Could Hiruzen have been displayed as stronger if.......

[MickNerks]

Please do not troll this thread, this is a serious Discussion.

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In his battle with Orochimaru, if orochimaru would have successfully summoned Hashirama, tobirama, Minato and Hiruzen still pulled off the victory, would that have displayed hiruzen as being stronger than what he is precieved now.

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He already has shown mokuton and suiton counters, but if he would have also shown counters to FTG or copied FTG himself, would it have shown him as being the Shinobi God that most people have a hard time accepting him as.

 

[Mellow]

he would've died earlier

 

[Tsunade123]

He's already perceived as strong the only non fodder in the series including minato and kushina they died a rightful death protecting their son

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

He didnt counter Mokuton he simply broke out of it with Enma staff, and that was like 1% Hashirama and Tobirama.... You saw how long it took and how small Hashirama's Mokuton was?

But yeah he would be considered stronger of course than people seeing Hiruzen now if he also beat 1% Minato

 

[MickNerks]

he would've died earlier

The thread says if he was still victorious.

Please dont troll..

 

[ministerC4]

The hokage in part1 looked like fodder, they looked like young Naruto could have pulled out clones and soloed them.
1st Hokage looked like crap during that part and he was the best.
The 4th wouldn't change my view.

 

[Lord Tywin]

he would have been rofl stomped by minato, who was said to be stronger than orochimaru, who hiruzen admitted inferiority to

 

[FirstPlace]

Orochimaru wasn't using the Edo bodies to their full power.

 

[Hyphen]

They would still claim that the edo Hokages were nerfed.

 

[Vega]

Even if he did then some people would still whine and complain and use fake numbers to try and downgrade the feat.

 

[MickNerks]

He didnt counter Mokuton he simply broke out of it with Enma staff, and that was like 1% Hashirama and Tobirama.... You saw how long it took and how small Hashirama's Mokuton was?

But yeah he would be considered stronger of course if he also beat 1% Minato

Enma has been countering all Mokuton and God Tree techniques in the series.

The countering there techniques is what im mostly focusing on. Hiruzen was in a weakened state also.

he would have been rofl stomped by minato, who was said to be stronger than orochimaru, who hiruzen admitted inferiority to

The OT states if he still pulled out a win, most likely due to kishimoto elaborating more on his abilities. Please answer based off condition of him winning.

Orochimaru wasn't using the Edo bodies to their full power.

That has nothing to do with the OT. Im asking if minato was added and hiruzen also showed counter to FTG, would he be percieved as stronger

 

[ministerC4]

They would still claim that the edo Hokages were nerfed.

Sounds like your denying it?

Orochimaru wasn't using the Edo bodies to their full power.

Exactly, they were so nerfed that whenever I do return to even read/watch it I don't even care when I interrupt it.
Hell it's so boring that when I do re-watch it I'd actually shut the laptop down, then grab a book.
*Twilight*

he would have been rofl stomped by minato, who was said to be stronger than orochimaru, who hiruzen admitted inferiority to

And we seen the power of the 1st Hokage under Oro's edo.
The 2nd was shit under it too.
The 4th would be no different.

 

[FirstPlace]

That has nothing to do with the OT. Im asking if minato was added and hiruzen also showed counter to FTG, would he be percieved as stronger

What counter does Hiruzen have for FTG?

 

[Gokuy]

hiruzen would win anyways but it would be more'difficult. the orochimaru didnt have full control of te edo and he could seal them.

 

[MickNerks]

What counter does Hiruzen have for FTG?

Kishi would have had to create one or have Hiruzen duplicate FTG in order to further the plot, kishi couldnt have allowed hiruzen to lose so he would have showed more techniques from hiruzen or more feats to have him battle with the 3 previous kage.

 

[Koha]

Orochimaru wouldn't be able to summon Minato anyways..
His soul was in a different plane of existence that wasn't in the "Pure World",
he was trapped within the belly of the Reaper..... Which adds to why none of the
Hokage were able to be summoned through Impure World Resurrection.

 

[ministerC4]

Kishi would have had to create one or have Hiruzen duplicate FTG in order to further the plot, kishi couldnt have allowed hiruzen to lose so he would have showed more techniques from hiruzen or more feats to have him battle with the 3 previous kage.

Ah, now I catch your drift.
Then sure, the 3rd probably knows the book of the hidden leaf's justu like the back of his hands.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

What Hiruzen did is what few could have done mentally and Physically on a old man

Fighting his Student which he thought could be his successor whom he loved
A very old man keeping up with Edo Kages nd High Tier Shinobis
Fighting his Mentors

Edo Isnt only for there Power its suppose to strike you mentally fighting people you cared for and ect

 

[RicardoA]

Now Hiruzen can copy stuff? Lol Not even Sharingan users copied Tobirama or Minato ._.

OT: Minato would have been nerfed like hell and everyone would still have their power levels adjusted to create a somewhat balanced match.
In other words, no. It would be the same stuff but with more panels.
Why do you claim readers have a hard time accepting him as the GoS?

 

[MickNerks]

Orochimaru wouldn't be able to summon Minato anyways..
His soul was in a different plane of existence that wasn't in the "Pure World",
he was trapped within the belly of the Reaper..... Which adds to why none of the
Hokage were able to be summoned through Impure World Resurrection.

This is under the circumstances that Minato was able to be summoned.