The author never made any remarks about that through the characters. In that case i already 'proved' it too. When did we ever saw Kakuzu wounded other than when he was hit by FRS?

Bunta can deflect the scythe easily. His endurance should be proportional to his size. The scythe isn't supposed to inflict major wounds and is going to affect a giant toad? Seems unlikely. @bold: could you please provide a scan. I don't remember that, much less the ground. I need to analyse it.

He didn't took them out with agility and reflexes did he? Again, Hidan lacks firepower to counter Buntas wide attacks.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

.... Fire style counters ,it Fire>Wind

Show me a Rank S Katon Kakuzu has and we can talk.

Until then FRS fodderises them.

 

[Masked man]

Kakuzu and Hidan take this..

 

[Obito3631]

His skin turns darker when he uses it. When he was attacked its not noticeable but since Shikamaru remembered that moment when explaining the jutsu i guess it was active. However, how on earth did a normal blade scrathed Domu? The only thing it cutted was the clothes.

That's a variable of the A>B>C logic. Deidara isn't Kakuzu and Gaara isn't Nibi. Hellooo? Different abilities. How do we know Deidara soloed Sanbi with a C1 fish? Again, that fight was off-screen. You can't just assume he only attacked once because it was all you saw.

Not really, its just your assumption. The author never made any remarks about that through the characters. In that case i already 'proved' it too. When did we ever saw Kakuzu wounded other than when he was hit by FRS?

Bunta can deflect the scythe easily. His endurance should be proportional to his size. The scythe isn't supposed to inflict major wounds and is going to affect a giant toad? Seems unlikely. @bold: could you please provide a scan. I don't remember that, much less the ground. I need to analyse it.

He didn't took them out with agility and reflexes did he? Again, Hidan lacks firepower to counter Buntas wide attacks.

You can clearly see it also cut the side of his right eye.

Lmao you clearly don't get it, I thought my comparison was pretty straightforward, if he uses his most powerful ability then Yugito would have died = mission failed? Hellooooo?

Does Gamabunta wear an armor yes or no? Was anything said about his scythe not being able to wound summons? No it only said its purpose was to wound enemies regardless of their size, does that include Gamabunta? Yes. Was his scythe proven to be sturdy enough already? Clearly.

Just stop you've been proven wrong.

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Again you didn't get the point, taking out gamabunta isn't a problem for Hidan since the ritual would work, evading his attacks won't be a problem either since Deva Path was able to do it just with basic ninja skills and swiftness. Not to mention Hidan is immortal so he can't be harmed.

 

[RicardoA]

You can clearly see it also cut the side of his right eye.

Lmao you clearly don't get it, I thought my comparison was pretty straightforward, if he uses his most powerful ability then Yugito would have died = mission failed? Hellooooo?

Does Gamabunta wear an armor yes or no? Was anything said about his scythe not being able to wound summons? No it only said its purpose was to wound enemies regardless of their size, does that include Gamabunta? Yes. Was his scythe proven to be sturdy enough already? Clearly.

Just stop you've been proven wrong.

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Again you didn't get the point, taking out gamabunta isn't a problem for Hidan since the ritual would work, evading his attacks won't be a problem either since Deva Path was able to do it just with basic ninja skills and swiftness. Not to mention Hidan is immortal so he can't be harmed.

If Domu was active he wouldn't be hurt. Wether it was active or not, i don't remember ever seeing Kakuzu with a scratch in his face after that. Now i'm confused :|

Helloooo? =D Not necessarily. She was a mini Bijuu, that's not supposed to be something to take lightly either. You think its easy to hurt a Bijuu?

We can clearly see he doesn't U_U But there's a difference in size and strenght. Bunta's skin isn't the same as a normal shinobi's, its obviously thicker in proportion to his size. He's a giant frog not a average human. Being designed to and being able to are two different things. Evn if it was sturdy, what about the strenght to be able to pierce enough to get blood? If Hidan throws the scythe the chances are even worse @bold: NO U_U

The only thing cracking the floor is the various tips of the scythe, and its not even deep. That's not impressive, the most it was doing was releasing dust. Who says it was dragged? You can't tell if he's using force or not, which he probably is.

