Could Kakuzu and Hidan have done what Pain Could not?

[Obito3631]

The manga clearly shows he performed his jutsu on her but doesn't say anything about him soloing. How many times do i have to say this? Since you refuse to back up your claims:

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. Indeed he performed his technique on her but no reference to him doing it by himself.

Its designed to draw blood from humans, not giant frogs. I'm not assuming he can't, i said i doubt it, its just a possibility. Even if he draws the blood he still needs to form that circle to curse others. What if a giant frog is constantly on his tail? How is he going to do it when the ground is constantly being smashed?

The manga clearly shows that only Hidan was stained and wounded while Kakuzu was completely unimpaired, meaning Hidan truly soloed Nibi, whether you like it or not. Also few chapters earlier Hidan was facing Nibi by himself Kakuzu was not there which further proves my point.

Did you pull that out of your ass? manga proof that it's only designed to draw blood from humans? The manga says that its purpose is to wound the enemy, period.
Hidan always draw the circle at the beginning of fight which he will do, he just has to go back to his circle and Gamabunta is toast.

 

[Zexion~]

The thing is that Hidan's scythe isn't supposed to pierce and deliver devastating wounds, just make cuts no mather their size. Surely a summon the size of Bunta wouldn't have trouble pushing it back. Plus, can the scythe pierce enough to draw Bunta's blood?

I also want to add something to my argument.
I forgot to mention that base Naruto (pre SM) already killed Kakuzu, Hidan shouldn't be more difficult.

Actually quite the opposite his scythe is only meant for piercing .in a stabbing motion ...

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Also naruto took out Kakuzu due to pnj and he had minus two hearts ...... Besides base naruto was the one who finally took down deva .. could naruto beat pain? no

 

[KidGamer65]

The manga clearly shows he performed his jutsu on her but doesn't say anything about him soloing. How many times do i have to say this? Since you refuse to back up your claims:

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. Indeed he performed his technique on her but no reference to him doing it by himself.

Its designed to draw blood from humans, not giant frogs. I'm not assuming he can't, i said i doubt it, its just a possibility. Even if he draws the blood he still needs to form that circle to curse others. What if a giant frog is constantly on his tail? How is he going to do it when the ground is constantly being smashed?

We've already seen that Hidan's ritual doesn't take 30 minutes to complete, so he was most likely referring to the fight and the ritual. Unless you think the ritual takes 30 min despite being shown otherwise.

 

[RasenKirin]

Hidan and Kakuzu own. Without any SMC prepped, Naruto will never be able to enter Sage Mode. He won't be able to stand still and I'm pretty sure ANY of the Akatsuki could destroy the Summoning Toads... they literally take on Bijuu and Jinchuuriki all the time.

 

[Zexion~]

Shit i just saw it is capturing naruto .. that may be a bit harder hidan may be needed to disable some of narutos non vital organs/muscles

 

[RicardoA]

The manga clearly shows that only Hidan was stained and wounded while Kakuzu was completely unimpaired, meaning Hidan truly soloed Nibi, whether you like it or not. Also few chapters earlier Hidan was facing Nibi by himself Kakuzu was not there which further proves my point.

Did you pull that out of your ass? manga proof that it's only designed to draw blood from humans?
Hidan always draw the circle at the beginning of fight which he will do, he just has to go back to his circle and Gamabunta is toast.

@1stbold: Kakuzu's physical structure isn't normal. Domu probably endured the physical attacks and that guy's all wires. What was he suppose to have? He doesn't fight with the cloak on, obviously his cloak was fine and we couldn't see the clothes below.
@2ndbold:I don't have to like it. Actually its a good thing that Hidan survived his encouter with Nibi xd.
@3rdbold: Proves nothing. Offscreen is offscreen, we don't know how it happened only the results.
@4thbold: I don't pull things off my ass :| It can obviously be assumed that its designed for humans since normally in the narutoverse, shinobi kill other shinobi. Its not so common to fight Gamabunta. What's a scratch on a human to a giant frog? He wouldn't even feel it.
@5thbold: That's if he doesn't get stomped right in the beggining or if he can get Bunta's blood.
Either way he doesn't have to fight Hidan. This fight also involves Kakuzu and Naruto.

