Could Itachi have taken on Hiruzen?

[Kages]

Enma cannot break through a fully armored susanno. He barely got through wood. Then there's yata's mirror. You don't make sense...

Tsunade got through Susanoo. Diamond> or =Tsunade's strength. Even with Yata Mirror

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Itachi>hiruzen not a contest xd

 

[Omnipotent]

Fire Contract Seal or Enma turns into a cage and covers all sides so Itachi cant see Hiruzen. Diamond>Fire

"When they don't have prior knowledge on it", read man.

Amaterasu solos

Tsunade got through Susanoo. Diamond> or =Tsunade's strength. Even with Yata Mirror

Give me the manga scan where Enma was stated to be capable to get through Yata Mirror

 

[CommonSense]

Hmm considering the fact that the best itachi said he can do against jiraiya was a stalemate and Hiruzen was said to be the strongest i would say logically Hiruzen is stronger...

Well the funny thing is Itachi has too many weapons Hiruzen or Jiraiya can't counter

 

[Kages]

...Meaning you admit that his feat was far from 'God-like'.

There's no proof that they werent going all out on him. Enma stated that to tell Hiruzen that they are mindless zombies and not his teachers anymore. No to mention Hiruzen was 69.

 

[insid3rkil3r]

that wasn't a fight and that was a handicapped orochimaru who took desperate measures to get power, itachi just took advantage of the situation, now please lets not trun this into an oro vs itachi debate (i like both itachi and oro, actually i like itachi more). your question was can itachi take on hiruzen and my answer is still the same, itachi is not even close to hiruzen's level specially when you talk about hiruzen's prime (he would humiliate itachi sooooo bad in his prime)

You're basing things on hype alone... and yet you make it seem like it's so crystal clear and that you have proof provided to back your statement, yet you have nothing.

Orochimaru said it himself ; the Itachi that he has faced back then is stronger than him even now.... and yet Itachi had 5 years to get stronger... the gap may be even bigger than it was.

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No matter how you want to look at it, no matter how the fight turned out... Itachi is according to Orochimaru stronger than him, that is it.


Now then, Old Hiruzen had to take extreme mesure in order to ''LOOSE'' with Orochimaru, he died in the process. Sure Sarutobi was strong.... but he did loose to Orochimaru,

Which makes Orochimaru stronger than him.... yet Orochimaru even with everything he has/had to disposal considers that Itachi is superior to him.

Itachi is stronger than the Orochimaru who was stronger than old Sarutobi.


Itachi is no match to old Hiruzen??? Bullshit.

Given the fight that he gave, Itachi would without a doubt win against Sarutobi, the best Hiruzen could hope for is a tie by commiting suicide using the Death,s god... that is all.

Now... Prime Hiruzen.... what exactly is prime Hiruzen? It's nothing more than a Hiruzen with perhaps more speed and chakra.... he doesnt become superman.

Tsuchikage is old as ****, yet his experience payed off in the end.... he may have gotten weaker here and there... but he got stronger somewhere else.


Itachi rapes old Hiruzen,

And i dont see why he wouldnt defeat prime Hiruzen either.


Current Madara is a god, he could wipe armys and kages all alone.... had Hiruzen been on such level, other villages would have been at Konoha's mercy long ago. Prime Hiruzen's hype is disgusting sadly.... I love the old man but people are making him out to be something that he just isnt,

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi rapestomps Hiruzen, only a fanboy would think that Hiruzen wins this.

 

[Kages]

"When they don't have prior knowledge on it", read man.

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Give me the manga scan where Enma was stated to be capable to get through Yata Mirror

I would think Hiruzen knows an MS when he sees one. He knows MS is capable of doing Amaterasu

 

[Shikamaru1994]

Tsunade got through Susanoo. Diamond> or =Tsunade's strength. Even with Yata Mirror

tsunade got through a BONE level susanno. Yata's mirror would not be broken by enma. No matter what you try to pull. And the ABC logic before does work because in 99% of all top 3s, you see madara and hashirama, not hiruzen. The 1% is reserved to fanboys like you who pretend to know things. Please. If Hashirama won against madara, who would CLEARLY, COMPLETELY, UTTERLY destroy hiruzen, then there is no way that a NON EDO CONTROLLED MINDLESS ZOMBIE would lose to him.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Enma cannot break through a fully armored susanno. He barely got through wood. Then there's yata's mirror. You don't make sense...

i was joking, did you actually think i was describing the fight hehe lol. now i don't go to details in fights i simply look at both characters and their statues, where they stand in the story and statements around them that describe their power. sorry but itachi is nothing compared to hiruzen, he is not even close (hiruzen has got a superior battle mentality), and if you talk about yata mirror or then sorry itachi would be dum if he think of using susanoo for long (his chakra is garbage). hiruzen in his prime would EAT itachi and that is not debatable, and in my personal opinion and i think its obvious even the old hiruzen would kill itachi.