If he's running he isn't attacking. Bunta's hand > scythe, again, not enough firepower. @bold: immortal IS NOT THE SAME as invulnerable.

 

[Curse Mark]

Completely irrelevant, my point remains with Gaara as an example

If you understood the manga you would know that the victims body is linked with hidan's meaning any wounds inflicted to Hidan will damage the target as well, if he stabs his heart then Gamabunta's heart will be stabbed as well.

Proof of that? Gama's heart isn't in the same location as Hidan's. If hidan used this against kakuzu, would all of his hearts be stabbed?

 

[Zexion~]

Proof of that? Gama's heart isn't in the same location as Hidan's. If hidan used this against kakuzu, would all of his hearts be stabbed?

Yes it is Most likely Where you stab that is affected.. but there are other vital organs that hidan could stab that would affect Bunta .. Brain.. etc.

 

[Curse Mark]

Yes it is Most likely Where you stab that is affected.. but there are other vital organs that hidan could stab that would affect Bunta .. Brain.. etc.

Lmao. A hole that size in gama's brain would do nothing. It'd literally be like a fraction of a millimeter to us.

 

[Zexion~]

What makes you think his brain is any bigger or smaller? .. just because you have a bigger head does not mean you have a bigger brain it simply means your skull is more reinfocred which means nothing to hidans move

 

[Obito3631]

If Domu was active he wouldn't be hurt. Wether it was active or not, i don't remember ever seeing Kakuzu with a scratch in his face after that. Now i'm confused :|

Helloooo? =D Not necessarily. She was a mini Bijuu, that's not supposed to be something to take lightly either. You think its easy to hurt a Bijuu?

We can clearly see he doesn't U_U But there's a difference in size and strenght. Bunta's skin isn't the same as a normal shinobi's, its obviously thicker in proportion to his size. He's a giant frog not a average human. Being designed to and being able to are two different things. Evn if it was sturdy, what about the strenght to be able to pierce enough to get blood? If Hidan throws the scythe the chances are even worse @bold: NO U_U

The only thing cracking the floor is the various tips of the scythe, and its not even deep. That's not impressive, the most it was doing was releasing dust. Who says it was dragged? You can't tell if he's using force or not, which he probably is.

If he's running he isn't attacking. Bunta's hand > scythe, again, not enough firepower. @bold: immortal IS NOT THE SAME as invulnerable.

Then why did it appear in Shikamaru's flashbacks? It didn't hurt him it scratched Domu, also wounds heal you know, how come Hidan didnt have his burn scars when he fought Kakashi and Shikamaru?

Nibi is the second weakest Bijuu and Hidan is immortal, it was child play for him since Nibi had no way of killing him.

But can you prove it wouldnt be able to wound Gamabunta? I have already proved it would and you're just saying his skin is too thick with no evidences. Hidan would jump on his head and hit Gamabunta with his spear or scythe, what can gamabunta do here? He has 4 in strength in the databook, everything clearly shows he will be able to get his blood easily.

Are you blind? it cracked the ground around the trail and you see rocks flying in every way, just like a chidori does, you seem very desperate trying to contradict the manga itself.

How will gamabunta hit him if hes jumping around on his body? Gamabunta wasnt even able to land a hit on Deva Path, he just kept evading them and jumping on him, what tells you he will be able to touch Hidan, who is even more agile than Deva Path?

 

[RicardoA]

Then why did it appear in Shikamaru's flashbacks? It didn't hurt him it scratched Domu, also wounds heal you know, how come Hidan didnt have his burn scars when he fought Kakashi and Shikamaru?

Nibi is the second weakest Bijuu and Hidan is immortal, it was child play for him since Nibi had no way of killing him.

But can you prove it wouldnt be able to wound Gamabunta? I have already proved it would and you're just saying his skin is too thick with no evidences. Hidan would jump on his head and hit Gamabunta with his spear or scythe, what can gamabunta do here? He has 4 in strength in the databook, everything clearly shows he will be able to get his blood easily.

Are you blind? it cracked the ground around the trail and you see rocks flying in every way, just like a chidori does, you seem very desperate trying to contradict the manga itself.