 

[Obito3631]

@1stbold: Kakuzu's physical structure isn't normal. Domu probably endured the physical attacks and that guy's all wires. What was he suppose to have? He doesn't fight with the cloak on, obviously his cloak was fine and we couldn't see the clothes below.
@2ndbold:I don't have to like it. Actually its a good thing that Hidan survived his encouter with Nibi xd.
@3rdbold: Proves nothing. Offscreen is offscreen, we don't know how it happened only the results.
@4thbold: I don't pull things off my ass :| It can obviously be assumed that its designed for humans since normally in the narutoverse, shinobi kill other shinobi. Its not so common to fight Gamabunta. What's a scratch on a human to a giant frog? He wouldn't even feel it.
@5thbold: That's if he doesn't get stomped right in the beggining or if he can get Bunta's blood.
Either way he doesn't have to fight Hidan. This fight also involves Kakuzu and Naruto.

Domu tanks attacks but Kakuzu can still get wounded

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Also Kakuzu doesn't always fight with his clothes off, only if he needs to use his masks.

Even if it happened off screen there are still hints that Hidan fought Nibi by himself.

No, the manga clearly states that its purpose is to wound the enemy, it doesn't say anything about what kind of enemy, this is a manga fact and you can't contradict it, unless you have some proof that Gamabunta possess some kind of armor that prevent him from bleeding.

No? This fight involve Hidan/Kakuzu and Naruto, if he tries to engage Kakuzu then Hidan will just pressure him in close range combat, why would he get stomped right at the beginning? Did Deva Path get stomped right at the beginning too when he fought Gamabunta? Not really.

 

[RicardoA]

Actually quite the opposite his scythe is only meant for piercing .in a stabbing motion ...

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Also naruto took out Kakuzu due to pnj and he had minus two hearts ...... Besides base naruto was the one who finally took down deva .. could naruto beat pain? no

We've already seen that Hidan's ritual doesn't take 30 minutes to complete, so he was most likely referring to the fight and the ritual. Unless you think the ritual takes 30 min despite being shown otherwise.

@zexion333: It can pierce sure but it's not its primary function. Like i said before Bunta can repel that, there's a physical gap which gives tremendous advantage to Bunta. He still had 3 hearts left yet 2 were destroyed and his body was left useless.

@KidGamer65: It doesn't take 30 min to complete but Hidan has to step out if he wants to take blood. Meanwhile the circle can get destroyed since Hidan will have to be there and Bunta will try to stomp or punch, erasing the circle in the process. All this IF he can get blood.

 

[Zexion~]

@zexion333: It can pierce sure but it's not its primary function. Like i said before Bunta can repel that, there's a physical gap which gives tremendous advantage to Bunta. He still had 3 hearts left yet 2 were destroyed and his body was left useless.

@KidGamer65: It doesn't take 30 min to complete but Hidan has to step out if he wants to take blood. Meanwhile the circle can get destroyed since Hidan will have to be there and Bunta will try to stomp or punch, erasing the circle in the process. All this IF he can get blood.

Gamabunta can still be slammed with elemental jutsu

 

[Penguin]

Kakazu and Hidan take this.

 

[RicardoA]

Domu tanks attacks but Kakuzu can still get wounded

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Also Kakuzu doesn't always fight with his clothes off, only if he needs to use his masks.

Even if it happened off screen there are still hints that Hidan fought Nibi by himself.

No, the manga clearly states that its purpose is to wound the enemy, it doesn't say anything about what kind of enemy, this is a manga fact and you can't contradict it, unless you have some proof that Gamabunta possess some kind of armor that prevent him from bleeding.

No? This fight involve Hidan/Kakuzu and Naruto, if he tries to engage Kakuzu then Hidan will just pressure him in close range combat, why would he get stomped right at the beginning? Did Deva Path get stomped right at the beginning too? Not really.

The scan you showed involves a surprise attack which caught Kakuzu off guard, but he still managed avoid it. His face wasn't under the influence of Domu, hence why he dodged. If his skin is hardened most physical attacks won't work.

He was face to face with a Jinchuuriki but wasn't going to use his best jutsu. How come?

No, just no U_U if he did the manga creator would have told us through the characters.

Why would a scythe the size of a barbie teaspoon (again, in comparison) with no enhanced piercing properties be made to fight a giant summon? That makes no sense. Its a world dominated by humans, i think its common sense that the weapon would be made to kill others. And no i've nothing except common sense to prove my point.

Because there's a difference in firepower which Hidan lacks (a lot). You're comparing Deva Path with Hidan that's an extremely bad example. Maybe he wasn't stomped because he actually had the power to defeat 3 giant toads at the same time.

 

[RicardoA]

Gamabunta can still be slammed with elemental jutsu

He will, i've no doubts about that. His only purpose is to make time and meanwhile defeat a mask or two or possibly Hidan.

