Could Hiruzen have been displayed as stronger if.......

[moist]

FTG is too advanced for Hiruzen to copy.

Minato there would of stomped Hiruzen..he was having trouble facing them with just the trio (oroch/tobir/hashi

 

[MickNerks]

Now Hiruzen can copy stuff? Lol Not even Sharingan users copied Tobirama or Minato ._.

OT: Minato would have been nerfed like hell and everyone would still have their power levels adjusted to create a somewhat balanced match.
In other words, no. It would be the same stuff but with more panels.
Why do you claim readers have a hard time accepting him as the GoS?

Im not even gonna waste my time with gathering all the scans of hiruzen using other people's jutsu.

Hiruzen knows all the jutsu in the leaf excluding KKG's.

He has already replicated the Death Reaper Seal (after only seeing it once)
He duplicated Garururu's 5 elemental stream after seeing the hand seal

So yes hiruzen can copy jutsu without a sharingan.


And even if they nerf minato, they cant nerf FTG. Its a technique that hiruzen still had to deal with.

 

[MickNerks]

FTG is too advanced for Hiruzen to copy.

Minato there would of stomped Hiruzen..he was having trouble facing them with just the trio (oroch/tobir/hashi

The same could be said about Death Reaper seal yet hiruzen copied it after seeing it once. And Minato's BG's were able to replicate FTG. And Minato copied it from Tobirama. So it cant be to complicated for hiruzen to know.

And this isnt saying that hiruzen could just copy it, it would also give hiruzen a oppurtunity to display how he could counter it.

 

[Ambivalence]

Without PnJ, he would have just died earlier.

Knowing Kishimoto though, Hiruzen would somehow last long enough and beat all 3 of them + seal Orochimaru's arms. So, i agree, it would have been good for his character, 'specially considering how one of the Databooks says he knows all of Konoha's jutsu, which just seems like fairy-tail talk now.

 

[RicardoA]

Im not even gonna waste my time with gathering all the scans of hiruzen using other people's jutsu.

Hiruzen knows all the jutsu in the leaf excluding KKG's.

And what does "every jutsu in the leaf" stand for? The vast majority is probably just a bunch of elemental jutsus. That matters as much as Kakashi's 1000 copied material which only serves to hype a character's skill.
We'll never get to see Hiruzen performing a Ino-Shika-Cho combo because those skills are exclusive to certain families. Same goes for FTG which isn't the random jutsu any fodder Chunin pulls off.
When Oro mentioned that he most likely meant everything that anyone in Konoha can learn according to their level, jutsus developed by and for the random Konoha shinobi (even Hiruzen himself invented his own jutsu) that don't belong to remarkable and specialized families.
But only Hiruzen could learn everything and perform all those jutsus with the utmost efficiency. That's where his genius lies.

He has already replicated the Death Reaper Seal (after only seeing it once)
He duplicated Garururu's 5 elemental stream after seeing the hand seal

So yes hiruzen can copy jutsu without a sharingan.

He had time to learn about RDS after seeing it. Minato learned it somehow and it wasn't because someone performed it for him.

He already knew how to perform the five elements and he simply shot them in large quantities.

Lol for real? I repeat, not even Sharingan users copied exclusive stuff like FTG. Now Hiruzen's eyes > Sharingan?
Are you serious or are you trolling? >_> I never know with other Hiruzen fans.

And even if they nerf minato, they cant nerf FTG. Its a technique that hiruzen still had to deal with.

Well, Kishi kept Minato in his grave for a reason.
Tobirama also used FTG and he never showcased it against Hiruzen. In fact, he was renowed for his speed, not for his Suiton (like we were led to believe earlier).
Edo Minato would've probably attacked with his unkown chakra nature or Rasengan, but definitely not with FTG.

Anyway, i gave my input, but you didn't answer my last question: "Why do you claim readers have a hard time accepting him as the GoS?".

 

[Koha]

This is under the circumstances that Minato was able to be summoned.

Well, he'd be able to still defeat all three. As intended ;o

 

[N1nken]

FTG is too advanced for Hiruzen to copy.

Minato there would of stomped Hiruzen..he was having trouble facing them with just the trio (oroch/tobir/hashi

What's this "too advanced" nonsense? Hiraishin is literally a reverse summoning technique that, with the added benefit of kunai, allows Minato to summon himself in various locations on the battlefield.

OT: Even with the addition of Minato, Kishi would probably have had the same
End result: The Hokages + Orochimaru's getting sealed. Only this one he would have had to come up with some ridiculous counter to Hiraishin for Hiruzen.

 

[Sirius Black]

he already is along with itachi minato . ones who don't need asspulls

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

It was already stated his one of the top class shinobis

His battle against Orochimaru: He could've succeeded in sealing Orochimaru along with the two kages if he was 10 years younger [Acknowledged by Orochimaru himself] - Of course at that time the kages weren't resurrected near their full power

It was already an achievement [He managed to prolong Orochimarus plans to capture Sasuke as well]

would it have shown him as being the Shinobi God that most people have a hard time accepting him as.

OT : Nope, some will still deny the fact .​

 

[KisuneUchiha]

If he showed a counter to FTG then that would be BS and a lot of people would claim it was only because Hiruzen needed to deal some kind of damage in the end. Also, who is to say that Minato would even use FTG, did Tobirama use FTG?

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Im not even gonna waste my time with gathering all the scans of hiruzen using other people's jutsu.

Hiruzen knows all the jutsu in the leaf excluding KKG's.

He has already replicated the Death Reaper Seal (after only seeing it once)
He duplicated Garururu's 5 elemental stream after seeing the hand seal

So yes hiruzen can copy jutsu without a sharingan.


And even if they nerf minato, they cant nerf FTG. Its a technique that hiruzen still had to deal with.

He was taught RDS by Minato

The Guruguru didn't use hand seals lmao, he just knew the jutsu and used the same one to counter it lmao you must have short term memory