How will gamabunta hit him if hes jumping around on his body? Gamabunta wasnt even able to land a hit on Deva Path, he just kept evading them and jumping on him, what tells you he will be able to touch Hidan, who is even more agile than Deva Path?

If he had Domu activated in the face then he wasn't scratched because its just a normal sword and that simply won't scratch him.

Hidan didn't soloed no one. Aren't you a Hidan know it all? You should know he doesn't need to be killed but can obviously be incapacitated. If that didn't happened was due to Kakuzu's presence. A child's play? Hidan is arguably the weakest Akatsuki and you say not only that he soloed a Bijuu as it was also a child's play? Hell no

I've kept saying a swing of Bunta's > Hidan swinging his 'teaspoon' at him but that was ignored. I'm not saying he's a Katsuyu in terms of endurance, only that its safe to assume that a giant has endurance proportionate to his size while the scyth is too small to pierce enough to draw blood when its not meant to do massive damage, again the talk about firepower -.- You proved the scythe can scratch a bit of the ground... big deal Bunta is massive and also has long range suiton, just to remember he can attack further way.

@bold: If i was i wouldn't be typing. You speak like the scythe was breaking the ground in two omg XD there're only two visible tiny pieces of rock, like... and i'm the blind one? Then you compare the scythe with the chidori... Chidori >>> Scythe.

Fine, just let them run around. Meanwhile SM Naruto appears and solos the duo. Not to mention he can have clones prepared to help Bunta before he enters his mouth. Bunta doesn't necessarily have to fight Hidan, remember that fighting agaisnt Naruto is fighting against many, although i don't see Hidan as a threat at all.

 

[Obito3631]

If he had Domu activated in the face then he wasn't scratched because its just a normal sword and that simply won't scratch him.

Hidan didn't soloed no one. Aren't you a Hidan know it all? You should know he doesn't need to be killed but can obviously be incapacitated. If that didn't happened was due to Kakuzu's presence. A child's play? Hidan is arguably the weakest Akatsuki and you say not only that he soloed a Bijuu as it was also a child's play? Hell no

I've kept saying a swing of Bunta's > Hidan swinging his 'teaspoon' at him but that was ignored. I'm not saying he's a Katsuyu in terms of endurance, only that its safe to assume that a giant has endurance proportionate to his size while the scyth is too small to pierce enough to draw blood when its not meant to do massive damage, again the talk about firepower -.- You proved the scythe can scratch a bit of the ground... big deal Bunta is massive and also has long range suiton, just to remember he can attack further way.

@bold: If i was i wouldn't be typing. You speak like the scythe was breaking the ground in two omg XD there're only two visible tiny pieces of rock, like... and i'm the blind one? Then you compare the scythe with the chidori... Chidori >>> Scythe.

Fine, just let them run around. Meanwhile SM Naruto appears and solos the duo. Not to mention he can have clones prepared to help Bunta before he enters his mouth. Bunta doesn't necessarily have to fight Hidan, remember that fighting agaisnt Naruto is fighting against many, although i don't see Hidan as a threat at all.

Again, it didnt scratch his face it scratched Domu, not the same.

He can be incapacitated if you successfully land a hit on him, good luck with that, especially when you're a frog that's the size of a mountain and can't hit anything. Hidan isn't the weakest akatsuki, zetsu and konan are below him. After his fight against Nibi he didn't seen exhausted or anything, did you see in what state Yugito was? Yes it was indeed child play.

No you're ignoring every single of my statements, I have already proved gamabunta isn't landing a hit on Hidan with his sword. Are you suggesting Gamabunta is going to stab himself since Hidan will be on top of him? That's not a very smart thing to do. He didn't just scratch the ground, he literally destroyed it, it's irrelevant since Hidan can just use his retractable spear and stab Gamabunta with it and get his blood don't even try to argue that it's not going to work.

The ground around was shattering, nothing else needs to be said, if it can shatter the ground it can also wound Gamabunta easily, but again you're assuming Gamabunta has some kind of armor that protects him against any damages, you have yet to prove his scythe wouldn't wound Gamabunta.


Naruto will be fighting Kakuzu, if he tries to interfere he will get blasted by his fire mask Are you saying Gamabunta will ignore Hidan? It will make it even easier for him to draw his blood, not a very good idea.