 

[Obito3631]

The scan you showed involves a surprise attack which caught Kakuzu off guard, but he still managed avoid it. His face wasn't under the influence of Domu, hence why he dodged. If his skin is hardened most physical attacks won't work.

He was face to face with a Jinchuuriki but wasn't going to use his best jutsu. How come?

No U_U

Why would a scythe the size of a barbie teaspoon with no enhanced piercing properties be made to fight a giant summon? That makes no sense. Its a world dominated by humans, i think its common sense that the weapon would be made to kill others. And no i've nothing except common sense to prove my point.

Because there's a difference in firepower which Hidan lacks (a lot). You're comparing Deva Path with Hidan that's an extremely bad example. Maybe he wasn't stomped because he actually had the power to defeat 3 giant toads at the same time.

Reread the manga, no he didnt dodge it, the blade scratched Domu and made his head tilt

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Did Deidara use his strongest jutsu against the Sanbi? Did Deidara use his strongest jutsu against Gaara when he was still a jinchuriki? That answers your question.

Yes like I have already proved.

Its a world dominated by humans who uses all kind of summons,animals and monsters to fight alongside with them, once again, it was never specified what kind of enemy, the way he said enemy means any enemy unless they have some kind of armor to prevent the scythe from scratching the skin. Gamabunta's skin is clearly exposed and Hidan's scythe is more than hard enough to pierce through it it was hard enough to destroy a rocky ground and leave a trail behind just by running with it.

Nope, he just jumped and ran on Gamabunta and was just messing around with him. That, without even shinra tensei, just with basic ninja skills, Hidan can do it too, let alone that he's more agile and swift than Deva Path.

 

[Curse Mark]

Reread the manga, no he didnt dodge it, the blade scratched Domu and made his head tilt

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Did Deidara use his strongest jutsu against the Sanbi? Did Deidara use his strongest jutsu against Gaara when he was still a jinchuriki? That answers your question.

Yes like I have already proved.

Its a world dominated by humans who uses all kind of summons,animals and monsters to fight alongside with them, once again, it was never specified what kind of enemy, the way he said enemy means any enemy unless they have some kind of armor to prevent the scythe from scratching the skin. Gamabunta's skin is clearly exposed and Hidan's scythe is more than hard enough to pierce through it it was hard enough to destroy a rocky ground and leave a trail behind just by running with it.

Nope, he just jumped and ran on Gamabunta and was just messing around with him. That, without even shinra tensei, just with basic ninja skills, Hidan can do it too, let alone that he's more agile and swift than Deva Path.

The Deidara VS Sanbi fight occured off screen. Unless you think deidara soloed with a C1 fish.

Totally pointless comment.

If you understood the comment, it wouldn't seem pointless. A wound that could "kill" Hidan wouldn't do anything to Bunta. The attacks aren't relative to their size.

 

[Obito3631]

The Deidara VS Sanbi fight occured off screen. Unless you think deidara soloed with a C1 fish.

If you understood the comment, it wouldn't seem pointless. A wound that could "kill" Hidan wouldn't do anything to Bunta. The attacks aren't relative to their size.

Completely irrelevant, my point remains with Gaara as an example

If you understood the manga you would know that the victims body is linked with hidan's meaning any wounds inflicted to Hidan will damage the target as well, if he stabs his heart then Gamabunta's heart will be stabbed as well.

 

[Rike Senju]

SM Naruto and 5 toads including ma and pa take it.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Naruto would take this even if they were fighting to kill.

Hidan soloed Nibi you're telling me Gamabunta who is as big as a mountain and the easiest target to draw blood from could beat Hidan, very nice joke.

Kakuzu and Hidan takes this

Kakuzu wasn't just standing around. He helped.

That also wasn't a full Nibi. Compare the one Obito used and the one they fought. Massive diffrence.

 

[Cornson]

SM Naruto and 5 toads including ma and pa take it.

but's it's not SM Naruto and 5 toads + ma and pa vs Hidan and Kakuzu... Naruto is only allowed to summon Gamakichi, Gamatatsu and the Chief in this senario.

and It's naruto that starts alone on the battelfield vs Hidan and Kakuzu, Naruto can go in SM mode if he gets the oppertunity for doing that, but he starts without it, and there are no frongs just when the match starts, sure he can summon them strait away, but they won't stand there prior to the match starting.

 

[Edo Odin]

Hell naw. They don't have the juice to pull it off.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Naruto stomps.