 

[insid3rkil3r]

Tsunada got through a mere pair of ribs.....

Power up that Susano up to it's Armor form and give it Yata's mirror.... the only thing that Tsunada would break is her arm...

 

[OnPoint]

There's no proof that they werent going all out on him. Enma stated that to tell Hiruzen that they are mindless zombies and not his teachers anymore. No to mention Hiruzen was 69.

Mindless zombies are obviously not going to be as effective as the originals who retain a unique fighting style. No proof that they weren't going all out? They were toying with him [

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I feel that anyone believing that a 69 year old Hiruzen could actually win in a legitimate fight against the man who fought and defeated EMS Madara (with his Perfect Susano'o) & his Hokage-worthy brother should just log off, never to return.

 

[Kages]

tsunade got through a BONE level susanno. Yata's mirror would not be broken by enma. No matter what you try to pull. And the ABC logic before does work because in 99% of all top 3s, you see madara and hashirama, not hiruzen. The 1% is reserved to fanboys like you who pretend to know things. Please. If Hashirama won against madara, who would CLEARLY, COMPLETELY, UTTERLY destroy hiruzen, then there is no way that a NON EDO CONTROLLED MINDLESS ZOMBIE would lose to him.

Most people on here are Hashirama fanboys, explaining the top 3 thing

 

[Omnipotent]

I would think Hiruzen knows an MS when he sees one. He knows MS is capable of doing Amaterasu

So you're just using assumptions. Nice.

Give me the manga scan where Enma was stated to be capable to get through Yata Mirror

Show me where Madara uses amaterasu. Or Izuna. Or Shisui. Because only Itachi and Sasuke have been shown to use amaterasu.

Furthermore, does Hiruzen carry scrolls with him like Jiraiya does? No, so the fire contract seal is out of question

 

[Paintry4]

If i'd tell like that then it'd be like hyped ... So hiruzen was much dangerous.

 

[insid3rkil3r]

i was joking, did you actually think i was describing the fight hehe lol. now i don't go to details in fights i simply look at both characters and their statues, where they stand in the story and statements around them that describe their power. sorry but itachi is nothing compared to hiruzen, he is not even close (hiruzen has got a superior battle mentality), and if you talk about yata mirror or then sorry itachi would be dum if he think of using susanoo for long (his chakra is garbage). hiruzen in his prime would EAT itachi and that is not debatable, and in my personal opinion and i think its obvious even the old hiruzen would kill itachi.

His chakra is garbage? Go take a deep look at his fight with Sasuke, while he was dying sick already,

Here is what he has done

Genjutsu(s)
Crow clone
Tsukuyomi
Katon Fireball
Katon Fireball
Amaterasu 1
Amaterasu 2
Released Amaterasu
Susano 1 (tanked Kirin)
Susano 2 (Spawned it again when he stood up)
Sealed an Amaterasu inside Sasuke


Old Hiruzen would get ****ed so bad it's rediculous... the man was dying from creating two freaking clones and spitting fire and earth.

 

[Shikamaru1994]

i was joking, did you actually think i was describing the fight hehe lol. now i don't go to details in fights i simply look at both characters and their statues, where they stand in the story and statements around them that describe their power. sorry but itachi is nothing compared to hiruzen, he is not even close (hiruzen has got a superior battle mentality), and if you talk about yata mirror or then sorry itachi would be dum if he think of using susanoo for long (his chakra is garbage). hiruzen in his prime would EAT itachi and that is not debatable, and in my personal opinion and i think its obvious even the old hiruzen would kill itachi.

Susanno acts as the unbreakable defense. You agree with this. Since yata's mirror cannot be destroyed. Izanami completely rapes hiruzen. No eye contact required. Done. There is no way that Hiruzen, who can't touch itachi while he is in susanoo, can beat Itachi, the best genjutsu user (on par with shisui) in the entire Narutoverse.

 

[PrimeOfTheSixPaths]

I don't think some of you understand that if it's a one on one, of course someone is going to "solo" the other >.>

 

[Kages]

Mindless zombies are obviously not going to be as effective as the originals who retain a unique fighting style. No proof that they weren't going all out? They were toying with him [

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I feel that anyone believing that a 69 year old Hiruzen could actually win in a legitimate fight against the man who fought and defeated EMS Madara (with his Perfect Susano'o) & his Hokage-worthy brother should just log off, never to return.

Nagato was just as strong as he was, if not, stronger. Being an Edo gives you an advantage. Instant regeneration and unlimited chakra. Hmmmm

 

[Omnipotent]

I don't think some of you understand that if it's a one on one, of course someone is going to "solo" the other >.>

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