 

[Strict]

Naruto would beat them without significant difficulties. Naruto left outside before, the three boss summons would pose too much of a treat for them as they aren't just known as summons that only make use of their mass to go on rampage but also own speed, flexibility and versatility, hence they made a good figure against all of Pain's summons with a touch of acrobatics by trouncing them. Not including the Cerberus, which needs the defeat of the summoner but was nevertheless hauled over the coals by the toads, Pain's summons would have been by far be inferior. Including Fukasaku's and Shima's assistance additionally, there are not many opportunities left to Kakuzu and Hidan.

 

[Zexion~]

Naruto would beat them without significant difficulties. Naruto left outside before, the three boss summons would pose too much of a treat for them as they aren't just known as summons that only make use of their mass to go on rampage but also own speed, flexibility and versatility, hence they made a good figure against all of Pain's summons with a touch of acrobatics by trouncing them. Not including the Cerberus, which needs the defeat of the summoner but was nevertheless hauled over the coals by the toads, Pain's summons would have been by far be inferior. Including Fukasaku's and Shima's assistance additionally, there are not many opportunities left to Kakuzu and Hidan.

Well i thought this was during the time of invasion of pain when fusaku and shima could not merge with naruto.... So they would be taken out by a simple Wind jutsu ... And the summons Would have to deal with hidan ...

 

[Transcendence]

SM Naruto takes this. Hidan is taken down by Chief toad (Well incapacitated) and even if the toad is having trouble, Naruto goes into the mouth of the toad, goes into Sage Mode and FRS takes both of them out.

 

[RicardoA]

Again, it didnt scratch his face it scratched Domu, not the same.

He can be incapacitated if you successfully land a hit on him, good luck with that, especially when you're a frog that's the size of a mountain and can't hit anything. Hidan isn't the weakest akatsuki, zetsu and konan are below him. After his fight against Nibi he didn't seen exhausted or anything, did you see in what state Yugito was? Yes it was indeed child play.

No you're ignoring every single of my statements, I have already proved gamabunta isn't landing a hit on Hidan with his sword. Are you suggesting Gamabunta is going to stab himself since Hidan will be on top of him? That's not a very smart thing to do. He didn't just scratch the ground, he literally destroyed it, it's irrelevant since Hidan can just use his retractable spear and stab Gamabunta with it and get his blood don't even try to argue that it's not going to work.

The ground around was shattering, nothing else needs to be said, if it can shatter the ground it can also wound Gamabunta easily, but again you're assuming Gamabunta has some kind of armor that protects him against any damages, you have yet to prove his scythe wouldn't wound Gamabunta.


Naruto will be fighting Kakuzu, if he tries to interfere he will get blasted by his fire mask Are you saying Gamabunta will ignore Hidan? It will make it even easier for him to draw his blood, not a very good idea.

@bold: Domu can't be scratched by a normal sword or most physical attacks thus why Kakuzu was unimpaired after fighting the Nibi.

If they're gonna play cat and mouse then there's no ritual for anyone. Hidan isn't attacking effectively if he's running all the time. @bold: i said arguably.
Maybe she was under a curse which happens to be the strongest attack Hidan has, that's like mid-diff not a child play. Obviously Kakuzu helped.
OT: No matter what i say i know you like Hidan and for you he soloed Nibi even if the world told you otherwise.

Why would he try to stab such a little foe? Maybe squash him. @bold: Now you're hyperbolizing a detail to the point of trying to make it seem like a feat. It was just a trail and there were no rocks flying all over, nothing special.
The retractable spear isn't meant for battle only for Hidan to damage himself. If he charges with that he's an easier target.

@bold: this is shattering the ground >

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About Bunta (i managed to get proofs ):

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. He effortlessly smashed those relatively sharp rocks when pressing against the walls of that cliff AND tanked a Fuuton by a Bijuu (Fuutons are supposed to cut and there wasn't any blood around):

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Seems better than the 'teaspoon'

Naruto can prepare hundreds of clones beforehand to help Bunta. The clones would be even more effective against Hidan imo. Naruto has time to enter SM and defeat the duo.